Welcome to Ear Biscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Link and I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of Dim Lighting, we’d like to start with a story. We had something happen to us that we think would be worth communicating to all of you. Oh my gosh. We had something. I I, you had something happen to you and I was there for it is my perspective. And, uh, I, whatever glory we can get from this celebrity encounter, I’m all for it. Okay, because this is, this is like, this is like, this is the best to top man. This is the best one so far. For me. I mean, I Well just tell tell the story. Tell the story. Okay. So we were, uh, we attended South by Southwest Festival. Mm-hmm. Um, it takes place in Austin, Texas every year. It’s film, it’s music, it’s tv, it’s panels and podcast. If you’re us, it’s comedy. It’s a little bit of everything. It’s the place to be. Mm-hmm. If you’re us. So we were there for just a couple of days, mostly doing, like I said, panels and podcasts about how people should care about what we do on YouTube. Yeah. We spent a lot of time talking about what people should care about what we do. Yeah. ’cause somebody has to, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. You gotta be your, you gotta be your own advocate, right. You gotta advocate for yourself, as I tell my kids. Right. It, it, it applies in healthcare and it also applies in, uh, entertainment if you’re an entertainer. Now, we did have, um, like a, a near miss with Elmo and, uh, I might want to unpack that too. I would love to talk about that, but we’ll do that second. So we are, because I’m a bit afraid of the ramifications of my actions there, I, I’m feeling a sense of regret. Well, I will say that and we’ll talk about that. That’s building. Yes. There’s some stuff building for you. So, oh, crap. We are in the lobby of the hotel where we were staying. It was the proper shout out to the proper. I’m always a fan of the proper, it’s a, you know, a shout out to Kelly Worler. Kelly Worler. K. Kelly Wesler. I don’t know if you’re a fan. Uh, thank you for decorating the proper with all of your seats that are so fun to sit in. We are such a fan. So hard to get out of such. Now, I will say I’m a huge fan of yours. Uh, I was introduced to you by my wife, who is also an interior designer, and she, she’s better than you. She really, really, she really, no, she’s not. She really loves your work, and we’d love to stay at proper hotels. Santa Monica proper is one, is me and Christie’s. That’s one of our go-to spots. Yes, that’s where we saw the rich beats years ago. Remember, we took a whole trip just to San Francisco, my wife and I, just to stay there just because she likes it so much. And so the one in Austin outside, I’m gonna out proper you. Oh, yeah, yeah. We, you can try. I’ve been to the one downtown a couple of times too. Um, so we were there, we were in the lobby getting ready to do something. In a conversation with some other people that we were with. It was a bustling lobby. We were right at the front. There’s a lot going on, and I see one Pedro Pascal come out of the elevator with a group of people and know I did not see this. And I, and I’m not usually the guy who will say something to someone. If someone wants to say something to me, then okay. But as he passes, like I said, I did not see him behind us and directly behind me. Just as he is passing behind us. I hear in the voice of Pedro Pascal, oh, I love that guy. Now, when I first heard this, I did not. I, I am not, you know, I’m only a little narcissistic. I’m not a lot narcissistic. I’m just enough narcissistic. Sometimes a little goes a long way to be a YouTuber who will advocate for himself on panels at South by Southwest. There you go. So I didn’t immediately think this was directed at me or you. There’s many people in the lobby. I just happened to hear it. Yeah. As he passed by, secretly hoped he was talking about me. But he just goes out the door, he seconds later, comes back in the door, comes directly up to yours, truly extends his hand. And in the moment that he extends his hand, he sees that you are also there. And he says, oh, I love you guys. Okay guys. And then he said, and that was the moment that I saw him for the first time. And I was like, well, crap. Here’s rep meeting. Pedro Pascal, I’m only putting my hand out. He did shake it and then he said, I’m late to the party. But I just wanted you to know that. I’m into what you do, something like that. And then I think I said, thank you, Pedro. And of course he was in, in a hurry. He was in a hurry, and then he walked out. Now my version of this story is I’m just having a conversation in the lobby with Rut and somebody else. Um, and then all of a sudden I look up and ruts shaking hands with Pedro Pascal. So I get in on that action. I didn’t hear him say any of the stuff that he said. Uh, and, but then you told me, he said, I’m late to the party. But then my understanding is right after he said, I’m late to the party, then he left because I think he was just late for a party. I don’t think he was like late to the mythical party where he was the last person to find out about us. I, okay. Can I tell you? I, I would certainly love to believe that. No. How? Okay, listen, here’s how I took it. This. I’m taking this to my grave until Pedro tells me otherwise. He was like, I’m late to the party. Which meant I know you guys have been doing this for a long time, but I recently just found out and I’m late to the party. Yeah. But I like what you do as opposed to I’m rushing to a party, but I went outta my way to come back in and say hello to you. It was like 10:30 AM which is still good. By the way. Who parties at 10:30 AM Pedro Pascal? Maybe. Maybe it was a panel. You have some fuzz on the left side of your face. You got it. Okay. Well thank you for that. The other thing is, I think that he only knew you because he saw a TikTok come across his feed. I’m looking this where you, it was a clip of GMMI think where you, I’m looking it up. You were talking about, I mean, we can cut to a clip of it, but the best I can remember we’re look at it right now. You were talking about. Pedro is a good looking man. Good en, maybe good enough to make, if you were gay to, I don’t know if you were insinuating something like that. You’re basically saying I’m a straight man, but that Pedro Pascal something. Oh, I know what it is. He doesn’t like you because of this. I mean, yeah. I just hadn’t really thought about it. Yeah. Right. Yeah. What, okay, well, look at me. Pedro Pedro’s hot. You don’t think so? Yeah. You don’t think Pedro Pascal’s hot? Is that what you’re about to put on the internet? Yeah. I’m attracted to a sense of humor. Oh, we looking at the same person? Is that what I said? I, I mean, yeah. I just hadn’t really thought about it, but yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah, I just, you know, and so I didn’t wanna be gay baited. What? Listen, wasn’t that the point? I’m not gay. You weren’t asking was he attractive? You were asking was he hot? Hot means I am attracted to Pedro Pascal. No. If I say I am not attracted to, to Pedro Pascal, if I say a man, I’m attractive. That means that I recognize that he, I thought you said he was hot. Not attractive. Okay, hot, whatever. There’s a difference in my mind. I, I, yes, Pedro Pascal is attractive, but he’s not hot. Oh, okay. If a woman, I’m just, if a woman, listen, you put me on the spot. If I, if I met Pedro Pascal, he left. A woman came up and was like, who are you just talking to? Oh, a man named Pedro. And she was like, was he hot? I would be like, yes. Because what she’s asking is, would I think he was hot? And so I’m like, yes. Does that mean that I want to have sex with him? No, I’m not gay. To me, that’s what attractive is. That’s when I use the word attractive. I reserve the word hot for somebody that I want to get hot with. That’s just what hot means to me. Well, the, the long and short of it. Didn’t you say hot? You didn’t say hot. I hope you did. ’cause I’m, my whole argument is hinging on that. You’ve embarrassed yourself on the internet in front of Pedro. I love Pedro Pesco. Pedro Pedro’s hot. I say hot. Yeah. I said Pedro’s hot. I’ll say it again. Pedro’s hot. I said it again. I, I, you know what I’ll say, Pedro is attractive. He’s an attractive man. Okay. Well, you said you were attracted to his personality. And I’m also attracted to his personality. Now that I’ve met him, he loves me. And, and this is why I didn’t think he knew who I was, but now I’m finding out he just doesn’t like you. He doesn’t, he he knows who you are. He probably doesn’t, he’s not attracted to me. Pedro, if you’re watching, um, I love you too. And, uh, I hope that this blossoms into a wonderful friendship. And we don’t have to, you don’t have to be friends with both of us. That’s, I mean, a lot of people assume that, but Link prides himself on having, being friends with people that are not friends with me. It is like a point of pride. Okay. So I don’t even know why you would say that, so I It’s true, but I don’t know why you knew it. Well, because when you talk about it and you say things, things like my friends. Yeah. I didn’t know it. You put an emphasis on my, I didn’t know you picked up on that. Everybody notices it. Yeah. So, Joe, it’s true. I just didn’t know it. Uh, if you wanna be my friend, I’ve got openings and not that kind of opening. What, do you know what I’m saying? Pedro, I’m, I was delighted to see you because you are an amazing person, whether you’re good looking or not, and you are. Beside the point, you’re an amazing person that I think does awesome work. And I think all that too. It’s more than skin deep for me. You’re implying that it’s only skin deep for me. Well, that’s all you talked about. I am an incredible fan of his body of work, not just his body. Okay. Right. And I’m just, I’m a fan of your body work and I respect your body. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, I can tell that you work out your body, but I’m mostly a fan of your body of work. I’m a fan of your fashion. Yeah. Since he’s an icon, I’m a fan of your, now you seem desperate. No, I’m just being honest. I’m not. Well, I mean, it’s saying we should stop talking about it now. I’m just a fan of your, um, just the way that you are. You and you’re, and you seem to be a very kind. Person. Very kind. I will say that. I like that. I mean, I was very happy with the way he was said. I, the fact that you went outta your way to come back in to tell Rhett that whatever you said to him that I didn’t hear, I love you. That’s what he said. And then that you also shook my hand and gave me a gentle look, was more than I could ever have asked for. So I’m sorry if I’ve given you the impression that there’s anything negative, uh, there’s nothing negative, uh, in my mind, heart, or soul about you. Um, it’s all positive. Um, but I, it is not sexual. Okay. And I think, I’m sure you’re fine with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I’m sure you’re fine with that. You really, you literally went outta your way. Yeah. Yeah. I think we’ve cleared it up and, um, our egos needed that. Uh, and you, I think you knew that Retz did a little bit more. Yeah. And you were late for a party. Yeah, and we immediately took the story. I will say, ’cause this is a great segue into the next story. We, we were being interviewed, and I don’t know if this interview has come out. I, I think that they probably chose not to release it based on links behavior, but we’ll talk about that in one moment. We were being, uh, interviewed by the south by Southwest Studio and, oh, is that who it was? And it was, they called it the studio interview and they asked the question, when did you essentially the, when did you know that you had made it question. Phrased slightly differently than that. I can’t remember. Yeah, and I, and I said, well, actually it was just, it was just within the past hour or so when Pedro Pascal, when Pedro Pascal came up to, went out of his way to talk to you. Now here’s the thing. That’s when you knew you made it. And that’s not fault. If you’re another celebrity out there who happens to occasionally watch what we do, and you’re watching this, I just want you to know that we typically don’t just divulge every celebrity encounter. I feel bad for Pedro at this. He is regretting saying anything to either one of us at this point. Yeah. We’ve blown any chance because I’ve talked about it so, so many times. He’s never gonna be our friend now. Yeah. Yeah. It’s like, listen, I, we get we’re, you know, those guys? Yeah. We made it transactional. I went, I once went up to them and it was the only thing they would talk about after that. And they made it. Sorry. And they made an entire podcast about it. I mean, well, the whole podcast is not gonna be about Pedro. Well, we ain’t done No, you’re right about that. Something tells me that you gonna keep going back to it, but I’m gonna hear this story forever. Also, can, before we finish the interview story, okay. No, you can, I tell the Leon, I’m gonna tell the, I’ll, I’ll book in with the Leon Bridges story. We’ll come back to Leon. Let’s finish the interview story because we, we have something for Leon Bridges too. I need to hear, I need to, we have not talked about this interview. Yeah. And you seem to be like you didn’t understand what was happening. The regret is growing, but I also still am confused, so I don’t, and I don’t really understand, so I’ll explain how I was confused after you explain what actually happened. Well there, there is a phenomenon that happens with you that I think it would be good for you to hear it from another person. Uh, and that is. You’re often present for a conversation where details are being shared and everyone, including me assumes that you are hearing and processing the details. But then I’m not, moments later it is revealed that you were definitely not listening. Do you know why? Uh, probably because you have a DHD, but it’s cool. No, no. It’s because people tell us so much stuff and most of it isn’t actionable. I’m just being real. We’re gonna do an interview. They’re gonna ask you questions about yourself. You’re gonna have to talk about yourself again. Like, okay, we’re doing another one of those now. There was something different about this interview that I did hear. Yeah. And that was that. It was going to be with the Cookie Monster and Elmo. That’s all I needed to hear. We’re gonna be interviewed by Elmo and Cookie Monster. We’ve met Cookie Monster. Never met Elmo. I’m excited about this. I was also excited about it. But then, and that’s all I need to hear, but then, and this the weird part is your story doesn’t really add up to me because Okay. The guy that we were with who was escorting this to the interview as we were getting ready to leave, he said Elmo had a scheduling conflict, which that’s a con, that alone is a confusing thing to me because how does a puppet have a scheduling conflict? Well, he Muppet, right? Say Muppet. How does a Muppet have a scheduling conflict? Like what was he doing at that moment? I would be answering your question, but I don’t have one. Okay. Well anyway, so Elmo had a scheduling conflict and Cookie Monster apparently didn’t wanna do it solo. Right. And you said in that moment, so let’s just not go. Yeah. And they were like, well, no, we’re still gonna go. It’ll just be the studio interview. Okay. Yeah. Meaning an interview in a studio is what I thought. Yeah, but I we’re still gonna go to the studio where Elmo was gonna be interviewing you and you’re just gonna do the interview. Oh, see, I understood what they meant by that. No, I didn’t. The South by Southwest studio, it was like, it’s a thing, it’s, they have a YouTube channel, whatever, you know, never heard of it. So we show up at this place and you were confused by I what? Um, well, well, you, what you told me was. That you thought that the woman who interviewed us was with Sesame Street? Was with Sesame Street. That’s right. Because, because she was dressed in overalls, colorful overalls, color, colorful overalls with patches all over ’em. And I just thought she was just a fun, loving character. I would’ve cast her in in Sesame Street in in a second. Yeah. But I wouldn’t have changed anything about her wardrobe. So it all came down to the fact that she had on Wonderful un no overalls. No, I assumed that we are being interviewed off by someone off camera, and then they were going to Superpose Elmo or Cookie Monster asking the questions. Okay, well that’s weird. Nobody told me that. And then when you realize that that wasn’t happening, you answered the first question of the interview, basically expressing your disgust that Elmo and Cookie Monster were not present. And then the whole interview was just about, I decided to take an honest approach. Yeah. Which I think it’s gonna be weird. For that interview outta context, like I said, to be all about El like I said, the regret is growing. I’m not defending my choice. I’m gonna share my choice and I’m not, but I’m not defending it. Matter of fact, I’m putting it out there to be pummeled. I and I, I, I think that my regrets only gonna grow because yeah, the first question was not a question that will be in children’s programming. And so, and by the way, right before the overall lady who was, who wasn’t on camera, ’cause Elmo wasn’t gonna be on camera. I said before, before we get into the interview, I do have a question. ’cause she was like, okay, first question. I was like, wait, what is this rated? Is this G rated? Remember when I asked that Uhhuh. Did that make you feel weird? Did that give you an indication that we weren’t on the same page when I’ve never before asked, excuse me, interviewer is this G rate? We haven’t been on the same page for quite some time. And then she was like, we’ve been in a different book for a few years. She and her overall also was like, um, no, no, you can say anything you want. And I’m thinking, okay, so they’re gonna bleep me on Sesame Street if I say something. Yeah. If I give like a, you know, if I say a Naugh word. So you thought that the whole, whole studio was a Sesame Street thing? Yes. And it didn’t add up in my mind. It didn’t make sense when we got there. And there was nothing sesame about it besides the woman’s overalls, which technically weren’t, it was just a woman in overalls. And the backdrop, did they have patch, playful patches all over the backdrop for the interview was a south was a south by logo. Well, I was facing the other way. Well, I saw it when I walked in. Um, I don’t know how much of the interview’s gonna be usable because there was a lot of references to that. Yeah, she was, I mean, I think, I can’t, my first answer, I don’t remember what the question was, but it was, my first answer was something like, oh yeah. When they said, how do you know you made it? And I said, it was when I almost was interviewed by Elmo. Oh yeah. Right. So again, I don’t know, just outta context if that’s gonna work, but the cameraman laughed. Oh, they, everyone was entertained. Everyone laughed at that joke. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then when I continued to answer the questions in a way that made clear that I was disappointed that I wasn’t talking to Elmo, I think I became a bit of a bitch. Oh, just a little bit. But Stevie was in the other room and she was laughing and I, I’m sorry, but she was in the other room laughing. And I am trained. To, if I’ve made Stevie laugh, which isn’t easy to do if I’ve made Stevie laugh, I gotta keep going and I will say not. And she was, she wasn’t laughing a little bit. She was laughing a lot. It added the fact that you were. W the fact that you were wearing a pinky ring didn’t. Now here’s the thing. I did not see your pinky ring until that interview. And you were, you were being, you were being a complete ass about Elmo. But it was, I was laughing a lot. I mean, I had a very good time. I felt like my face is turning red and I saw you my face turn wrist. You brought your hand up to your face and I was like, he’s got on a pinky ring right now. I was like, can’t say that on Sesam machine. This is, this is, you didn’t know. You didn’t notice I had on a pinky ring. This is not helping. I know We got the, the stylist who helped us, it was the stylist idea for me. I know I had multiple rings that were given to me that I was going to wear at a different time, and there was probably one that would’ve made it on my pinky. I’m just saying in that moment when you were talking about that like. With, with your like slightly tinted, uh, glasses on in your pinky ring talking about you wish Elmo was there. It’s like, what? Have embarrassed we, what have we become? I’m embarrassed. I don’t have, we become, I didn’t, I never wanted to be that person. Well, you were at that point, but it was very entertaining. It was, I mean, vie you succeeded in being, that’s your job. You know, your job is to be now, and plus these interviews, it’s, I don’t, I’m, I don’t, I don’t like talking about us so much. Well, we get asked the same questions over and over again. It’s, I agree. I agree. It’s fine. I’m just trying to make it interesting. We ended up having fun with it. The panels, we ended up having fun with it. The panels, you know, I’m just trying to, to have fun but not take up too much space. Like how many different ways can you say that what’s happening on YouTube is important, you know? Right. How many ways can you say that you’re disappointed that you wanted to meet Elmo and the whole reason you’re there? It is because they promised, they said, come be interviewed by Elmo. Then you show up and he is not there. Well, we were told on the way that he wasn’t gonna be there. The other thing that happened, I need more time to process. I need, I need 48 hours to, to be, to deal with the disappointment. We know that Elmo, the other thing that happened back in the hotel lobby, so hold on before we go back to that. So the conclude, I, I do appreciate the fact that you never said one peep about my pinky ring. I almost said it in the moment on in the interview. That would’ve been okay. I was just like, you’re wearing a pinky ring right now. I didn’t see it and we never even, we never had this discussion until right now. So. ’cause it just, was it that it just fit on the pinky? No, no, no. Or you were like, I do want it on the pinky. Actually she said, she said, what about a pinky ring? Oh, and I’ve, I’ve always secretly wanted to try a pinky ring. Yeah. I would just say it, it seemed. Pascals. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I would just say maybe don’t do the pinky ring and, uh, Ascot at the same time. You ever I wasn’t doing an Ascot. No, no, I’m saying, but like I saw that you had like a bandana that might be tied. I don’t on the neck at some point. I don’t, I don’t think I could’ve done that. And I was just like, I would do one or the other. Yeah. Know. She, she also gave me just as your, she gave me two friend, not as your stylist. She, yes. Well, and I appreciate that. Yeah. Matter of fact, there’s a question later that relates to that, but Okay. I think she gave me two chains. Yeah. Yeah. And I was wearing the chains and then I went to the bathroom and, and I looked at myself and I was like, you know what? I, I, and I remember I came back in, I don’t know if you remember this, and I, I told you had taken the chains off. I told Stevie, I was like, I help me get these chains off. I just can’t. Oh really? I can’t do the chains. Oh. I like chains. I can’t do chains. You can pull off chains. I can’t pull off chains apparently. Well, you pulled ’em off in the bathroom. I, I got Stevie to help me pull ’em off. Um, okay. Can we tell the on Bridges story, but pinky ring story that I feel good I can continue telling that story. I’m a, I’m a pinky ring man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, so we’re back in the lobby. Matter of fact, I’m gonna put, I’m gonna put this ring on the pinky ring. We’re back in the lobby of the proper later and we are waiting for our group to gather. And at that point it was me and Link and Stevie at least standing there. Basically right when you walk into the front door of the, the proper, it was the best place to stand if he wanted to see people entering and in walks. Leon Bridges incredible musician. He, he likes to wear these like onesies that are like really cool and he had one on, and he had his guitar in his hand and he had his lady at his side. And he’s walking right towards us before he makes a 90 degree turn to the check-in station. And as he gets close to us, Ling says. Mr. Bridges, there wasn’t a lot of time to calculate what I should say. It was very quick because I knew he was about to turn and, and, well, I love, I love Leon Bridges. I love his sense of style too. I mean, those are two I two style icons in the same lobby for me. But what we realized in the moment is that when you said Mr. Bridges, when someone walks, someone like Leon Bridges, walks into a hotel and a man, I mean, it was just the way you were standing and the jacket that you had on. That might have been this jacket. No, it was the leather. It was the leather jacket. Oh, okay. The, yeah, it was the leather one. Okay. We were like, and at the proper, you definitely seemed like you worked at the hotel, and then you definitely seemed like you were welcoming Mr. Bridges. We always love what you come here, you know? It’s like, welcome back Mr. Bridges, anything I can do for you. I didn’t, yeah. I do feel like if I would’ve reached for his guitar, he would’ve handed it. Oh, yeah. He would’ve given you all his luggage. Yeah. I could have Leon Bridge’s guitar right now. Yeah, you could. I could have all of his clothes and his girlfriend’s clothes, or whoever he was with. Yeah. Yeah. It was a missed opportunity. Yeah. I think Leon, next time, well, I didn’t, I hadn’t met him. I just think next time, Leon, because I’ve met him now you can, I wasn’t on a first name basis with Leon Es, hold on. You can call a musician an act. You can call anyone in the entertainment industry their first name, and it’s not disrespectful. You can’t do that with. Like an officer of, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like somebody who’s a, you know, well, in my split in charge of something, calculation of how to greet Leon Bridges, you went with Mr. Bridges. I was like, I don’t, I didn’t know. I hesitated on Leon and then I was like, you know what a good fallback is, is Mr. Last name. Right. So that’s what I did. Right. And plus, I think it, the way that Stevie said, it was like the way that you said it was as if you were the only one there that would recognize him, which, yeah, I guess I’ll say that’s true. It was slightly better than when you saw John Mayer and you said, John, I love you as he walked away. Uh, but you didn’t say, Mr. Mayer, I love you. I was trying to say I love your work, but he walked away in the middle of your, and it became, yo, I love you. I love you. Hey man, listen, I’m glad anytime there’s a celebrity around and you’re around, I know it’s gonna be entertaining, so I appreciate it. The bald guy from Barry, Anthony Kerrigan. Yeah. I, I went up and right when, after I checked in, I turned around and he was there and I just immediately talked to him. I was like, Hey, do you have a movie premiering here? Oh yeah. And that was, that was good. That was the first celebrity interaction at South By, and I felt like it was good. ’cause he smiled, he responded and we talked about it. He said, yeah, I’m, um, I’m premiering, I’m in the movie. Something about dead unicorn or last uni, something about there’s last unicorn. There’s something about finding a dead unicorn. I think. Yeah, it’s like, seems great. Yeah. It’s like they found the la the last unicorn, but it was dead is what I think it is. And, but he also mentioned with a 24 and I was like, can’t go wrong with a 24. That was good. That was good link. That shows your industry like expertise, right? Yep. Because you can’t, right. It’s, it’s, you know, it’s less likely that you’ll go wrong with a 24 for sure. Maybe that’s what I should say. Less likely that things will go wrong with a 24, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I’d love to see it, but we’re, he was like, what are you here for? What about you? Or whatever. And then I was able to kind of, you know, tell him, tell him what we do. Hmm. It was, it was good. It was a little moment we had. Okay. And it gave me confidence that then IS squandered on every other interaction I had the entire two day weekend. Um, we threw our own party. We did, uh, YouTube threw the party and we hosted it. Uh, a lot of creators and brands come together to mingle in this. Um, cool speakeasy called the Powder Room, which highly recommend going to the powder room in Austin. Fun little spot. Um, Josh created a themed, a mythical cookbook, themed libation, skittle milk, something. And we gave a speech, which I could have done better. You did great. Okay. I don’t remember that. Um, the thing we do when we give speeches, when we have to give like speeches to a group is that my buddy Rhet here, he’ll think about it ahead of time and then at a certain point he’ll come over to me and say, I’ve thought about this. I think, I think this is what we should do. Actually, I, and I really appreciate that. I was thinking that, um. It’s, we have an interesting dynamic there. Yeah. Like, I like put a little outline together. It’s very simple. Just like, how about you start, then I’d say this, and you know, just very loose. Right? Yeah. Um, here’s the thing. If I was an individual person, this would not be required. The only reason that I do that is because there’s two of us. And it’s just like, if there’s two people you kind of wanna know, like, okay, well I’m gonna emphasize this, you emphasize this, or whatever. Yeah. So, and since we were the hosts, we kind of need to seem a little put together, so Yeah. Yeah, yeah. If I didn’t do that, I actually thought about that while I was there. I was like, if I didn’t approach link at some point during the day and say, and by the way, you didn’t have your phone. Yeah, I had, I had left it. You left your phone in the room? Well, I left it in this jacket. I was wearing this jacket. It was too hot because I was like, I texted, I switched to the leather Pedro? No, to the Leon Bridges jacket. Oh, the leather one. And then I didn’t have my phone in it, so I didn’t, I, because I texted you an outline. You’re like, I don’t have my phone. I’m a little baby. And so then I showed you the outline. I’m, I know. It feels like I’m a little baby sometimes. Well, but if I didn’t do that, and here’s the thing, it probably would, I don’t think it probably would be fine. It would probably be fine, but maybe it wouldn’t be fine. That’s true. Would if that’s the fun of it. If I never said anything to you. Yeah. Would you never say anything to me about it? No. Never. You would never come up to me and be like, so what do you think we should say? You would, you literally would never approach me to be like, at this point in our career and relationship, no, no, no, no, no, no. It because you know, I’m going to Yes. But if I, but even if you didn’t share, if I didn’t, if I didn’t come to you with a, Hey, here’s a little outline, and it was like 10 minutes before, would you like, be like, Hey, have you thought about this? Like, would, or would you just literally wait until they gave us the microphones and be like, just see what happens. Probably that, yeah. Yeah, yeah. That would be a disaster. I don’t think it would be a disaster. Ah, I mean it, well, it certainly could be because it wasn’t tight. It was loose, it was great. It was loose. It went well. But we knew where we were gonna take off. We knew what altitude we were gonna fly at. Mm-hmm. And we knew how we were gonna land. And that’s the only thing that you gotta know when you get in front of a group. And I, I, I did craft a joke around it. Mm-hmm. You know, I had the, you had the part. Let’s break it down. I was supposed to get everybody’s attention. Yeah. Okay. I’m good. I’m good at that. I can do that Uhhuh, but then I’m supposed to quickly, like, I’m just saying, I’m, I’m glad you’re here. And then you’re gonna take over with something that you said. That wasn’t for me to say. Oh. Uh, it was a, it was a story about what was happening in 2005, 20 years ago, which, which led to, it was basically, we were making a movie the same year that YouTube was founded. Oh yeah. And if you’d have told us that in 2025, we would’ve been at South by Southwest, we would’ve been like, we made it as filmmakers. Right. And you’d be like, no. It’s that little website that just started. The one that you think is required for people who don’t have their own website. youtube.com. Yeah. You’re gonna be at South by Southwest because of YouTube. It would’ve blown our minds. That was like the opening thing. Yeah. And then I was supposed to tee up the fact that we’ve created an environment for creators to connect with each other. I. And then hand it off to you to say that we also create an environment for you to connect with brands. Yes. Mm-hmm. Right. And I can, I did craft a joke and the, you know, oh, you did great. Which was my question, wasn’t question was, I’m gonna tell my joke again. Okay. Okay. Let me tell my joke again. Okay. Crap. I’m not gonna be able to tell it again. It’s not gonna be as funny here. ’cause I, I can’t quite remember it, but it was something like, and back when we first started you didn’t, creators didn’t talk to each other. But now, unfortunately, uh, I can’t remember what it was, but now you have to do that or something. Yeah. I can’t remember. Right. It was funny. It was funny. I, I, like I said, I, I don’t remember it ’cause I don’t need to, I’m never gonna say it again, but when I said it, it worked. It was precarious, but it did work. Sometimes it worked. It didn’t work just then. And I acknowledge that. And you said your thing, but I, I thought that was pretty good. My whole point was, I can’t remember my point except that Josh, we then, we handed it over to Josh and he was behind the bar and he gave this whole presentation about how to, what this cocktail is that he invented, that everybody’s gonna drink. And boy, he had ’em in the palm of his hand for like, probably eight minutes. He was like a Cutco salesman selling something that people actually cared about. Yeah. And I, I felt like a proud uncle. Somebody actually got a picture of Josh doing his thing, and I’m in the background. I think maybe you’re just out of the shot. And it, and it was like, look at Proud, proud Dad rt. Proud dad. Rhett in the background, looking at his and looking at Josh. Fun. We had, we had a good time. We did. It was a short, it was, I was to stay more, I would like to have more time. But we had to get back, we had to shoot some wonder hole. Oh, we had a good Wonder Hole week at this point. As of last night. Mm-hmm. At 10 o’clock. We’ve shot half of season two. We got it in the can. Uh, that will be three out of the six episodes. Well, let’s don’t over promise the six. We six is what we’re going for. We don’t, we’re not a hundred percent sure that that’s, if it turns out to be five, it might be five. There’s a, there’s a, there’s, there’s some big question marks around one of the ideas right now. Okay. Uh, that’s fair. But whether it’s five or six, nothing I say is a promise. I’m very excited about it. I feel so, I, I’m enthused. Um, Elmo’s not in it so far. I will say that we’re gonna get to a question, but go. Well, I mean, there’s not much to say here. We got merch, exclusive t-shirts in Zoomies. Yeah. You know, the store, the actual store, the, it’s typically in a mall. Usually in a mall. Yeah. At select. If you wanna know IEZ where it is. If you And which Zoomies? It’s in mythical.com/zoomies. You just go there and then you We are honored to, if there’s one close to, we are honored to be in Zoomies. Mythical in Zoomies. Woo. Let’s hear a question. This is McKayla from Virginia, and I am a young woman in construction. I was wondering if y’all had any tips on how to demand respect from my coworkers. Thanks for the help. Love y’all. Bye. How to demand respect from presumably your male coworkers. Um, they’re constructing stuff. They’re wearing hard hats and. Orange fluorescent vests, and they’re walking around with their steel toe boots and they’re grunting. Yeah. And they’re pointing and they’re carrying boards and pipes and pulling on pulleys and, um, stick shifting, dump trucks and doing a lot, as you can see. Here’s a secret that you need to know about men. They’re all just little boys. Yeah. Everything that I just mentioned is something that I would do in the dirt with my little toys as a kid. Move my little trucks and they, they, they’re all, all of us are just little boys. We grew up and we got big, some of us got bigger than others, but we’re still just little boys. Mm-hmm. And you can put us back into little boy mode so much more easily than you realize. It is so much easier to do than you have any idea. And what you just need to do is you just need to recognize your power. You’ve got it. You already have it. You just need to recognize and exercise. That’s what you need to do. Why are you doing this motion where your hands get flat in front of your, because I’m holding torso and then you push out because I’m holding two big boobs. Oh no, I didn’t. I wasn’t doing that. Are you, are you ready to get more specific and how you can do that? Uh, well I think it’s going to be, I think it’s gonna be grab them by the ear lobe and drag them wherever you want ’em. I just think that there may sometimes be, especially in that environment, a tendency for you to want to just shrink, be meek and make yourself smaller. A lot of times men make themselves real big. Women make themselves smaller. That tends to be culturally where things shake out in general. Mm-hmm. But you don’t have to do that. And I think the thing is, is just like perfect example. If there’s a man whose man spreading mm-hmm. And you just, and you’re next to him, if you just. Man spread back at him. The little boy will close his legs. Oh, you know what I’m saying? I, I’m just saying I don’t, I know you don’t need that much room in there. I I just a little soft dick joke. Well, I didn’t mean it that way, but yeah, that way a little dick joke will go a long way and a long dick joke. Uh, we’ll also go, yeah, we’ll go longer actually. Wow. Specifics. That’s for you to come up with. I don’t know. Well, that’s the one long dick joke, soft dick joke. You know what I’m saying though, right joke? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes, I, I agree. You got, it’s in, there’s an inflate. It’s inflated. Hold your, hold your ground. And sometimes that’s literally and physically space occupy your space vertically. You know, and then like, do, do the, uh, do the apple exec talk, foot spreads, foot spread your foot a-frame those feet a little bit, you know, not too far. ’cause you’ll get too short. Right. Um, where heels and do that. Yeah. How, how else, how else do you, do you bring out the boy that’s not when you don’t wanna come on so strong with you don’t wanna come on with like insults. No, but you gotta, when you, when they give it, you, when they dish it out, you gotta be able to dish it out back. I’m not saying you’re trying to be an asshole. No, and I’m not saying, I’m just saying that you gotta understand that I think a thick skin, I’m a, I’m nervous giving this type of advice, but like, I think giving it back, whatever, whatever they’re throwing at you, giving it back. Yeah. You definitely don’t, here’s the thing about little boys is that little boys. Are really good at pretending to be bigger and sensing, and sensing weakness. And also like they’re little boys, just less, they, they find the weakness and they exploit it. And if, and if it, and if it’s showing that it’s effective, they feel like they’ve won this game. But if it’s like, oh, my little shit doesn’t work. Yeah. You know, you know, I, it’s, I’m not saying this is an easy thing to do, I’m just saying it starts with, it’s this whole thing about picturing everyone in the crowd naked when you’re speaking to them. So you, even though I don’t really think that works, but you know, the, I, the idea is that you’re trying to do this mental exercise to put yourself in a different place. Realizing that this is just a little boy who literally looked at a truck and was like, I want to play with that forever. I’m just saying that’s what, you know, there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m just saying it might, but it might help you to, there’s something on my lip. We’re all little boys. We, we were like, we, he might help you to point that out. We want to make movies forever. Like we’re just doing little boy shit all the time. You know, most of us are building things, whatever it might be today. Jen is not here today growing with little boy. Jamie, I’ll get your take on this. I mean, um, you know, it’s, it’s not a man’s world. Yeah, it’s a woman’s world, but I mean, it’s not that you’re working in. No, I mean, I, maybe I’m wrong. I’ve been in situations ’cause like a lot, like in middle school and high school I had like a largely like male friend group. Okay. So I was around a lot of guy and I grew up with an older brother, things like that. So for me it was more so I grew up with that. But my advice would be like, if you have any male family members, like little brothers or cousins or things like that, or you have male friends, like how would you react to them? Like kind of there you go. Doing a little gentle ribbing or anything like that. Yes. You don’t see those people as scary. So kind of do the same thing to your coworkers in a way that’s like, obviously not like blatantly rude, but look at them the same way. You shouldn’t be scared of them. Like, don’t come in also too hot. I think like, ’cause sometimes women will come in and being like almost like, like halter tops. Well, no, I mean like more, not really conduct. Uh, I know what you mean. Yeah. Good for construction. Um, aggressive. Don’t come in too aggressive. Too. Too aggressive. ’cause then they’ll be like, oh, she’s a bitch. Yeah. Then you become the bitch. Yeah. Right. But it’s like, if you come in normal and then if they start to kind of give you some shit, then just kind of give it back a little bit. Pretend it’s like your little brother and you’re like, oh, you’re not scary. It’s fine. I, I think this is great advice. I do think, you know, I want to acknowledge the, it, the, it’s, it is unfortunate that you, that you gotta, that you gotta work against the, the some cultural tides and sometimes, and in some environments are stronger than others. Mm-hmm. So, hey, you bring it at that construction site. Hard hat. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mm-hmm. Tell somebody to put a hard hat on. Yeah. Let’s hear another one. Hey, red Link. This is Ben again. Calling you guys for like the hundredth time. I just need some advice. So I am in a loving, committed relationship with my girlfriend Samantha, five years and, uh, just recently, probably two Christmases ago, uh, we had a feud with my family, um, who she has met before, but also her family. So just give some context. My mom is someone to, you know. To kind of deal with, I guess you could say a little bit difficult, can be problematic. Um, this is again, the first time my family and her family were meeting. Ultimately, this whole thing blew up and created a big scene. She ended up leaving Christmas, taking gifts with her, not seeing Mike to the family. Ever since then, uh, she’s really had a real sour taste in my girlfriend’s mouth, and I’m just trying to get her and everybody else to, you know, get along. So, appreciate any feedback or help or advice. Thanks. Love you guys. Bye. I think this is an opportunity. Mm. The most famous love story of all time, Romeo and Juliet. It was the Monte Hugs and the, what’s the other family? Uh, I haven’t, I haven’t. Oh, come on. I mean, I don’t remember. I’m the only one that can remember one half of it. Oh man. Montagues in the Montagues Monte cues. Yeah. Who is it? Hold on. I it’s, we don’t know the Caplets. The Caplets? Mm-hmm. Oh yeah. The caplets. I knew that. Or is it the cap? You know what I mean? They were from feuding families. Mm-hmm. And it, what it did is it created, how did it end? An electric romance. Don’t think about the end. Don’t think about the end. Just think about, just think about the here and now. Your mama is a problem. I just think that, and she, and she’s the problem. Ah. That’s the tough, that’s the good thing. At least you’re not married to the problem. Let’s start there. Yeah. Okay. You know, you came from the problem, but you see the problem and you don’t live with it anymore. So. You gotta su you got, you gotta support your wife, but you gotta, I mean, you also gotta love your mama no matter what. Right? And that, well, not, no matter every single, all you got, who knows? Now you gotta love your mom. You gotta love your mom. But, and I don’t think that he’s talking about doing this, by the way, didn’t sound like I didn’t hear this, but let’s just talk about this little thing that happens, right? Taking the present. No, I’m saying that it is very common where if you’re getting to know a guy, if you’re a woman and you’re getting to know a guy or you’re any, any gender, okay? If they are valuing, if they seem to value their relationship with their parents, and a lot of times the dynamic is it is a guy and his mom more. Then your relationship with them, get the fuck out. Whoa. That’s, those are strong words. I’m just saying Get out, get out, get out, get out. If, if he places his mother above you, get out. I’m just saying, but, but that doesn’t mean you, I’m not doing that. But that, that’s the good, I’m just saying it’s a little aside. That happens all the time and it’s, and it’s, it’s super toxic. It’s just super toxic. I’m not gonna elaborate on that. Look into it. So anyway, I, I wonder what that Christmas gift was. Back to the situation at hand. She never got, um, you’re, it isn’t your job. This is another thing. It’s not your job. To force the two families to get along? Oh, yeah. Well, the family’s part is easy if that’s part of the question. Like, it’s not your responsibility. Families don’t need to, they don’t need to, you know, don’t worry about that. Don’t worry about that. I don’t know. You can’t cont, you can’t control who your mom is. You can only control how you, as a couple interact with her and may, you know, you put some boundaries in place and maybe you have some quality mom time where your partner’s not there, not around, and then you don’t allow that to impact your relationship with your partner. And you just, you put some boundaries in place and you, you just get super practical about it, knowing that you, you know, you can’t, you can’t make somebody change. You can, I mean, you can try to reach out, you can have an opening salvo. Maybe she’ll soften over time or wise up or whatever she needs to do. But that’s her work to do. And you just gotta, you, you gotta make it work as well as you can. You got with, you gotta work with what you got. So I just say you get very practical. Good luck. I’m sorry. Good luck. Is that, that’s all you anyway, that was good advice. Good luck with that. Hello RT Link. My name is Parker and I’m here to ask if Rhett is aware of the Rhett dancing Instagram page, where it just re post a video of RT dancing every single day to different songs. Also, I’m Mom, it gets cut off there. So he hung up himself. Wow. That’s we’ll never know. Decided. Do you wanna share that list also, mum? I was not. Aware, aware of this until today. Uh, what is it? Um, it is the same video, different music, a different song, uh, alongside me dancing. And is that, is that dance from the real World tape? Yes. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. So this is college dorm footage? No, this is college apartment, college apartment footage. But I’m very flexible. Limber quick. There’s so lean, so much material came out of that. I so glad I unearthed that. Good God. That was some of my best archeological work. And this is really my, it’s like the cackle laugh, like the maniacal laugh thing that you did. That’s, we got a lot of mileage outta that. Well, I, the thing a virgin thing don’t, the reason I don’t mind this, I’m still listing things. Okay. I’m a virgin thing. God, I’m mileage outta that. Yeah. And now this just. Shirtless is the shirtless dancing. Well, you’re not gonna embarrass me with this because out of all of the things that I did and said in that video, this is the one that I would’ve wanted the world to see. As I was saying. Yeah, you were. You can kind of see it on your face when you were dancing. I was limber. I was lean and you were hoping this would happen. I was a machine, and this just a question of, and I’m doing a very original dance. I’m doing, it matches up a very original dance. Oh no. The music is never the two that I watched, like the BPM is not anywhere close. It’s just like, let’s just play a song and then red’s dancing to it. It’s like careless whisper or something. It’s irrespective of the dance, but okay. They take requests and then they post it. I don’t know how long it’s been going on, but I scrolled down a little bit and it’s been a while. When is the moment that you realized you had arrived? Uh, well first I thought it was when Pedro Pascal, I. Came up and said, I love you, but now I realize it’s when an Instagram account dedicated to a few fleeting moments of me dancing while I was in college was created. Congratulations, man. I will say that I also saw a footage of me dancing seen very early in our career, and that’s made its rounds too, but I don’t have an entire Oh, it’s a whole Instagram account. It’s a whole account, not a whole account. Okay. Right. Nope. Don’t have that. Don’t have that. Okay. Well, just one. I’ll tell you what it feels like after a couple of months. I also love that it has over 1500 followers. It’s not like a lot, but it kind of is a lot for such. Have more Now what’s the name of the account? It’s literally Rhett Dancing Ret Dancing. Rhett, no Space Dancing. Mm-hmm. There’s 185 posts. Whoa. 185 different songs to the exact same piece of footage. Mm-hmm. And that’s my camera work, so I. I somehow I want a piece of that. Mm, I still have that camera. Let’s hear another one. It’s my footage. The photographer technically does own the image. Hey guys. Uh, it’s Landon calling and recently I’ve been interested in getting my motorcycle endorsement, but unfortunately, uh, my mom is not on the fence that I am on with it, and she is so against the idea of me getting my motorcycle endorsement that she had offered to. Buy me a brand new car. Uh, I have since declined, but I’m just curious what your guys’ takes on it. Do you think motorcycles are safe enough for the majority of the public? Do you ever think about getting a motorcycle? Have you ever thought about getting a motorcycle? Um, maybe with your kids? I don’t know. So take what you want if you’re grain, salt. Love you guys. Bye. I think first I gotta, we gotta talk about this analogy in the fence. Uh, yeah, he, so I think in your analogy, yeah. He needs to be corrected. I think in your analogy, you believe there are two fences and you’re both on one, and there’s, you pick a fence that you can be on. Uh, I mean, I’m not really, maybe if you could we’re here to explain it to me, Landon, I would understand, but typically the fence is the barrier between two distinct choices, right? And if you’re, if you’re on the fence, it means you haven’t decided. You haven’t decided. But your mom is clearly on the don’t get a motorcycle side of the fence. Yeah. Yeah. She’s on the other side of the fence. Now if there’s another, she trying to lure you over there with a new car. Maybe she’s trying to lure him over there with another fence, it sounds like. But because she’s got a little fence that she’s on on her side of the fence and it’s confused him and now he thinks that he is on a fence as well. You’re not on a fence homie. Yeah, you’re, yeah. Especially if you have de denied and declined the offer of the car. You are on the other side of the fence. You’re on the motorcycle side of the fence. And I will say that except you don’t have a motorcycle. Knowing when you’re on a fence and not on a fence is a key thing that you need to understand if you’re gonna start driving a motorcycle. If you don’t Yeah. If you think you’re on a fence and you’re not, we don’t think you should have a motorcycle. Yeah. Right. You failed the test. Yeah. Yeah. You failed the motorcycle test. We need to get that car and accept it. Yeah. And endorsement is, is a much better term than license for this. ’cause it’s like we do not endorse. Right. You. Uh, piloting a motorcycle. Now we, it’s dangerous, dude. We’ve had some motorcycle experience now. Link was in the sidecar and it was, it was a, it was like a French motorcycle that, like, was something about, about, it was backwards. Italian. I don’t know what it was. It was for Buddy system season two. It was an old motorcycle that would barely start. It was dope looking and they, and I, first of all, the only way I could, it made a poster. The only way I could operate a motorcycle is if it did have a sidecar, you know, so it would balance, it was like a three wheeler and they would like get it started for me and then show me things and, yeah, like couldn’t, you couldn’t start it. ’cause it was really hard to start. Yeah. So, so somebody would start it. I think top speed was like 24. It was cool looking though. But they’re dangerous on the open highways out here. I mean, you wouldn’t believe what people do on motorcycles. It’s legal to split lanes if there’s traffic going slow enough, you can go in between traffic like on the dotted line, not on the, not on the side. You have to be still in between cars and it’s just, that’s scary. And sometimes people do it and you’re going like faster than I think what the legal limit is. It’s supposed to be just like a 20 or something. Yeah. When I’m driving a car, I actually actively think about where my legs are and where my head is positioned because I am, so I, I think about how like I’m healthy right now, you know, relatively. My spine is doing pretty good, but you know, I have all kinds of shit that goes wrong with my body and I’ll turn the wrong way. And I’ve got, there’s shit going on with my spine. Yeah. And I’m tall, and so my knee, a lot of times if I’m in like a rental car or something that’s not quite big enough, my knee is kind of hitting the dash and I think about that, man, if I was in an accident right now, my leg, my femur would break, maybe my hip would break. There are lots of things that would go wrong. Google, how dangerous is motorcycles, by the way? And so I’m just thinking about that kind of thing, even when I’m in a car. So the, the reason I don’t drive a motorcycle or is it ride, you’re technically driving it. If you’re on the back holding onto somebody, you’re riding it. When they say you’re riding man, you’re riding it. The reason I don’t ride a motorcycle is just statistically bad news. If there is a wreck, I am much more likely to be seriously injured. And so I’m just like, okay. Now I think it’s probably really, really fun. And some people are like, it’s totally worth it. And I’m like, okay, that’s, I’m just, that’s for me. If my kid wanted on a motorcycle, I would do everything in my power to dissuade it. Because this, like you said, statistics. What, what, what, what, what does the internet say? Well, first of all, I had just had to type in how dangerous are, and then motorcycles was the first thing that pops up. Yeah. So that’s searched a lot. It’s, um, in 2021 is the last statistics. So the fatality rate for motorcycles was 24 times the passenger car occupant fatality rate, and 40 times the fatality rate for light truck occupants. So it’s a lot more likely that if you get in a motorcycle accident, you will die than if you’re in a regular car. You know why, you know, because you, because there ain’t much to a motorcycle. Mm-hmm. And there’s the same amount to you. Yeah, so the ratio of you to cycle, you know, is it’s, it’s pretty straightforward and you, you can’t see you and you have to be very defensive, but like, if you really, like, if you really want a motorcycle, you don’t, you don’t really like the idea of defensive driving. Those things don’t go together. So as much as you think you, you, you’re gonna be safe and all this stuff about it. I’m suspicious. I don’t think people think they’re gonna be safe. I don’t think people do the, I don’t think people do the math. ’cause if they did the math, I just think that a lot of people, that’s not how they live life. No, I’m a risk taker and if I was really into that type of thing, I mean, I mean, I, I, you know, Ben, our director, he’s, he’s been a motorcycle guy for years, but like. He doesn’t drive on the street. He’s a very risk averse guy. He takes it to a track and races it, he takes it to a track and races it, and it’s very controlled environment. Um, because if something goes wrong and he has fun, if something goes wrong out there, it’s his fault if something goes, you know? Mm-hmm. I just don’t like putting my life, you’re developing in somebody else’s hands to that degree. You’re develop skill and uh, you know, it’s a hobby, but it’s there. So maybe that’s a route to take. And I do want you to think about it. ’cause I mean, another thing you can do is people will, they’ll, they’ll travel in packs, you know, in numbers. If you have a motorcycle buddy and you’re riding together, I think that increases your visibility and your level of safety. The, and I’m sure there’s a lot of other techniques to mitigate risk, but again, you gotta be honest with yourself of like. How disciplined are you gonna be at mitigating risk? I know the way that I work. Oh, you would be, you would be a terror. I could never, I could never. You nearly killed, gave Greg a heart attack when he just rode in the side of your, uh, dune buggy or whatever it was, where we did him when we went on that trip. I am, and I was like, I’m not riding with link under any circumstances. I have a very tenuous relationship with risk. Like, I, I just, you know, I keep him at much more than arm’s length. I don’t like having interactions with him, so I just ignore him. And, but I, but I know thyself and myself doesn’t have a motorcycle. Right. So we’re saving lives today. But I wanna caveat all this though. Maybe just, maybe just, um, I don’t know. Because if you, it’s, it is your decision, obviously it’s, it’s not your mom’s decision mean please wear a helmet and body armor. It’s not your mom’s decision. Really cool body armor. But yeah, don’t. The, uh, the thing that, it’s like the people who wear them, the, just the skull caps or nothing. Yeah. In Florida, some states you don’t have to. Yeah. South Carolina, you ain’t gotta wear nothing. So, I don’t know, man, because it’s your own, it’s your, you’re doing it to yourself because they might be like, well, it’s totally worth the fun that I can have. And I, and what I’m thinking is, this is the way my brain works. If I’m doing something dangerous, it’s difficult for me to have fun because I’m thinking about not getting hurt. And I’m thinking about if I get hurt doing this, it’s really gonna complicate things. And you know what it’s gonna do for me? It’s going to complicate the things that I want to do to have fun. Like I, you know what I like doing. That’s a good way to look at it. I like doing this job. That’s what I like doing. Yeah. I like creating things and sometimes we’ll take some risks. We went skydiving for Wonder Hole, like we’ll take some calculated risks. It’s not, but I’m doing it for the thing that I actually have fun doing it for. I mean, I’m thinking about not even skiing anymore, to be honest with you. Not, I don’t think I’m gonna die skiing. People do. Sonny Bono did remember that. Yeah. Um, but I just think you gotta, yeah, I, I, but you hurt, like Jacob just hurt his knee. You gotta decide what you want outta life. And he’s been walking around on crutches for two months, where my motorcycle fits into that. If my kid really wanted a motorcycle, I would do everything to dissuade, but ultimately I can’t control what they do. I would just try to, I would try to empower safe decisions, but without being a buzzkill, I don’t know. It would be hard, but like, okay. Here’s a, here’s a little education, but you know what? I might have to get a motorcycle and so I can always go there with it because you can’t live. I, me, I don’t know. I, I feel like I do re I, I, I think the flip side is you can’t live life in fear because, okay, for instance, yeah, Locke was like, Locke travels a lot and he wanted to go to Columbia and I, and you know, some other family members were like, I can’t believe you’re gonna let him go to Columbia. And I’m like, he’s a 20-year-old kid. Like, I don’t think it’s like super unsafe now. It’s not like what it used to be. And so we don’t live, I don’t, I haven’t taught, my shepherd is on a one wheel. He’s been careening everyone, thousands of miles, thousands upon thousands of miles on a one wheel. And one wheels are notoriously dangerous and. He does wear his helmet. Sometimes he doesn’t, but I insist on him. If I see him without his helmet, I, we, there’s disciplinary action that is taken. Um, but, you know, I don’t say don’t do it. He’s, he’s, you know, he’s a 16-year-old kid. He’s gonna, he’s, he hasn’t really fallen somehow in a way that’s hurt him. But, so I’m not saying that we don’t let our kids do anything, but it’s just when you did up to motorcycle speeds and you’re on a road with other giant pieces of, of metal, we’re not going back to that. I’m just, you gotta draw the line somewhere. Yeah. But it’s not your line to draw. And I think that’s a good point. I respect the fact that like, motorcycle enthusiasts are, they’re a certain breed and it’s something that I’m not, so I, it’s part of the game. I respect the fact that like, it, it’s a hobby that like some people would put at the top of their list and you may be one of those people. So we’re just giving our perspective for why we don’t do it. So I think what. Maybe I’m arriving at what I would do if it was one of my kids. I would, I would appeal to their higher selves. Say, okay, it’s not just about being a defensive motorcyclist, it’s, there’s a higher calling than that. It’s about being a skilled, old proficient cyclist or whatever, rider, I don’t know what it’s called, like biker. You, you’re gonna go, you know, you, you can go and, and test your skills and get training and look at defensive driving as a personal challenge. Like to be the best motorcyclist you can be, involves a level of safety as a form of craft. You know, I agree with that. So it’s not about, it’s not about taking wild risks, it’s about taking calculated risks because you’re fully informed and you’re like, you’re aspiring to be a professional level motorcyclist, even on the road sometimes I think of myself like that in a car. It’s like, I gotta be the best driver I can be. I gotta have the best technique. I’m gonna, I’m gonna be the best defensive and offensive driver at the exact same time. I’m gonna be vigilant of every single thing. I’m not gonna be distracted. I’m gonna make informed decisions at all times. And people are gonna be like, woo, look at that driver. He’s awesome. I’ve noticed this about your, uh, you drive really fast. Uh, not like necessarily too fast. I’ve, for the speed limit, I’ve driven you in the past three days, and I’ve noticed that there’s a lot of sounds that you’re making, well, you’ve almost hit several things, but you drive. It’s interesting for you to gimme that perspective because when I drive like my, here’s what I mean. I’m a good driver. But when I drive, I’m literally just thinking like, I have to do this. It is necessary for me. I have to be in this vehicle to get from home to work, or work to home or wherever. And what am I gonna do with this time? I’m gonna think I’m gonna listen to this book, or I’m gonna listen to music. But it’s like, it’s not like I’m on a mission when I see you drive. It’s like, and sometimes we’ll leave at the same time and I’ll just see the things that you do. And I’m just like, he’s so funny how he’s driving. Like he’s in a, I can like totally like imagine the look on his face right now. He’s trying so hard to do this. Exactly right. And he’s like listening to music. He’s definitely not listening to something that’s making him think about anything other than driving right now. Right. And I’m like, it’s the way that you drive a riding lawnmower where you’re like, where if you like see link on a riding lawnmower and it is like, he’s got this look on the face, like, I’m gonna cut this grass as good as I possibly can. And nothing, there’s no, the, the, your mind never wonders to anything else except the grass. It’s actually remarkable. That is. Exactly right. Now, here’s the problem with, there’s a hyper fixation. You being in the car with me, here’s the problem. You’re distracting me. Yeah, you, but I’m still driving the same way. Yeah. You can’t have like a, like I drive slowly when I drive, when I drive. I, I am, I like, I’m completely focused on it, like it’s a video game. So what do you, like, don’t you talk, like, when I drive with Jesse, we are constantly talking. We like, no, I don’t talk to any on the phone. No, no, no. When she’s with me. Oh, when she, when Christie’s with me. Yeah. I, I, I go, I, I slow down. I’m not as aggressive. Okay. So you don’t respect me as much as you respect your wife. I, okay. Fair. I didn’t think you would care. Like the reason why is because, uh, it scares the shit out of her. And I have noticed that it did that to you. So Yeah. Maybe I’ll slow down a little bit. Well, I just. But I can’t carry on a conversation. No, that’s what I’m saying. I drive at as, and you do most of talking anyway, but I drive at a speed that allows for conversation and I drive the same speed if I’m with my myself or with someone else because I’m kind of constantly in a conversation with myself. Like I talk out loud to myself. Yeah. I don’t do it. I’m like thinking about the thing that I’m watching. I enjoy driving. I have fun driving. I like it. But it’s like you’re, it’s a challenge. You’re, yeah, like just the other day we left at the same time and you waited until the very last minute. To, and I can see, and I’m like, he is calculated. He’s like, I’m gonna go as far and as fast as I can, and I’m gonna get over it the last minute because that’ll put me in the front of this line. Not so late that you’re crossing over the part where you shouldn’t cross over. Yeah, that’s because that’s a, like, that’s wrong. That’s a mistake. That’s a mistake. So you try to get as close to the part where you’re not supposed to be, and you’re like, like right over. And I was like, he’s crazy. That’s what I was thinking. But I don’t cut people off. I I, I get right up on the back of people. You Yeah, you were, it was tight. It was tight. And now I’m not, I I’m gonna, I’m, I’m gonna pull it back a little bit. I was actually thinking about this the other day. Not in reference to you, but, uh, there was another situation. I can’t remember what made me think about this, but you ever think what would happen just in all around the world? Maybe just think about LA if for one day every single person was you on the road. So I, here’s what the reason I was thinking about this is I was getting off of That’s not how society works. No, no. But just, yeah. But it’s an interesting thought experiment. ’cause I was getting off of one highway, I was merging off, I was getting off a highway to get onto another highway. And in la, which is one of the more aggressive places to drive in America, right? If there’s 5, 6, 7 lanes and two of the lanes are about to go off to become an to, to exit onto another highway, I’m just gonna throw out a number. 75%. It’s the majority. Mm-hmm. Of people get over really early. Like if you’re heading down the, uh, the two 10 and too early and you’re about to get onto the 1 34. Yeah. Way too early. Everybody gets, so many people get over. And so I think to myself. I’m not gonna do that. It’s like, but I’m not gonna be the asshole who cuts in front of somebody. At the end, what I do is when it gets down to the last like 0.2, 0.1 miles, 0.2 miles, I get over and I’m like, somebody’s, there’s gonna be a gap somewhere that I can nicely get into. A big truck’s gonna, somebody’s gonna be on their phone, something’s gonna happen. And 80 times out of a hundred, eight out of 10, that’s the case. And you get over and then sometimes you get a little bit over your, he over your skis and you like to do the thing where you’re doing it late. What I do every time, that’s what I do every time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you, I think I get in a little bit earlier than you. Oh yeah. You take a little bit more risk than I do. Oh yeah. But I was thinking if every single person on the road today was driving like me, and I don’t think I want to get over what would happen. What would, would everybody be over here in the other lanes? Like No. Some of us would be like, oh, some of us would. There’s nobody over there. So some of mes would get over there to that lane. And would it just recreate the same problem again? Or would it really be different? Would it really be different? Like if you were Dr. Everyone was you and you were like, I’m going to go, I’m the last person to get over. But everyone else was you. It would create, it would not, what would happen? It would be negative. It would create more of a traffic jam right there. Because people were trying to go, too many people were trying to get over. Would it literally shut the city down if you could? Any person, yeah. If you take one person of any driving persuasion and suddenly for that day, every single car in LA is that person, would it shut the city down? My theory is it would. ’cause you can’t have everyone behaving exactly the same way. You have to have the. The distribution Right. Of the way people drive. Yeah, because you gotta have, because the roads are built for that. You gotta have the people to make the gaps to then insert yourself in the gap. If nobody’s making a gap, then everybody’s just gridlocked at at the last second. And if it was all people who get over early, that would be crazy. Surely someone would be like, well, I guess I gotta go out there and to the place that I never go. I would love to be if I was God. That’s the kind of stuff I would do there. You know what I’m saying there? There’s simulations for that. You can do that. Oh really? You took all traffic classes, didn’t you do simulations? I went to the, I went to college in the late nineties. No, we just like simulated things in our minds. Oh, I, I took a class called Simulation, but it was factories. I took tra a traffic engineering class and we were not using any software. It was all theory. Oh wow. I’m sure that it’s all software now to close things. It’s probably an app. Just funny, there is a shortcut to all of this. Back to the motorcycle, and this is what I used to think, the shortcut to this is to just believe. That everything is determined ahead of time. God is in control. When your time is up, your time is up. There’s nothing you can do about it. This is, is, I don’t think you want me believing that this is, I’m just saying this is the way out for a lot of people believing that is like, if I, if God wants to take me, he’ll take me while I’m sleeping or he’ll take me on my motorcycle. It’s up to him. The statistics don’t apply. Okay? That’s another way around this. Just believe that y’all be safe out there. That’s all we’re gonna say. I, you know what? This has been a wake up call for me today. I’m gonna change my ways. Mm-hmm. Are you embodying someone’s listening? No, I’m, I’m saying what I think everyone would hope I would be saying right now, but I’m saying it Insincerely. Oh, okay. Okay. Don’t change man. Don’t change. I’m linking, I’m gonna change my ways. I, I, you’re giving me something to think about, but what specifically slowing down or. Of course I won’t think about it when I’m driving. The only thing I’m asking is when I’m in the car with you. I would appreciate us having a more engaged conversation and like we can be like three. I’d appreciate you just admiring my driving. No, we can be three minutes, three minutes later and we’ll actually have three more minutes to discuss like something we’re working on. Yeah, that would be great. I’ve enjoyed our time together. I could have enjoyed it more. Well, we’ll talk at you next week. And, uh, thank you for your voicemails and for all your care. Hmm. Hi written link. This is Julia from Miami and I’ve been watching you guys religiously since I was 14 and now I’m 24. And you have also gotten me through many hospital stays and hard times with my chronic illnesses. So just wanted to say thank you for all you do. My whole family loves you and we also saw you live in Tampa in 2019. My mom also listens to your biscuits, so if she’s hearing this. Hi mommy. 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