[Music] welcome to here biscuits I’m Rhett and I’m Linc it’s time for another conversation with someone interesting from the internet this week at the roundtable of dim lighting finally our guest one-half of the famed vlogbrothers Hank green course John Green who we talked to a few weeks ago author of Fault in Our Stars was on a near biscuit now we get Hank he spends all his time in Montana that’s where he lives so that’s right I haven’t been I’m never been to Montana I heard it’s got big sky and there’s moose up there I want to go but I haven’t made the trip up there so we have to catch him when he comes out here on the west coast now we were humble to find out that Hank said that he was a fan of your biscuits and we were like all right we want you to be on ear biscuits I mean we’ve always looked up to Hank for what he’s done in so many ways that I think will become evident when we sat down to craft this intro to kind of clue you in on who he is if you don’t know or don’t know everything we were just overwhelmed with the amount of achievements he’s had it you don’t really understand it until you just see it all listed out so just really quick just to remind you what he’s accomplished and he’s a humble guy he wouldn’t want us to sit here and go through these accolades but you need to know so you can just appreciate who he is and who it is we’re talking to he started the Eco geek web site that was his first online thing that became really well known but then he went on to start just a few YouTube channels you know the vlogbrothers crash course scishow scishow space lizzie bennet diaries the art assignment brain scoop how to adult his personal channel Hanks channel it’s called Hanks channel he doesn’t have one called personal channel it’s just it’s called Hanks channel there’s probably more that he’s done on YouTube well he’s also started VidCon the largest online video convention in the world he created foundation to decrease worldsuck which then creates the annual online charity event project for awesome which has raised millions of dollars for various charities he also co-founded the record label a merchandising company which we are a part dftba he’s released five albums musical albums including his latest incongruent with his band Hank green and the perfect strangers and he created solvable one of the first crowd funny sights for all my video project this is one thing I didn’t know he even invented 2d glasses that sounds like a joke you cannot it’s glass that’s for people who get wigged out when they’re watching 3d movies like it makes their head go crazy like his wife works you can watch it in 2d he’d like that well he’s purely a Renaissance man and it’s definitely evident in our conversation on this week’s ear biscuits y’all we talked to him about the awkward circumstances surrounding the first time he met his wife Catherine and a story that she herself has never heard we talk about nerdom sexuality and the surprising way that Hank and John chose to deal with the success of John’s novel and the movie so we finally get to complete the one-two punch of talking to the other vlog brother Hank green here it is our biscuit I think we we we are live what we’re not live this is streaming out to nobody yeah the conversation is live I do it on Ustream we are having it live right to each other yeah we’re all really here and we are living humans currently though someone may be listening to this after one or all of us has died if this comes out in the next week or so as it as it should yeah that’s a sad thought but if someone’s listening to it like yeah eons later right that’s that’s a really good thought yeah people could be listening to this ear biscuit in the year like 4020 that’s an interesting song if you’re listening in the year 4020 please leave a comment please leave a mental holographic comment yeah which is which is laughably commonplace in that many years from now there will be no differentiation between a digital experience in a physical experience I mean it won’t even be digitally be quantum a quantum experience sorry you can’t reach out and literally slap our face right now not right which you could probably do in the future and just to present the other side of this we’re dead but they could interact with our cadaver our captured bodies not our literal I think they might be able to pick up on the DNA signature just by the sound of our voice 2,000 years from now think about that for a second boys gonna happen are you subconsciously trying to prove to Hank that you’re actually smart of a little bit I don’t think that you could fingerprints mark I’m not comfortable with the idea I’ve listened to plenty of ear biscuits I know how smart you are oh well I’m not gonna say I’m sorry I was gonna say I’m interested interested interested interesting I’m interested okay curious I’m interested in you how is LA do you still smell of Missoula how long have you been here I did see on your Instagram the evidence of two trips to in and out in the first day in LA I did we went to in and out the moment we landed I got a I got a a cheeseburger the first time with grilled onions and the second time I got a cheeseburger animal style oh and what she prefer I preferred the animal style oh yeah yeah I’m all for the animal style I pick her on the mustard into the bun and it’s it could be a little much I mean when you live here you can be really picky you know what I am glad of that we don’t have in and out in Missoula because if we did I would eat it all the time and instead Achatz be a special thing yes one day is pretty special never done I haven’t been back since since the first day now I was if I have I have a weakness for it myself if I go a week without it like a bad week I try not to eat a lot of red meat right like it’s yeah it is bad in that way where I’m like you know I probably shouldn’t be all have you didn’t the 23andme thing oh the genome yeah yeah I don’t have my wife got wind that I don’t want my genome on record oh really yeah cuz you know what they’re gonna do to you know give me targeted advertising I’m just messing with you in a sailboat huh I can tell by looking at your jeans well I’ve got it too for me as a Father’s Day present no it is very cool and I’m gonna parently gonna get colon cancer oh I’m gonna get colon cancer too yeah fives yeah so uh I’ve cut seriously down on the red meat yeah I’ve tried to cut down on me a lot in general yeah I have all sort of colitis so I like very almost definitely will get colon cancer it’s um really my life if I live long enough you describe that and in a little bit more detail we just high-fived over colon cancer did you know that what happened in the room did happen so I mean well I mean what is pooping like and how long have you known about this problem I have had you see for I was diagnosed about 10 years ago and it’s painful and urgent is the technical term like cramping yeah so like if when I have to go to the bathroom I have to go to the bathroom kind of thing like run to the restroom yeah like if I’m on an airplane and it’s like during the times when you’re not supposed to go to the bathroom and your special badge for that had my wife did this for me I did not do it she had the plane stop what taxi oh so that I could go to the bathroom you can hold it can’t the car there’s no there’s no holding okay I mean how deep do want to get into gross because I’m like perfectly comfortable with this I’ve dealt with a lot of poo problems in my life for example it would be very difficult and during certain points of my life to fart without whooping okay which is a really sucky like way to live and then like I remember when I first got over that I was like so excited about arts how did how did you get over it medication medication yeah and just like the the feeling of farting without having to worry of show sharding yeah and my wife who does not typically enjoy my farts was like really into it with me which I really appreciate very cool Kathryn was like yeah that one sounded real good and I’m like yeah it was all air that one didn’t sound wet at all it was all methane and like you know there’s like I have come to appreciate farts in a very new way it was their fear of being in those situations where oh I’m just gonna crap my pants absolutely it’s like business meetings can be really weird when you’re like in the middle of a conversation and you’re like have to go and sometimes you want to sort of like lead with that and be like hey just so you know I have a medical condition where sometimes I have to run screaming out of the room does that that’s still the case sometimes yeah though it’s fairly well controlled like even now is there like a part of you that’s like well okay we’re sitting around this conversation no it could be an analyst there’s always a chance yeah talking about it does that induce it does it no like weird things do like stress does a calm which is like great and like oh yeah you know what I’m stressed out about the possibility that might poop myself that’s making me feel more likely to poop – right mm-hmm so I’m lucky to have a great job and I have great support in my family and so is that how you dealt with it with just positivity I’m a pretty positive guy in general but I I would say that I dealt with it with medication and also you know just sort of accepting that life has to be the way the life is like you don’t complain about the snow you don’t say like man snow if we could only get rid of snow we wouldn’t have as many car accidents and it would be cheaper we wouldn’t have to have so many plows all the time and we could drive and you wouldn’t have scrape your windshield off if only we could stop this no how do we do that but there’s an obvious bright side like snow have you found that with this condition it doesn’t really have a bright side you can’t square sled on it I think maybe character building or something popular video about it once so there’s got some views there’s always that there’s only that with any anything in a writer or youtubers life you’re always like well this is a good story yeah add revenue if there were if I had the choice 100% of the time I would choose to not have cheese sort of glad yeah the other scary part of it is that like the longer it’s active the higher your chances of getting cancer and you know you have to get colonoscopies all the time and those are no fun and then if you get cancer then you have to coal and removed and having a colon removed is really unpleasant a colonoscopy is a video have you thought about it is yeah maybe post in that will they give you a copy I think they probably would give me a copy okay that Katie Couric did then Katie Couric did do that yeah cuz she wanted to encourage people to get colonoscopies because colon cancer there’s one of the causes of death and it’s very treatable right how nerdy are you I mean cuz you’ve built a community around the word nerd nerdfighteria weird now and I and I’m like I have a hard time with it when I like I come to Los Angeles and and I get to hang out with the cool kids like you guys are pretty cool okay thank you and I’m like like Tyler Oakley is very cool in grace like grace is like specifically like not only are you very cool but you’re also like clearly the hot girl and so it’s very strange for me to like are like are you guys do you really want to hang out with like it doesn’t seem right and I’m 34 and I’m still thinking this so that’s one quantification that I’m still like I don’t think the cool kids should want to hang out with me okay so I’m I’m had I have a hard time accepting that they do despite the fact that it is clear that they do in an irrational sense I get that being a nerd is not defined by relative social strata it is a little bit defined by exclusion like that’s how I felt it when I was in high school like right I was a nerd because I was not allowed to hang out with the people who were of the higher social strata and you feel like in that sense it’s been corrupted a little bit with the the trendiness of nerdiness I don’t mind that there’s a there’s a little bit of like you know like you didn’t go through what I did to get that label so why do you why should you have it in like now it’s cooled and suddenly you want it to but I get that but that’s it’s not a good thought that’s not something that I want to feel you’re a legit nerd yeah you own that yeah but if you’re calling me someone in a that’s cool then is it not something that you wear as a badge is it is there still some insecurity associated with me calling you a nerd and saying oh you own that my assumption was that it was a badge of honor at this point yes there’s very little insecurity associated with the label now but the thing that was once called nerd is a thing that’s still inside me and that still is self-conscious so but as far as quantifying that I think that there’s that the bit where you’re quantifying like okay to be clear like people punched me for no reason because like I was the person who looked like the person you should punch you know and then and then there’s like the positive ways to quantify your nerdiness like I can tell you an awful lot about Star Trek The Next Generation mm-hmm and all and like weirdly I I have been self-conscious about being able to identify as a nerd because I’m afraid I don’t know certain nerdy things well enough I don’t know very much about Dungeons and Dragons for example I never played Dungeons & Dragons as a kid I’ve only played it as an adult and so I kind of feel weird about not having that D&D street cred who’s the supreme who what’s the standard who’s who where’s the biggest badge of honor yeah being a nerd and do you wrestle with being somewhere on that spectrum of oh I’m less than nerd I don’t want to be more know I I don’t know that I’m afraid of not being nerdy enough but I must sometimes afraid of being found in a situation where I don’t have street cred in that particular bit of a nerd realm cuz you feel like you should know you gotta know those things was like I made my friends play D&D with me a few years ago because I was like I need to know how this works got a lot of catching up to do to be able to participate in these conversations which is it’s just the the irony of nerdiness being characterized in your youth in feeling kind of left out like you’re not part of something yeah but then feeling the same way about nerd culture now not crazy because it’s not really about nerd culture it’s about the human condition well you’re always gonna feel left out of something you’re always gonna like inadequate like feeling inadequate is like if you don’t feel that you’re probably a little broken yeah it’s it’s gonna come up every once in a while right there’s nothing worse than feeling left out of the thing that you feel like you should be in yeah I do like sometimes find myself reading more young adult novels than I would otherwise do in order to like be into the nerdy things that my audience is into mm-hmm but mostly I read sci-fi novels because that’s what I like do you enjoy it and it’s not I’m not reading sci-fi novels to look like a cooler nerd a more nerdy nerd I’m reading them because like I freaking love it what about below you on the spectrum though there’s people that you see there aren’t really nerds who are like trying to get in on the nerd right yeah how do you interact with that I just sort of saved more power to it the thing about being a nerd is it’s more than just a cultural identifiers it’s also like there are things about being nerdy that are good for humans like being enthusiastic and excited and if you’re enthusiastic and excited that’s good because I’m tired of people being all cynical and ironic all the time hmm that you know like nerdiness is about knowing things about the world and I think if more people don’t know more things more objectively true things that’s a good thing for everybody but I do see sometimes I’m feeling a little bit like maybe this person just wants to like look the look and bandwagon atre nerd poster don’t really feel it but you know Who am I to tell who that person is or how they’re feeling and like what they you know what they actually experience because a lot of that’s just gonna be based on what they look like which is not true very little to do with anything well and for you what part nature what part nurture is your nerd you parents your parents nerdy my dad’s my dads can’t see two inches in front of his face without his glasses his glasses way more than a small dog and so his neck is huge it’s got a great neck your dad is one of the nicest people I’ve ever met so nice yeah we just we we just met him in passing at VidCon right uh yeah I have great parents my mom is also amazing she’s a little bit less nerdy but we did me and my mom watch x-files together mm-hmm which is a pretty nerdy show and she was super into that my dad and I watched Doogie Howser MD together Doogie Howser was an important role model okay did you have a computerized journal before anyone else had computerized journals I did I did have a computer Journal I think starting in 1995 maybe could you give me just a paraphrase of something that you might have written in a journal and is very angsty it would probably have have read something like people are so fake they say hi to each other in the hall like it matters [Laughter] Wow yeah no you he was a tough few is that hypothetical or are you actually accessing em Bo I’m remembering write it like I write typing that I’m not remembering writing it I’m rereading it later remembering and reading it once I got to college and like found those files yeah man always curious if he still had the files no I don’t I don’t I lost a great deal of my terrible terrible ramblings which there goes the rationale of doing it that way at all you should have printed it off on that printer with the dots on the side for the transfer the transfer of information is different now you know back there was this floppy disk right I mean it was on a hard drive it was on a hard drive yet still I think how you connect to anything else right now it is you know you’re basically trusting Google not to lose your email and they better not or else we will be very angry yeah if they don’t lose your email then you can probably say most of your data is safe in Google’s hands so do you remember the first time that you were slapped with the label of nerd and it hurt because that’s what I seem to have been accessing earlier I remember when I hit middle school that suddenly I wasn’t cool anymore and that they’re like the thing that I was it wasn’t just that I I wasn’t coolest that the thing that I was in elementary school which was cool which was smart and knowing stuff and doing well on tests was suddenly not cool anymore and was this still in was this in Montana no I grew up in Orlando did you do the boarding school thing no who stayed back yes dude in a couple of videos when you talk about sexuality sometimes on vlogbrothers okay I’m talking about this and then you kind of give more of this is what’s behind this for me personally mm-hmm so you would talk about trying to reach a conclusion about your own sexuality sexual orientation and then you said that I might be a little bi yeah but so was I mean was everything up for grabs at that point in it just a bunch of confusion I remember it so so my sexual journey I’m I’m pretty damn straight when it comes down to it but I was for a little bit terrified that I might be gay which I knew was a bad thing which of course isn’t but I knew that it was because I liked to ice skate and I liked the Village People and so I thought that that meant that I might be gay so you don’t like them together having no I like to ice skate to the village okay well then yeah you were gay I was like remember like I broke out in a cold sweat cuz I was like yeah and I was like you realized it maybe I’m gay and I was but this had nothing to do with being attracted to a man but I dude I did I the the men that I have been attracted to I think it requires two things one for me to be pretty what’s the good Randy and be like well that guy but i’ms really it’s like well really anything and to it to be a fairly effeminate yeah that guy looks like a girl that guy looks like a cute girl okay so I I think that like during middle school I was just terrified that I might be gay and during high school I was just like well I’m outcast so I might as well embrace the outcast miss in whatever way is available to me so if some guy wanted to make out I’d tried that I went to a very large high school and so there were a lot of social groups there are a lot of different groups of people you could be a part of that had very different aesthetics and very different values and so the group I was ended up being a part of was very weird and silly and non-traditional and and really into that and this only happened in senior of high school when I was able to like embrace this stuff and the silliness was really an important part of it but so was not the like the traditional way of looking at things we want to see what parts of the world are just made up and what parts are real so that that was actually really great for me what parts of the world were real and what partially made it so so what what did you discover was not real well I mean I was 17 so yeah but you know you start to realize that a certain point in your life that the world doesn’t have to be the way that the world is and that’s sort of like at 16 year old seventeen year old realization and I think it happens earlier when you’re more outside of culture like we listen to Hanson which was for high school students crazy right like Hanson was for kids so it was intentionally ridiculous we’re like Hanson that’s weird like that would be a weird thing high school kids still Institue and then like after the Hanson song you listen to a Marilyn Manson song like like let’s be like intentionally ridiculous for sure we named we renamed all the days of the week we went and hung out at like you know four in the morning and cemeteries one night and the next night we’d be in a playground at 4:00 in the morning and one of the group had a very non-supervisory dad it just sort of always one stayed in his room and never came out and we would just dance and sing and stay up and play a vacuum-cleaner fights and nobody ever made out with anybody which i think was like hugely important to the success of this social group right I thought you were getting at one time you made out with one guy to see if you were gay we never made out I was in I was ready to go there but it didn’t happen but you said in that vlog which I found to be interesting I can’t remember the guy who he was helping you added something and Damon Oh Stefan yeah it seems like you really put him on the spot about his sexuality but then you’re the one who came out I said I’m a little bi and I couldn’t tell if you thought that was a joke or if you were just being honest I think I’m a little bi and that like sometimes I think guys are kind of cute I think we might probably all be a little bi but like I think the idea of there being three labels for what your sexuality is is kind of ridiculous insofar as like if you’re gonna give me one of those three labels I think it’s ridiculous to give me the label of like a hundred percent one thing all the time forever cultures full it’s constantly whispering rules in your ear about what you should want about who you should want about how you should live your life and like how you should fill the holes of need inside you and like strip it down and maybe say like not just like how do I fill those holes but like where did they come from what are they what like why do I want asking what why do I want is far more useful in the end and asking what do I want because there’s a lot of freedom there mmm when you realize like this thing that’s driving me nuts really and yeah Orlando is not my favorite place no offense people who live in Orlando but I’m glad to not live there anymore what did you get out of there I moved to when I went to college and to 1998 I went to st. Petersburg and then and 2003 I moved to Montana okay so st. Petersburg College and what did you study there I studied biochemistry and also liberal arts because you had to I had an art minor actually when I looking back on that I’m very glad that I did science like that I got a degree in science and I’m also very glad that I went to liberal arts school where I could learn a lot of different weird things and like take a class on economics and take a class on religious studies and you know did you find a group of people there kind of like that formative group senior year in high school where you were asking and answering questions and determining who you were and what you were gonna believe about yourself and life and people yeah I definitely found a very good group of people at college really quick and our experience was one of like silliness like feeling this is like one of the most important attributes to me what’s the silliest thing you remember from the college years I mean this is still before videos right yeah I mean though we did make some videos in high school which hopefully I’ll never see the light of day oh yeah I would I would love to see them but I would not love for the internet to see them yes silliest thing we did in college oh we did Rocky Horror a lot we went to see Rocky Horror Picture Show so you would get dressed up yeah and we actually the characters did a Rocky Horror Show at school I was in a cast I was Rocky Katherine my wife was Janet so that’s where you met Katherine yeah yeah we were we lived very near by each other what was that first meeting the first time I remember meeting Katherine like actually like remember seeing her this is terrible was at night and she was wearing a t-shirt and no bra it may have been a little chilly something I’ve never told my wife that this is like my four earliest from memory of her first movie yeah and she was like out in the hallway she had just come out of her her room and I said like a few words – what did you say like you sure no no I don’t know what we were talking nice shirt remember her boobs okay fine that’s what I remember so now you’re really you’ve never told her this yeah but you’re telling us really admit it to myself e we’re gonna have to give you some brownie points some way to make up for that now okay so and then what you started dating uh not not immediately no we we had a weird earlier relationship how some guys her roommate was excitedly in a new relationship upon getting to college and that made things a little uncomfortable for Kathryn and so I offered or she asked I think if she could sleep in my room and she slept in my room for weeks with nothing happening and then one night something happened did you have a roommate also yeah Derek so then Derek had to leave no we were more subtle than her so you guys and you guys jacked up as friends and then hooked up and then it’s all history from there well there have been many things that have happened since then we broke up like twice whose fault was that well the she was going back home I was going back home and it was like wow that’s just about your decision yeah and then we came back and we we weren’t together for a while because it was weird and then we were and then we broke up for a little while while we lived in Missoula which was really hard after we moved to Missoula together what moved you there and then tell us when the just clue me in to win the video when the vlog brothers sat 2.0 started happening so was it after that yeah okay so yeah so what moved you get you graduated and moved together you guys were like a couple we we graduated four I got a job doing chemistry I didn’t love it and Katherine had a job too in Florida and then she got accepted into the University of Montana and their environmental studies program and she got a full free year there you know and we had been living like doing sort of a long-distance thing and she was gonna go over there and I was like well either this relationship is over which I don’t want it to be or I moved to Montana and I was like well I don’t like my job and I don’t really like for it and Montana sounds weird so let’s do that and that was like it’s such a like looking back like crazy decision but I have always been a little bit of whatever kind of person like I’d like I’d like dislike decisions don’t seem that important to me you know like options available X okay go so it wasn’t as much a testimony to your relationship as it was to it’s just a viable option loved her a lot okay cuz those could have been your brownie points right there Hank even like I loved her madly deeply forever and I had to be with her it was a done deal I’m not a whimsical guy but Montana I’m not a whimsical guy I love silliness I love this moment and so many people’s story knowing who you are and knowing what you do and how many things you have done and how many things you are doing right now to know that there was a time in which you were moving to Montana without an idea of what you were gonna do yeah was that mentality which now I feel like you’re the guy who has to be doing something or else you’ll go nuts right well yeah was that emerging at that point oh yeah I was already doing that I was already like all the time coming up with ideas and doing weird things when I like during that period of time after college when I lived in Florida working at that lab I started a website called I hate I 4.com I forced the road that runs through Orlando and it’s terrible and everyone hates it so I was like let’s start a website we’re gonna talk about transportation policy it’s I hate i-4 calm and I like stole road signs like political campaign road signs and and I spray-painted I hate I for calm on them I had a stencil and then I put him out like on the on ramps and exits a marketing campaign yeah and then like literally within the day the local news was calling me we had a sponsor and we made like 200 bucks and like the server bill got really expensive but like to me it was like yeah doing a thing and I and it was a political yes it wasn’t just a forum for people to vent to be clear on the website really it was mostly just people yelling about different genders or races or age groups that were worse drivers yeah what you funds but you’ve you’ve fostered a community and you found yourself a spokesman for something I mean this is certainly a template yeah that carries on and this may not have been the first example and it certainly won’t be the last so how did you abandon that when you moved to Montana to Montana and I remember being like oh my god I have to like leave I hit I 4.com behind I’m like and like I got I had so many emails I haven’t thought about this in a decade but I remember like getting to Missoula and thinking I’m still gonna run I hate I for calm in Missoula and then and then within like a week realizing that it but like it’s always been important to me to have something that I’m doing and keep my brain occupied and so like that site was good for doing that in the space between figuring out what I was gonna do in Missoula and so when you got to Missoula hey what did you do to make money and be what did you do that was the next I hate I for calm at first I applied for jobs which was a long process I also just walked into a couple television stations and I was like I have experience doing TV stuff and camera stuff and graphic stuff if you need that and one of them put me on as a contract like occasional camera operator which I did camera operation is super fun and local markets because you just get to go to weird things and they’re like you need to be here at this time then you’re like okay and then you watch this weird thing happen whatever thing it’ll is worthy that day it’s a good way they like didn’t get to know a community because you get to go out all the things that you would never go to like all the community events and then I started to think probably I should go back to school so the second semester we were there I took a couple classes I took one environmental writing course in one microbiology course and I decided to go the non science route and like really like at that point I was thinking I could set myself up to write about science which is something I’d always wanted to do I like have always been a huge fan of science communicators like Carl Sagan and the writing staff of Star Trek The Next Generation and you know Beakman’s world and Bill Nye and that sort of thing mr. wizard all really cool things to me and I had a subscription to Scientific American thanks to my dad from the time I was like 12 so and I was always like found that to be unquestionably very cool and whatever that cool word means so I really enjoyed that class I took anything took the GREs and I did well and then I got into the program with no problem and I Slyke was a year behind Kathryn in the same program she was in but I focused on writing while she focused on policy and then in the graduate program I went in for environmental writing I started eco geek org which was my environmental technology blog this seed for him the cause of environmentalism was that something that your dad fostered from a young age yeah probably because my dad was actually the Florida State Director of the Nature Conservancy for a long time when I was growing up and that was obviously an important household topic and in Florida is a beautiful and wonderful place to attempt to protect and a very difficult place to actually protect because it is also a wonderful place to build houses in theme parks and theme parks and targets and you know but for you starting eco geek this is a big thing for you right well that kind of came from going through the environmental studies program at the University of Montana which was a big pile of like here are the worst things that are happening in the world and we have to activate ourself to fix them mm-hmm and me feeling powerless and terrible and like we can talk about this all day long but like I’m into science and a lot of this conversation is about how bad the things that science has brought us are and so I feel like we’re sort of fighting against maybe one of the greatest tools that we have in this fight like we’re pushing against science when science could easily be like the most effective possible solution to the problems we’re facing and I as a person who was into that it seemed very uncomfortable and angering and annoying which I still deal a little bit with and the environmental movement so I found myself going home and like googling you know what’s what’s the future of paper are we gonna use trees in 20 years what’s the future of energy what’s the future of cars what’s the future of air travel like and and feeling better about the world like we can fix things we’ve done it over and over again we reach our carrying capacity then we push through it we’re finally starting to see an end a potential end to the growth in the human population like not in the next year or anything but it’s probably gonna happen and at that point we can find a balance potentially if we continue to develop technology but if we don’t do that we will actually be in trouble if we fight against the only tool that we have to make it all work but these are the type of things that that you are moving from just reading about and becoming encouraged to then saying I’m gonna be a part of writing about this and create a forum in a solution I don’t know if it’s technically a forum but you know what I mean my professor at the time John Webber has said you know we’re gonna like it the class was called starting a magazine and it’s like start it like you want to find something that you’re obsessed with and that you really into because you’re gonna be thinking about this 24 hours a day and I was like well what’s that thing for me and then I like looked at my google search history and I was like this environmental technology technology that will make our impact on the environment less significant so that’s what that’s what I started my blog about and it became a thing that was like my job for a while and at that point I guess you were experimenting with web video and so there was a natural no evolution into YouTube like how did that start there was no natural evolution I was getting bored with the Eco geek I was getting bored with writing sensationalist headlines to try and get clicks to try and get out impression it to try and get money and I didn’t want to do that anymore but I also saw like if I don’t do that anymore will I be able to pay the bills so I was feeling like probably I was gonna have to have another thing and John my brother was like what do you think about the idea of maybe doing a YouTube show like videos and editing videos and we’d talk to each other on the camera and and we and I was like yes a thing a new thing yes absolutely we should get bad dad to buy us cameras for Christmas and these are the ones we should get and make sure we both have iMovie on our Macs and I’ve tested it out and so dad gave you both a camera for Christmas Canon Elora 100s so then January 1st your video goes up first yeah and of course we talked to John his video went up the day after but he put it up on the wrong channel so it’s a little confusing we’re not quite sure how YouTube works at this point yeah but so in your first video I found it interesting that it’s kind of presented as if it’s your idea I don’t think that was intentional no I did not mean to imply that but but you were very gung-ho I mean when John posts his first Brotherhood 2.0 it’s like I don’t know what I’m doing or this is gonna be very bad at this yeah yeah but you seem to be much more gung-ho and I’m sort of a more excitable guy than John I get really into new ideas like really and a new idea and you were kind of fostering it were kind of prompts at the beginning like okay we got to get this thing off the ground you’re kind of giving him some tracks to run on helping your brother out well you should probably post it on the right channel and we let’s talk about our differences here’s something we can go with kind of a thing yeah I mean he did that too I mean and we it was clear to me watching those videos that we wanted other people to watch them it’s not like we just were making a youtube show where we were gonna talk to each other John was like you know what we should do we should eat toilet paper while talking about the political situation in Nepal right and it’s like as a punishment no that was alright that wasn’t a partisan idea I’m decided that that would be a good idea right like you know we can talk about how we didn’t really think that it was gonna be popular we didn’t really think it was gonna be popular of course we didn’t like YouTube as it exists now is unthinkable to 2007 YouTube but but you were thinking overlaying an audience larger than yourselves how do we get people to watch this and did you assume a character I think as soon as the camera turns on and you’re not a professional performer you’re a character like you immediately start acting different when there’s a camera on so yeah there’s a character there in that like you’re being self-conscious and you’re thinking about your thoughts more and you’re thinking about your face and your presentation and where you’re talking more and then you’re nervous and like so there’s difference but if you watch the early videos it’s a very different character than the one I have now which is more similar to me actually because that guy was like putting on a thing because obviously me as I am not interesting enough so let’s try something else he was funny and you’re still funny but I mean it’s you know it’s I mean we said I mean we we’re very different than the videos we made and a lot of those like you said are not anywhere for anyone to see what you know and it’s interesting how so many things have sort of synthesized it with your interests and your passions and your knowledge with this medium and it seems like one of the things that characterizes so many of the things that you do you really want people to know things not in a preachy kind of way or like I’m gonna teach you guys or I’m gonna take you to school but I think about it in the context of you know with what we do it isn’t that you don’t ever learn something from a good mythical morning or whatever there is a fascination factor but our primary objective is to entertain and I think people kind of get that yours is equally entertaining but I feel like you have a passion for people to get things for things to sink in yeah to enjoy the ever-present game of knowing oh yeah that’s a good Hank Hank green quote yeah I am super into that because I love it when people do that to me I love it when someone explains something to me in a way where I finally get it this is now a thing that I will always have in my head a greater understanding of how the universe works knowing what is actually true about something is empowering it seems like everything that you touch on you’re trying to give people knowledge that they can be equipped to then do what I think understanding the world is its own reward in a lot of ways in the past we got to have that provided for us like a certainty which i think is just really inaccessible now you know religion provides for a lot of people and I’m often envious of this that kind of certainty that kind of like I understand not just what the world is but my place in it and what I should do and how I should operate and when you break that down when you when you don’t have that you can feel like you’re lost and like you’re just sort of tumbling and when it comes to like why you’re here we don’t have a great answer for that there really like in my opinion isn’t one like there’s no cosmic purpose to any individual human life but if you understand your connection to other people and if you understand yourself not just sort of like how I think and how I feel the like why I think and why I feel and that for me has really allowed me to like understand that like I have a reason in any given moment if I feel lost I can touch on that reason and feel like that’s still that’s still there and like that’s a weird thing to come to from a place of like I want people to understand all of the universe and and I want to be able understand like why shoes fall when you drop them and I want people to understand like what wood is made out of – like I also want people to understand that they have a thing called humanity that has not just cultural needs but like real objective intrinsic needs this quest for knowledge do you think that there is a point in which we attain the knowledge from an objective standpoint that then answer some of those questions as you so you don’t feel upside down or out of place where you find purpose in the endless knowledge yeah no I mean I think I don’t think that like necessarily science does that but I think that under psych that observation can lead an individual human to find that for themselves and I think that that’s happened for me to find her path maybe not purpose but to find the thing that that shows you which way is up that like you can always touch on to say here is the thing that makes sense for why I’m here and like I guess purposes is an acceptable word and this is an interesting difference between you and John yeah yeah you know he’s been really totally open about his background we talked with him and the interesting thing is that you guys are so in lockstep about so many things and when we asked him this question about how does this you know he considers himself to have faith in God and you don’t mm-hmm but yet so you call yourself an atheist right the see this is important so I don’t believe there’s a god but I’m not comfortable saying that there is no God because I’ve had people ask me is there a God and I’m like well like I can’t like Wow so that’s a very different question then I don’t then do you believe there’s a god but where were you going with your question yeah with with Jeff we asked him how you guys interact about that his answer was well we don’t really specifically about that issue because we care about the same things you you guys are oriented in the same way you want to decrease worldsuck in the same way and the motivation seems to come from maybe different areas but you when you all is said and done you’re doing the same thing yeah and I think that we like we have the same values it I mean it’s like not important where the values come from it’s important what the values are so do you have a sort of a pact that’s like we’re not going to discuss that or is it all the time you do okay and and what what was the tone of that conversation like usually it’s it’s more like curiosity mm-hmm and like you know like maybe a little bit of like what is that giving you like I find myself often those being jealous of religion like it’s a it’s an amazing community organizer it’s the reason why Republicans give more to charity than Democrats and I’m like we’d like obviously secular people need something to make them give money because like that’s frustrating to me like that like right I think people would maybe ask you why do you want to decrease worldsuck if you’re not doing it for God well I mean what I find that question very funny so who are you doing it for the people who suffer I mean I think that’s a terrible thing to think like like the only reason I want to help people is so I don’t burn forever what a terrible way to look at the world well let’s let’s talk a little bit more about about your brother because it has been obviously an incredible year yeah for him we talked a lot about that on his appear biscuit and we want to get your perspective on some of those same questions because even in that I guess it was your second video post you were talking about how people compared you to him that’s true you know ed that was yeah I’m always impressed by how much research you guys do well that was that was the first thing you chose to talk to him and the audience that you were just let’s talk about how we’re different because people always talk to me about what I’m not that you are or vice versa you know what did I say he said that he was pudgy and that you you would you had become pudgy over the next few years that’s a good joke you said that it was a good comedy bed it really was and then you turn it into a bit about basically it was your confession of spilling coffee on Katherine’s computer here he would he would never do that or a beer yeah and then not telling her and then waiting to the next morning and just replacing the battery and didn’t hoping that it works because he didn’t want to have to tell her what happened John would never do that yeah insinuating that you did do that [Laughter] what happens when your brother has this monstrously successful novel which turns into a monstrously successful movie and you’re saying I’m not monstrously successful is that what you’re implying he’s saying what does it feel like to be the inadequate brother saying when you haven’t done those things specifically it impacts me not at all like I don’t see like that doesn’t feel like a thing in my life that tension doesn’t feel like a thing in my life John’s success is like a thing to deal with that we have to think about and that changes maybe some of the ways that he thinks about our projects there are often times when John’s like why would we do that and I was like because of money and he’s like I forgot about money [Laughter] I’m not there forgot about money so there are ways that has changed John and like and so I have like I have to think about that and that and I wouldn’t say any of it is negative I don’t think that it’s changed John in any negative ways except that he’s possibly maybe a little more anxious but as far as the tension of success goes I have people ask me about that a lot and my parents have it as well like they’re like how how does how does Hank feel about not being you know being in his brother’s shadow and like on vlogbrothers I’m not at all I don’t feel at all in my brother’s shadow I don’t think nerdfighteria thinks about it that way at all I don’t think people come into it and they’re like well I like John’s videos but Hanks just yeah you just have to wade through those frankly my videos are more entertaining and I’m better at making video than he is and he will agree he’s a better writer than I am but also at the same time he’s focusing more and like I can tell he’s doing this intentionally on the boring stuff and he’s letting me do more exciting videos to make sure that people like they’ll watch John’s videos cuz he’s John but then they get to be like oh thank goodness I hain’t video I get to not have to think about Ethiopia for a nap like you say you can tell like when you post a video there’s no coordination in terms of I’m tackling this so don’t you can leave this one there’s a little coordination some time I mean on the average day I have no idea what John’s video is gonna be about and you watch it along with everyone else yeah I sigh so for example the one that went up today the day were recording this I did know what it was gonna be about but that’s because he wanted me to look over the script because it had science in it are there days when for both of you it would be a surprise but you just don’t get around to watching your brothers video there might be a day where that happened you’ll catch up in fact today is a day when that happened I haven’t watched that video yet one I’ve read the script so I know it’s about but I will watch it it’s just that I’ve been driving around La all day if ever I get to the point where I don’t watch one of John’s videos that’s the day I just we might as well not have the channel anymore yeah like because like that’s the thing he like he’s making a video for me mm-hmm and if I’m not watching it one that’s just bad brother right there and to like it’s like it abandons the idea of what it is and the idea of what it is remains very important that we are making videos for each other even though of course we recognize and communicate with the broader audience like I will say something that John already knows and I won’t say it to John and I’ll say it to the audience but John remains the most important member of the audience and I think that that’s like that’s the way it has to be for Vlach where this to be what it is when you guys decided that you were going to when you realized that the success was happening stars who instigated the conversation to be like alright we should probably talk about this and how we’re gonna manage this I don’t know it was definitely a conversation we had but I think that it was I think it might have just come up early when we were like this is turning into a movie and the movie might be very successful and like that sort of came up in conversation and if it is then what’s like that the way John and I don’t have agenda so when we call each other on the phone like right like right down bullet points or anything occasionally but not agree yeah I mean we knew that there was a chance that this would be something that we would have to manage and it turned out to be something that we did have to think actively about mm-hm and it was definitely a conversation that involved both of us and concluded with we do not want to capture the wave this is not a wave we want to ride to not see it as okay this is the opportunity to take vlogbrothers to a whole new level this is not as what we got to do I think it was too big if we caught that wave it would change our community it would have changed our community what would you have had to do to catch the wave yeah we would have had immediately obvious to me what she would change oh yeah I mean like we were encouraged on several fronts to have The Fault in Our Stars sort of become the narrative of the vlog where there’s channel for a long time before and after the movie came out just – you guys are just talking about the whole maybe experience also I think sort of more demographically aimed and making that kind of content and collaborating with those like people who who have that demographic watching their shows and I think if we hadn’t used that strategy have you know a tremendous amount of subscriber growth and we didn’t do that very intentionally because we didn’t want we didn’t want to have our audience double but have our audience double with entirely an entirely new kind of viewer right that would have been terrifying we wouldn’t know what our channel was anymore because like the people who are watching content are just as important as the people who are making the content in terms of what kind of content ends up getting made so we want to keep making the same kind of content we’ve always made so we not only did we avoid creating content specifically for Pete for fans of the movies who might be coming in for the first time as lab reviewers we sort of double down on what nerdfighteria was and on what our kind of content was I mean there’s a number of things that you’ve invested in that are equally is phenomenal as the success of the novel or the book and those things are maybe not equally as phenomenal well there’s there’s a phenomenon in mass cultural success of a story that is very difficult to duplicate in any other way and that like that cultural importance is so awesome I’m very proud of John and like that’s an accomplishment that very few people get to have and I think that he doesn’t either he doesn’t recognize it or he doesn’t want to because of how important it is for a lot of people and as how like important it will be for their whole lives like John has a number of authors that have impacted him tremendously and he is going to be that for a lot of people and I think that that’s true of vlog brothers as well but it is not like not in the same way as The Fault in Our Stars mm-hmm at the same magnitude but I mean when you look at things like how much money has been raised through project for awesome or the benefits of an event like VidCon yeah they’re so instrumental to shaping a whole genre of entertainment mm-hm and so I guess I make the point that these other things that you’ve created or yeah and I’m extremely of the things that that like I’ve done personally I’m like and also like it’s not really about pride it’s about doing something that I think is important and interesting and like that is hard you do so many things I mean what what’s the thing that if you had to have only done one of them what was the thing you couldn’t let go of so marriage okay there you go you got a top of mind that was good got it back professionally not personally log brothers vlog brothers log brothers vlog with every department all of the other things don’t like wouldn’t have been possible and and wouldn’t matter without nerdfighteria I mean like that channel is the coolest thing that ever happened to me do you guys agree that the thing that you do for a living is so cool yeah yeah yeah it’s living a dream it is it really is it’s great so I’m just I’m infinitely grateful to all the people who care about that channel and also who care about the institution as a community and care about us as individual creators and care about each other as as members of that thing so cool so cool fixed because of VidCon know what you’ve done is that you’ve you’ve aligned everyone who’s trying to do anything that makes them a youtuber which is such a broad term yeah you’re like the friendly uncle of every youtuber and I’m glad you think so because of VidCon do you watch everyone’s content because it seems to me that you really know and care about youtubers like Oh Jenna’s getting flak on Good Morning America who’s gonna write a blog post about it to set him and put him in their place Hank Green’s gonna do that friendly VidCon uncle how do you see your role in that capacity I would love to be friendly uncle I if in like I am really into online video I think a lot of people came into this with the sort of like aspirations that involved entertainment I had none of those I’m had a little bit of a maybe I wanted to do science communication but that world continues to be boring to me and at that point it was just opaque or like I hadn’t even considered it existed and so like being a part of the early days of YouTube is like that’s like I think one of the coolest things that that will be a part of my life and I thought from like day two that YouTube was going to be it not was gonna be was already a huge deal like a huge culturally important deal because I mean I was always obsessed with the culture of the internet and YouTube was a big part like early u2 was a big part of the culture of the internet so I I’ve always been obsessed with it and I’ve always thought that it mattered and it seems like only recently even the people who are involved in it even the people who do it for a living only recently have they come a lot of them come to accept that it is important whereas from like like 2010 when I started VidCon I thought it was late for a conference 2007 when I started making YouTube videos I thought I was late to YouTube like I’m looking at the the the dimming of the table here and I’m like I see all these names and I like to me what this looks like isn’t is not a table with a bunch of signatures on it it’s like a thing that’s gonna be in a museum someday I believe completely irrationally in the deep importance of online video culturally hmm like I think it’s as important as like the printing press which I know it’s not but I think it is and it’s interesting that you but you find yourself being the champion of people who youtubers who are just in it to scratch their entertainment niche I mean that’s not what that’s what we really like that’s not what it’s about it’s not about like am I just getting it using this as a stepping stone it’s about they’re making great content I don’t care if they’re using this stepping stone I care if they’re making great content I care if they’re doing something interesting something different something cool what trends do you see in all our video that trouble you um the thing that makes me the most angry in all the world is watching people who suck get really rich off of people who are cool like yeah and then the other thing that really pisses me off is that people are too nice to call them out on it which I am doing right now right we can’t say anything bad about anybody this yeah industry yeah it doesn’t work doesn’t go over well it would work if we all did it I asked that question all the time like when I’m when I’m so it’s like sort of getting into a new area of YouTube likes a Minecraft gamers or you know acapella musicians I’m like so just to like just tell me who’s the like who’s the because you know that there is one right and I know that you all hate them but you’re not going to tell me and he’s first of all you’re assuming you’re not talking to him that’s true but I’d I’d pick carefully okay yeah the person I asked that question too and what are they no one ever says no say privately no they won’t they’re too nice and they know and they and they don’t just know that that person is you know only motivated by money they know that that person has done bad things to people and I feel the same way I know people who have done bad things to people and I don’t talk about it because it’s not something you’re supposed to talk about and I find it very frustrating it’s and it’s a thing like that like the snow that I feel like this is a problem that we have to work around but boy does it make me want to not have that problem anymore I’d so want that problem to go away but yes I’m a little surprised that that’s what you said I mean I really thought your answer was gonna be related to well you know the established entertainment industry is gonna come in you ask me a really great question I answered with the thing I hate the most in the world I probably shouldn’t have done but I maybe just really wanted to have that rant I just had but let’s go with at random because I mean you tweeted I suppose I feel somewhat alienated from the idea of what a quote youtuber is that’s it makes me wonder if that’s something I want to be that was a moment of weakness I shouldn’t have tweeted that but you did tweet it so explain it and that and that that is that the the word youtuber means different things to different people but I had at that moment heard the word youtuber used probably 12 times in a row in describing teen idols and I have nothing against teen idols I’m not saying to make bad content I’m not saying that they like but the enthusiasm of twelve-year-old girls is like a problem like but that’s what a youtuber is is a like I kept hearing it used in that way good-looking guy vlogger that girls swoon over yeah equals youtuber period yeah and like and I think that is what that word means to a lot of people and I worry that that’s gonna be what that word means to the mainstream like that would not be fun for me because then we need a new word you guys but I think I think that I’m still like absolutely hundred percent youtuber the other thing is that people who work for YouTube YouTube employees call themselves youtubers and I’m like I know you guys know that’s ours I am very proud to be a youtuber and I think I’m a youtuber anything always be a youtuber maybe the word creator is sort of like let like it’s certainly more vague but but maybe more appropriate for use in certain situations but I think that online video is a thing that will always be a thing like radio is a thing that will always be a thing like plays are a thing that will always be a thing I think it’s a it’s a new form of media it isn’t just it’s not a genre it’s as different from TV as TV is different from radio and it’s weird to have a word for that thing that’s the name of a website but I’m perfectly happy with it like to me when I say youtuber what I think of is people who make content on YouTube and people watch it and and like that’s anybody it people who don’t know you watch it that’s what a youtuber is and you’re concerned about them making content is actually good I thought your concern was gonna be that the power will be taken from the individual and would just wind up in the hands of the gatekeepers of traditional entertainment we were gonna go down that path I guess I am but only insofar as it is something that’s going to happen and I’m not going to enjoy it if you’re not gonna give us hope that the YouTube is gonna friendly uncle Hank it’s not give us hope I mean when I was in the panel let me say when I was on the panel at VidCon called the future of online entertainment yeah what’s been a weird thing happened to me sitting in the seat you wet yourself on the pants I peed myself at one point I thought my eyes might be welling up yeah and I’m being serious I’m not joking I felt like wow we have enough success as youtubers to maybe be able to help affect what the future of this is right and you kind of think yeah we’re helping invent this and we’re racking our brains constantly to yes to be successful yes to be entertaining and we did know this but it kind of hit me harder for some reason at that moment that we have power to help shape the opportunity that other people have to follow in our footsteps to live their dreams yeah so I’m hoping that you would give us some positivity right uncle Hank associated with keeping the you in YouTube writing the man comes in to take the power they can’t take all of it like that like the cool thing about YouTube is that there is no barrier to entry I mean there is you have to have a camera and an internet connection and ideally a way to edit a video and as long as that’s the case people will be doing things that mainstream media will not get but will be very popular and that is going to cause media to evolve far more quickly than it has in the past genres are created now as fast as television shows used to be created and it’s a beautiful thing and so that is that threatened it’s not what I mean when I say that that this is a foregone conclusion is that in the future there will be YouTube channels and there will be youtubers who are basically run by Hollywood and though it’s gonna be less magical than it is now and it already is less magical now than it was a few years ago and I have always wanted to and a will always use the power of VidCon to encourage what I see as legitimate online video but at the same time I think that it’s important to like recognize the path of power and the path of and like people will follow money people will do things for money and money will be easier to come by when you’re talking to a Hollywood studio that is used to throwing down ten million dollars on something there’s a funny thing that people in Hollywood will will say this this phrase that I hear frustratingly frequently real money and real money is implying that the money that you and I used to buy our cars and houses and and gasoline is not real real money is when like you can no longer breathe because of all the hundred-dollar bills that they’ve stuffed around you well let’s let’s shift it in on a positive note what are you most excited about I think online video is gonna continue being like super huge and super big and super diverse and lots of interesting new things will keep on happening and I think that the mainstream will always be a step behind and I think that is the cool part and I think that like right now what you’re doing with good mythical that to me seems like the mainstream is a year or two behind this and this kind of format is gonna be popular like it’s gonna be a genre I think right now you guys are making a genre of video that has never been created before and I think that that’s amazing but I don’t think it’s at all unique it might not even be exceptional there’s so many things happening and it’s easy to forget that like five years ago there wasn’t anybody doing this who had an employee right and and now finally we’re starting to get to the point where you know like there was this weird moment where YouTube was like dump money on people and see what you do and and it didn’t work because they went from we went from like having just me doing the writing and directing and editing and talent and and you know graphics and everything right it turns out dumping money on people actually hurts yeah it’s physically painful especially if you use coins which I don’t know why they did that so instead of going from just like one person doing all those things he went to having ten people and and one person did each one of those things which was a bad decision what we should have done is had two people instead which I think is one of the reasons why so many popular YouTube channels are two person teams who started out as either brothers or whatever the heck you guys are friends not quite little more than that but that sounds weird old married couple desk friends yeah and and and and so it’s only very it’s only very recently that we diversified we like moved on from having just one person doing everything to two people doing everything yeah and then three people doing everything and it’s you can do so many more interesting things but you have to let it evolve naturally you have to let that that progression occur in order to see how that changes what can be done because what can be done with three people is very different from what can be done with one person and the kind of content you end up making is very different but that doesn’t mean that the one person vlog is gonna go away because that’s a legitimately in trysting format it’s legitimately interesting genre it’s like stand-up comedy right it’s it’s it’s like a mix of like essay and video and stand-up and you get to do all kinds of different things you can play multiple parts like Natalie or superwoman or you can be talking about you know like the complexities of the marriage equality debate in America you’re exactly right the just the rapidity of genres being created is it’s amazing and it’s fascinating and you’re right that there’s this wave of content that is being created in this digital realm that is the future of so many different things and it’s fun to be riding that wave and I know that when we look forward and we see what those next things are that you’re gonna be there you know what we’re just committed to being able to look around and be in that space and be able to see people like you so do you guys know you’re you know you guys know you’re ahead of the curve you got it you gotta know you’re ahead of the curve you do such cool innovative interesting things I’m proud to be in your studio right now and this has been a great ear biscuit all you got to do is sign this table man so I went yes whenever it’s whenever we get it put in that museum you’re talking about well for the person who’s listening it out in the year 4028 always said who’s looking and feeling a little bit slash in the Smithsonian yeah yeah listening to it while looking at the table yeah it’s in it’s in an exhibit you press a button well you’re fine don’t press the button you probably think and it starts I think Hank can say that our table is in some museum but I don’t think we should just sign it let’s try to end self deprecating okay all right I’m gonna start a museum and the first thing I’m gonna put it in is this table yeah if you guys ever move out of the studio this is it all right is the museum is here okay okay undisclosed location thanks Hank oh you’re adding that yourself you don’t have to do that [Music] and there you have it our conversation with Hank green feel like I could talk to that guy forever there’s so much that he’s done that we didn’t even touch on you could you get we could do a series with Hank green well in just his perspective you know on the state of online video the future of online video got lots of respect for what he’s done for the good of not only online video but for humanity I mean it’s just cool to be in a space and like we said living our dream and part of that is getting to rub shoulders and to become friends with people like Hank who are not taking lightly the responsibility that that we find ourselves in in shaping this this whole form of entertainment yeah and I’ve always had a tremendous amount of respect for Hank and you know it only increased and talking to him I think to pinpoint one thing that was just so impressed me was of his perspective on the way that they thought about Jon’s success as a wave that they didn’t want to ride and to understand the value of what they have created and what they were cultivating as the vlog brothers as nerdfighteria he just got so much insight into that I don’t know it’s there’s almost a recenter in when you do what you do what we do for a living you talk to a guy like Hank there’s this Ries entering that that happens and you kind of remember that like just it’s inspiring you know the to see it in such a pure way what we’re doing here in an online video yeah thanks Hank and you should pass along what you think to Hank his Twitter account is Hank green it’s pretty intuitive that’s Hank it’s like if you if you were to make this sound honk but with an A nothing – oh that’s Hank green on trick tweet hashtag your biscuits Hank show him your appreciation show me your love and that way well you know we’ll also show us your internet love that could be an iTunes review or just just general gushing about your biscuits to people whose opinion you respect Rangers even yes yo strangers about the people on public transportation that you know like you that you’re awkward right now if you are in a public place tell them I’m listening to ear biscuits just say it just scream it out check it out like add that see you I’m doing it right now hopefully you just did that and thank you for that we really appreciate it see you next week [Music] [Music]