[Music] welcome to your biscuits I’m link and I’m Rhett it’s time for another conversation with someone interesting from the internet and this is a very special episode a milestone if you will because this is the 50 second episode of ear biscuits and if you’re familiar with how time is kept and the fact that there are 52 weeks in a year you know that this commemorates one year o biscuits here biscuits well but it’s not the one year anniversary that would be to the next episode but it commemorates I’m saying this yes this makes it one year so if like you just took 52 and set them aside that would be a year but then the 53rd would be an anniversary this is not the anniversary this is the milestone okay so at the round table of dim lighting today we have grace Helbig the sequel what we’ve already had her on the show link that’s right why are we doing that okay we just thought it would be a cool idea to bring grace back on she was our very first guest and now one year later is it – a week you’ve really messed with my head and just say the 52nd episode it’s not one year later because that was rude to round out the year that we ringing back now I’ll star first guest on a milestone episode grace helping so well part and part of the reason is not just for what we’ll get into in a second which was her perspective on what she got out of the first time she was on the show but because she’s had a quite a year yeah I mean there’s there’s lots to cover I mean she cut ties with her main channel Daily Grace and migrated all of her content basically making the vehicle for her brand a new channel it’s grace which technically had existed all along it’s kind of like a side channel but it you know that was a big move she was in camp Dakota she started a podcast she’s written a book so we talked about all these things so it was kind of like okay grace let’s have a retrospective with you and a little bit about her perspective on coming back on the show on her it’s grace channel which is about to break 2 million subs she has a Friday show called fried diary that’s Friday and Diary put together link just in case you didn’t know and this is when you know she blogged about coming on the show again and we got a clip to kind of give you a little perspective on what she was thinking this is called birthday vacation to see two of my favorite content creators Rhett link I refer to them so professionally like content creators and human beings in general we’re gonna go record a podcast with them I don’t know if you guys know this but I got to be their very first guest on their very first podcast last year and so we’re doing a follow-up episode of what’s happened this past year to be interesting and also put a little on guard because I think I got lucky being the first guest on their podcast and they weren’t totally sure what it was yet and I had since developed into this really amazing podcast that ends up getting like pretty deep and in conversation with people and unfortunately for me I didn’t have to get too deep with them now they know so it’s interesting that the show has developed a little bit of a reputation yeah did we succeed at taking grace to a place of deep conversation you be the judge I am glad that hey maybe this is a forum for people to talk about things that they otherwise wouldn’t and to get the to go a little deeper to get that side of things I think that was the design of the show when we first had grace on we were just we were just getting our sea legs yeah so to speak so yeah I’m you know I didn’t want her to be nervous coming back on the show here’s a little preview what we talked to her about we talked about her personal and public life balance including how she manages her dating relationships in the public eye details about her new TV pilot for E and a potential next Miley here it is us with grace the sequel you know this is a nostalgic episode yeah vodka for a couple of reasons for us this is the 50 I think I think this will be the 52nd episode you are our first guest so maybe this will be nostalgic for you because a lot has happened over the past year literally one year since we had our year biscuit conversation we’re having this one sure so it’s you know maybe we can go down memory lane have a little you can experience some nostalgia and saying oh wow this has been a big year for you maybe and we were thinking we could step through some of those things first one most recently is the new house so we’ve covered that one yeah that’s done but since that yeah since that first since a year ago you started your own podcast yeah I started my own podcast that lives on my own channel now which is also a really exhilarating right we got that too I remember last year being here with you guys and I couldn’t really even talk about I knew what was gonna happen in my future and really what I was about to do and I couldn’t talk about it to anyone right so Daily Grace was a My Damn Channel channel yeah it was a an idea that was developed with My Damn Channel back in 2008 and I was paid as an independent contractor basically like a hired actress if you will a hired actress playing myself in a production that they owned the the rights to and they owned all the content so that was it was a really bizarre five years yeah five years yeah three the last three were on YouTube yeah the first two were only on My Damn Channel calm and then it got moved over to YouTube and that was a really weird experience of one learning what YouTube was while participating in the community and like meeting content creators and finding out that my situation was so different than everyone else because I had no idea and then being like oh how do I change this this is not I kind of like it seems extreme but I felt kind of like a fraud every time I went to like VidCon or playlist’ that it felt like I’m no one really knows that I’m owned by a corporation that I feel like this like human meat puppet that is promoting this company because I mean that’s that was the feeling I moaned even though it was a channel but the channel was so inextricably tied to you as a person Daily Grace that it you felt like you were owned personally yeah I mean I it felt a lot of like the milestones on that channel weren’t I didn’t really feel them because a lot of you know when you you want to get viewers and you want to get subscribers you want to get view counts because that essentially means more money for you and for me that was never a thing I was getting paid a salary so I could have a viral video every single video that went up and nothing in my life would really change other than like you know building a stronger better fan base which ultimately was became like it in a way it was great because I didn’t have to think about any of the financial stuff with YouTube at all I could solely focus on I want to cultivate a community of really great people how do I do that and I want to create content that I think is really great so let’s only focus on those things because those are the only thing you have control over right now mmm but then at the same time it was like it’s really frustrating when something did really well and you don’t necessarily get the benefit of that and also just not being able to talk about it with anyone but as I slowly like started talking more with people like Hannah and and other content creators in the space and the fine brothers I found out the way that I was hoping I could move forward with it but you I mean we were talking and it was almost October again a year ago you already knew but I mean you ended up launching its grace at in January wasn’t it wasn’t their process to be like hey let’s work this out let’s restructure this there was a whole process of that and technically I didn’t know no until December that I was walking away from a channel and you were sure you were trying to restructure it yeah there were negotiations happening all the way up until December and the leverage I had on the negotiations was that I wasn’t afraid to walk away from it and to start a brand new channel and just with the hope that the community that’s built is strong enough and loyal enough that they’ll understand and come over because it’s I hate talking a business talk and especially trying to explain business to an audience of two million people as really none not totally necessary either and so um yeah I knew that my time trying to own dailyGrace but they didn’t own grace Helbig so you’re just hoping like that your personality and the intimacy that you’ve built based on yourself is enough that carries over so were they calling your bluff I can’t believe that they would just they would allow it to get to the they would force you to walk away I mean that seems stupid it’s yeah they didn’t think you would do it no I mean no I think that they I to be honest I there were a lot of negotiation negotiations happening with outside of me with you know my agent manager and with My Damn Channel so I don’t know exactly what the conversations were I knew like the things I was hoping to get out of the conversations and that would be you know relayed back to me and I hate confrontation on any front so I didn’t want to be a part of those conversations so they I to be honest I don’t know what they what they were wanting or what their trajectory was or what else they had going on that maybe was influencing what they wanted to do I I don’t know I mean we we split really amicably we wish each other well and and I’m not totally sure what they’re doing now but hopefully it’s something cool but you said that you weren’t afraid to walk away and start your channel on new but yet have been a little Oh terrified yeah I mean I wha you’re afraid I’m not too afraid to not do it yeah I was uh I wasn’t afraid but I was terrified yeah so yeah cuz you never know I mean that’s the thing with YouTube in general is you could wake up tomorrow morning and there’s a whole audience of people that are like we don’t think you’re interesting anymore unsubscribe and then think oh well it wet okay well let’s talk about the dynamics of that because you know this is in one sense it kind of defined your year starting the the new the new channel mm-hmm you know did you I think something there’s some things that on the surface that anybody can see right it’s like okay well you’re not saying you’ve been hazed you’re saying you’ve been praised you’ve been said you’re not saying you’ve user you’re saying new person alert and there’s a and I think anybody who thinks about it it’s kind of like okay she’s doing the same things but it’s you’re almost I mean even though you’ve been hazed t-shirt is it’s the same t-shirt PR put over the age like retinol and no it’s so nice of paper how much how much of that process of the decisions that you made you made to keep it the same but to keep a different were based on almost a dig at having to do it or just trying to keep it as close to the original as possible it was honestly trying to keep because I wasn’t able to the the thing that bummed me out the most is that I I couldn’t give like a proper closure of that channel in video form or even inform other people yeah that this was happening and that I was moving to a different place legally I couldn’t do that right but wonderfully and speaks really highly to the communities that people like John and Hank green took it upon themselves knowing I couldn’t talk about it to talk about it on my behalf and god bless them they’re far more articulate than I am at speaking to an audience and so they wrote some really amazing blog posts and things got passed around so my thought process was if I’m gonna start this new channel I do want it to be my own I do want to be new but I wanted to seem as familiar as possible at least in the beginning so that the audience doesn’t feel like that much has changed still feels like like the personality that you’re used to and the conversations that you’re used to in the topics and how everything works is the same it’s just a different box clicked in your YouTube browser and did you get yeah if you know we all know this for making YouTube videos but a lot of times people’s uh not very high IQ is revealed in the in the comments so I would assume that a lot of people had questions about why you were doing things similar but different but had no idea why it was happening yeah and the really amazing thing about the audience is that they’re wonderfully self-policing a lot of questions were getting raised of course you want to know why why why why why and a lot of a lot of different viewers were answering those questions for me and in a way that was accurate if there was if there were any inaccuracies I tried to address them but I also didn’t want to I didn’t want the start of a new channel to be overshadowed by the business side of things I wanted to still focus on the comedy and the silliness and whatever else grace Helbig is as a brand and not the legalese and all of that stuff and like I said people like John and Hank were covered for me and the conclusion of it mm-hmm was you picked up right where you left off right isn’t that what happened yeah essentially yeah I yeah I just started the new channel I started in terms of performance though yeah there was nothing new I I wasn’t you know marking a brand new style for myself or anything like that and in terms of views you were I mean subscriber numbers pretty much migrated over pretty quickly right and then really quickly it was there was like over a million subscribers in the first month which was crazy because I you can always kind of try to project what you think will happen but you’d never know and because a lot of content creators how many did you leave how many subscribers in December I think it was like 2.2 million I’m like that the most jarring thing I think was that my time channel I and I believe they’re still doing this continued blowed my old daily grace videos that only lived on yes I wanted to ask you about that yeah I to be honest I had no idea what they were gonna do with the channel and I didn’t really care to know at that point I call it vintage grace right yeah I’m not sure what they’re calling it but so for the first two years that I did Daily Grace the videos like you said I only lived on My Damn Channel calm and so there’s a whole library of old videos that people on YouTube probably haven’t seen so they started re uploading to YouTube the videos from their archives every day so it’s like a weird younger version of you in person personating you write and the people that weren’t as competition and the viewers that weren’t aware of what was happening we’re like grapes did something different with her hair today so that one part was hilarious and so it was a yeah there was this weird confusing time where it’s like oh there’s two new videos of me on YouTube every day but I’m not posting one of them and how long did that last it might still be going on I don’t know I haven’t looked I’ve tried to like you know the same with like bad comments or negative comments because they’re said well there was something else going on there for at least an initial month when we were looking at it there it was like a story time you started that’s how I started making Internet videos is that I took improv classes at other people’s Improv Theater and then there was an audition for this web series and I did that for My Damn Channel first and then we talked about Daily Grace but you want to focus I mean you you obviously not focus you know what they’re doing you’re focusing on what what you did and at that point you were launching a new channel you wanted to keep continuity but maybe it was an opportunity to do things a little bit different yeah I I mean I I think I feel like now this part because the the new channel has gone through a lot of like for me creatively a lot of peaks and valleys and especially because my schedule this year has gotten really intense and so I’ve recently downsized to three videos a week because mentally and physically I wasn’t creating the quality of content I wanted to create by doing five videos a week anymore and you know launching things like the podcast I feel now this like fresh air of inspiration because I feel like trying to do the same thing that I was doing on Daily Grace my brain just started to get really stale and the channel it’s getting really stale and I was traveling and couldn’t upload on the regular time schedule that I wanted to and felt like it was stressing me out and I feel like the audience could tell it was stressing me out and so it wasn’t fun to watch some success stretched you too thin yeah the projects that I had started taking on and working with and also my brain creativity had a lull for a second and time I just wasn’t inspired by things I think I was doing a lot more creative stuff that was kind of you know using those juices in different areas so I felt really dry when I came to make sit down at the end of the day make a youtube video and then I also felt like I was just kind of recycling the same content repackaged over and over so right now I’m actually feeling a big inspiration of wanting to evolve a little bit and change not necessarily change the style but just refresh a couple of things and like really look at it and make choices which I didn’t really do when I started its grace I was like I was dedicated to keeping it consistent so that the audience would not feel the change as much and with that I feel like I didn’t give myself an opportunity to make it how I wanted to make it since I have creative control over this now and now I do feel like I’m getting there so within the context of three videos a week mm-hmm you’re still looking at ways to change yeah I I just launched the podcast which has been a really cool thing to do and thanks for having us you guys were great I love that you guys were so you’re really great but because we don’t really tell you anything about what you’re getting into I feel like you guys were really on guard for a lot of it and just like waiting for something a lot of cotton balls flying around here in the wings I don’t know what someone slap but so the podcast is now had taken over the Monday slot so I feel like I’m getting like schedule a like I feel like a television network or it’s like I got this new pilot that’s taken over Monday nights know was then was the title uh-huh was that a direct reaction uh-huh to you guys like our show oh you are the inspiration for that podcast and I just you know inspiration for the opposite of it yeah absolutely I said that in I just said it in my vlog on the way here I was like I’m going to film this podcast and I’m really nervous because I got off really easily the first times they didn’t know what they’re doing I’ve heard nothing but like stories of people being like just have written things podcast I like I target like I had I came back and she was like I think I had to email them and say they can’t use some of the stuff I talk about I did not have that experience it’s about a reputation at this point yeah I think it’s something everyone wants to do because they feel like it’s going to be a therapy session they can’t wait to get all this stuff out there just and yeah so I wanted to create the opposite of that and that’s why I feel like you guys are on guard the whole time because you’re like waving for like this moment of sincerity or a moment of like having actual conversation I was like nope isn’t that good honestly I think what you were sensing was I don’t that’s not what was going on in my mind I think it was oh I see what’s happening here I got to try to be yeah so that was really what was going on was okay the setup here is like I I have there is no every question is out of outer space yeah so cuz we try really hard to be funny right we really put a lot of effort into being funny every question was like I am just really trying get to get some answer together yeah like I could gush about myself in my pain for hours but you start talking about like the you know the why my door won’t lock and who’s taking a crap back there I’m like hi it’s go time like the eyes are squinting so it was yeah it was more put that was a performance I’m glad the comments mode I’m yeah while I apologize for forcing you to be on or feel like no it was good it was a great opportunity it’s just you saw it you saw the gears turning it oh yeah well now I think because well the other part is that you guys hadn’t gotten to see how anything happened on the show right on and now that like episodes are out and then when we start shooting with other people at least they can understand like oh this is what it’s going to be right but I think you’re you’re you’re a gifted comedian and gifted improv and I would say you know if then if your note for us is hey people are people might be intimidated opening up I think our note back to you is people might intimidate it might be intimidated or sitting across in a seat across from you and you’re gonna kill it and it’s like okay what how am I gonna be funny how am I gonna hold my own here against grace yeah a potential guest might be dependent on their chemical makeup might be more intimidated by glass than ours for sure the and my director Jack fairy-like loves leaving people in the dark and that makes me so anxious as a person that wants to know what I’m getting myself into yeah he and it’s really interesting because you can see right away who’s comfortable with not knowing and who is it like for instance Mitchell Davis whose episode is going up next week he wouldn’t just like a pile of uncomfortableness because he was fabulous rising we sat and watched the whole thing yeah he’s a friend so he knows I’m not gonna like do anything that terrible to it why I don’t know if he were if you reveal this in the in the intro that you do for him but he also didn’t hear himself for the first half of the podcast I know his headphones headphones were props I know I’m like on top of you already been anxious about not knowing anything so he’s talking very loudly during the first half it’s because he cannot hear himself it off I mean I just I would have been honored if you would have caught it the anti year biscuit if you instead of not been a little too direct I am still honored that knows muffins informed yeah formation of your podcast and that you actually had us on it so super cool honored okay um so new channel yes beginning of the year check right you made it through that you even convinced people to take two less episodes a week and that seems to be doing okay yes so check you lost your podcast yeah check and you were about to launch the the movie camp Takota was about to be released when we were talking last year this uh yeah I in my brain it doesn’t feel like camp Takota came out this year it feels like that’s so far ago that that happened yeah so strange having if it feels like a far-flung memory maybe that allows you to say okay so what’s the conclusion you know I think from an industry standpoint a lot of people are saying we’re saying what what does this mean you know we’re looking towards I mean we certainly heard lots of conversations if now what people say is the camp Takota model yeah yeah it is a model now in less than twelve months it is the model yeah it’s very strange because we’re not the first people to have done this like Michael Gallagher did smiley before we did this and so may didn’t release it in the same way yeah I mean the distribution I think is a little different and it was yeah – Michael Goldfine who was our you know an EP with us and who was the one that really championed this idea I give him so much credit for taking a risk which is he did Kevin Hart’s film before that which was also a risk and a huge success and so he that’s kind of his his thing and he gets the internet he understands how powerful audiences can be and how loyal they can be and that fan base is a really important thing and so II we none of us like when switching to a new channel new how the audience is going to take it but I think the way we what I’m really really happy about and hope to like continue doing in the future is one work with my friends which is really oh it’s such a you guys know it’s a great experience and two is keep the audience with you as the whole process unfolds dailyGrace that turned into a daily vlog about being on set every day making this film and so the audience felt like they were making it with us which I think made it feel more intimate when it came out it felt like oh the project that I’ve been working on with my internet friends is finally out to watch let’s all watch it so keeping them in on the whole process instead of being like tada here’s this thing that you didn’t know we were doing for so long yeah it was it was really really cool and we broke even on our budget in like four days after the film’s release which means you didn’t spend enough money yeah which means we could have put in all those lasers I wanted to put in the end of it yeah yeah for us I just spent like oh one we’re not embarrassed by the film itself we think it’s a great movie and two financially for someone like Michael Goldfine who put up a lot of the money for this it wasn’t a bad choice right yeah and so does that mean you’re gonna do that again hopefully there’s a couple projects that are getting developed right now that we’re all really excited about because the process was pretty smooth the first time around so why not do it again it’s not broke we meaning the whole team yeah hopefully I mean we’ve all gotten really busy Anna Mae Murray and I over the past year and so we all want to work together on on this next endeavor whatever ends up being it’s just now managing more schedules but um but yeah I’m really hopeful that something cool is gonna be coming down the line memory and I have been working on a lot of ideas and so it’s it’s going really well so far like writing yes yeah like um yeah we have a couple this is the thing I wish that I knew I knew if I could talk about this I couldn’t talk about this well uh I can answer that yeah you can let me know buddy here this round table of dim lighting is stopping it yeah let me text my lawyer no we have we you said coming down the pipeline so it’s a surfing movie it’s a surfing movie yeah I think Jurassic Park but with whales no we have a couple ideas that I am really in love with and if I was an epic that’s called SeaWorld by the way no we have a couple ideas that I if I wasn’t part of coming up with them I would be like really pisses someone else came up with them because I think they’re really good oh that’s a good you know you’ve got a good idea you’re like yeah exactly so so I I’m hopeful okay so what you’re just saying Camp Takota two camps got into the sequel no we’ve all been saying no there’s not going to be a camp Takota – there will be another project but not Camp Takota – I camp Takota – will just be the subtitle yeah how much of how much have you written now Memory wrote camp did you get yeah we anticipating the writing on that one too I’m sketchy on who sure Sam mamrie had the initial idea she went to a camp she was a camp counselor you know so she had started this script and had like 30 pages done and when she met Michael Goldfine he you know had a raging boner for the idea of a camp movie because he also went to camp and I’ve never gone to camp but I understand that it’s very nostalgic for people so they together came up and they flesh out a full outline and then we had a writer come on and write the first draft of the film based on their outline that was pretty you know intensive and then mamrie went back and two rewrote that draft in more of like our voice okay and gave it you know jokes and so is this one different in that you’re co-writing it no this one is basically the same process memory and I have come up with a full outline of this film that’s really it’s really extensive it’s a long outline and then hopefully another writer comes in writes the first thing and then memory will go through and totally redo that because she’s great at punching things up she’s great at making punch I’m punching things up well that’s exciting yeah I’m excited it’s like I said it just comes down to a lot of scheduling stuff your book yes comes out October 21st mm-hmm how long has that been in a word in the works and how difficult was it to write it’s interesting because people were telling me that I said that to you guys on the podcast last year that I said I’m hoping that one day I’ll write a book and I didn’t have the idea for the book I knew yeah I don’t remember that part I don’t remember either but someone told me on tumblr they’re like look how far she’s come it’s like I don’t know so I Hannah and mamrie had both sold their books and I’ve known for a while that I wanted to write a book I just didn’t have the idea yet and I guess it was kind of like divine inspiration but it was like I mean if they’ve got books I have to have a book yeah well felt like right timing I was like yeah publishers are interested in this idea of internet personality the same way like blogs became books you know like look at that hipster and like my dad says and stuff like that so it felt like good timing and then I had the idea that I wanted to write I kind of tongue-in-cheek self-help guide for Millennials I wanted to give it directly back to the audience why right for someone else if you know who your audience is so I created my my pitch and then went to New York in the beginning of this year and pitched the book around to a bunch of publishers and before for your pitch you basically it’s like a PowerPoint presentation with like sample writing and what the books gonna be and how you want to look in the tone and then you go and you sit in a room with a bunch of publishers and you just you basically are pitching the book and yourself and the whole idea of like this is my personality and this is how the book is gonna sound and this is who the audience is and here’s my demo and all my numbers blah blah and then they all the publishers will it goes the book goes to auction and they bid on the boat really yeah and then you can choose whether you want to go with like the highest bidder or if you want to go with a different publisher because you had a better connection with them and so luckily for me one of the highest bidders was this publishing company Simon Schuster that I really touched on books that I really want to work with and Lauren Spiegel who’s my editor is this phenomenal amazing human being that has been with me the whole time and I also who pitched them on the idea that I felt like I could write this book really quickly and I wanted to have it out by the fall which is insane usually you have like a year or plus to write the book and then it comes out later so I was under this impression that I could do that and I did it I wrote it all in I think May and June hey guys we just wanted to take a few seconds to break in here and tell you about audible because they’re helping to make your biscuits happen audible is the home to over 150,000 audiobooks if you’re not familiar with audiobooks link and your biscuit ears that’s a book on audio that is a book that someone has read and I don’t mean like in a robot voice like series trying to read it I’m talking about like a person read the book and I’m aware of this my favorite time as as a child my favorite thing was miss Lanier’s class because she would read you read those books man I mean it’s like it stuck with me and as you know I was in Miss Campbell’s class and she didn’t do that miss Campbell was a loser she was a nice woman but I don’t read but Miss Lee like audible is like the Miss linear of the modern day of 2014 I don’t know if Miss Lanier actually signed up and read any of these things like Miss Lanier is in your digital device and this is not a streaming service it’s not a rental service you actually own the books that you download in audio of urgency here’s what you need to do go to audiblepodcast.com/tekzilla podcast.com slash rhett and Link now let’s get back to the biscuit so were you right was it that easy for you it was ten months yeah it was insane amount of writing and there was a lot of like mental breakdowns and that sort of thing but it was great because I went to college to be a screenwriter and I loved writing and I hadn’t had a real reason to focus on it so it felt like I was exercising a muscle that I hadn’t used for a while describe mental breakdown um crying into cold spaghetti in a tiny hotel room in London when you’re about to go to do a nofilter show what was put on a happy thought what was the moment well there was just broke you there were a few moments where it just there it was overwhelming there was we were doing our nofilter shows in the UK in London and Dublin at the time and I was trying to do five videos a week and I was trying to finish up writing this book that’s 200 plus pages and I was there were like four other things that were happening so it was it was just like an overwhelming time have you ever cried to your audience I’ve ever cried to the audience like in a blog no no I haven’t um I’ve gotten like emotional I’ve gotten like sweet and sincere but I don’t think I’ve ever cried so you’ve almost like cried tears of joy but never tears of sadness no yeah I never tears a sudden well there’s one vlog back in like the early days of My Damn Channel that didn’t live on YouTube that people have found I literally came out of the subway one day in New York and got hit by a bike and then I was fine I just I’m camera no not on camera I got really shook it up and then I came home and I had to my video but all the power was out in my apartment and I just turned on my laptop and I’m like kind of crying in that video cuz I’m like just overwhelmed I was like this just happened and now all the power is out and I know this sounds stupid but I didn’t know what else to yes I think that’s the most like sad emotional I’ve gotten I’m not a huge fan of putting emotions like that out there on the internet because one I want people to focus on the comedy and two I do put a part of my life out in videos on my channel but I want something that’s just for me offline so that I can maintain a balance and sanity who knows at some point in the future I might break down and you know put it all on film well is there is there more of you more of the personal side of you in the book there is that’s the other thing too is that my editor and I really wanted to make a point to put in personal stories that I’ve never told online before and there’s a huge section of the book that deals with like anxiety and panic attacks that I went through a period of time with that’s all in the book that’s probably the most personal I’ve gotten with the audience in like a creative form and it was really refreshing and I don’t think it overwhelms the book you’re not reading a memoir you’re not reading an autobiography but and it was great to hear my editor tell me that she related to the chapters and enjoyed the stories and then the tips the thing is there’s there’s actual advice in the book it’s supposed to be funny and you know tongue-in-cheek but at the same time I tried to really reflect on my life and think about what I’ve actually learned that has been really helpful for me and give that to someone else because I think that’s helpful and a nice thing to do as a human being so it was actual soul-searching it was in a way yeah it was really sitting down and I have a terrible memory for even my own life to think about like stories and events that have happened to me that of like I’m very good at repressing feelings and growth in any way so there’s only like there’s only a handful of really poignant moments in my life that stand out that I wrote about in the book that I think we’re really nice to share but it’s not not exploitative and it’s not it’s not too much I don’t think I think it’s it from me validates giving someone advice I don’t like when people give advice that don’t I haven’t actually experienced the advice that they’re giving so instead of felt like here’s why I know these 10 things I’m about to tell you about so for the anxiety and panic attack you had you felt like you had to get specific in the book yeah that was a big part of my life in New York and moving to Los Angeles and I’ve talked about it very minimally online but it like reached a head right before I moved to Los Angeles and so there’s a big chunk of that that I wrote about in the book that I hadn’t really talked about before and it just give us a taste of it I mean where did well i where did you find yourself New York is well the thing about New York is that it’s an amazingly cool city but you are constantly around people all the time every hour of the day all day long so you can tend to get really claustrophobic and so I just had a period of time where it kind of all started to hit me at once that I would get really claustrophobic every time I left my apartment or every time I got on the subway and I started having panic attacks and I didn’t even know what panic attacks were but I was terrified of them because you couldn’t control them and I was very much a person that was into control in my life and so it it felt like this side of me that came out of nowhere that I couldn’t control and now I’m in this city and everything seems like wild and crazy and around me all the time and what was the physical manifestation of this like you couldn’t breathe yeah there’s a liner where you were in public yeah I would have to jump off the subway a lot of times because I would just start to get really hot and sweaty and shortness of breath and feel like I might pass out on this train or throw up I remember I was coming back from Manhattan once and I was feeling so it was on a really crowded train too and I had to stay and and the fluorescent lighting on a train is never that you know helpful I think so I I started it really hot and dizzy and honestly thought that I was going to throw up in this subway car and then I got out but it ever stopped was it was somewhere in Brooklyn and I just went and I sat in a Dunkin Donuts and it was like snowing and cold and remember I got out of the subway and like grabbed two things of snow and like put them on my face because I felt so high I’m like terrible – that crazy woman I just got out of the subway yeah I know and then I realized I was like how can I keep doing this if I can’t even like finish a subway ride like I need this mode of transportation howdy Junior how did you get over it I don’t you I went to a doctor and I I talked to I got into therapy and so we’re talking to a psychiatrist and things are more under control now it’s not you know you don’t just like take medicine and then it goes away completely you still it’s manageable now and I’ve you just learned your triggers and it’s really about kind of reflecting on yourself and finding out like there’s something deeper going on it’s manifesting itself in this like state of panic that keeps coming up so let’s look at that and figure out what that is now that Amazon description of your book includes says the book includes everything a young are new or regular or old adult needs to know from how to live online to landing a job to surviving a breakup to decorating a first apartment and much more surviving a breakup so you were writing this in May and June was this were you writing about a recent breakup the break-up that I talk about in the book was one of the more poignant breakups in my I’ve had very few relationships I’m like a serial long-term relationship person and I had a really wonderful relationship in the tail end of college and we broke up after I live in New York for about a year and and we still talk now and he’s a absolutely fantastic person but it was a and he we had a really amazing like two two-and-a-half years together and it was at the point where I realized that I wanted to do comedy and he was realizing you know if goals and dreams like he wanted to chase and so it felt like a really beautiful magic transitional time and then when we broke up it was really it was dramatic and that whole story is in the book and it’s it was one of the most painful moments of my life when it happened but it’s one of my absolute favorite memories now in hindsight the breaking up part yeah relationship yeah the breaking up part essentially we knew it got to a point we were fighting so much and we finally knew that we were breaking up so we decided to rent a room for the weekend at the Chelsea Hotel in New York and just spend the weekend breaking up and getting drunk and yelling at each other and then we also bought a bunch of art supplies and we’re just like painting things and I’m not a good painter and neither is he which is what the Chelsea Hotel is famous for you got the artist types living in yeah exactly and it was just like breaking up constantly yeah making art you still have these paintings no but there’s a photo online of me just like on the floor painting it’s really dark and you can’t really tell what’s happening it looks like it looks like some six year old just gave me their art and I like I’m surrounded by it but it was great in hindsight it was like a really beautiful weekend it was really was that your idea or was it was like a mutual idea we were in Manhattan we were walking and we got in a big fight and we’re we didn’t have anything with us and we decided that we’re just gonna go to this hotel right now for the weekend and then we said goodbye on the corner of 7th and 23rd and then I didn’t talk to him for like two years after that yeah we bunk I was at that moment mm-hmm it was really crazy every time I walked by a 7th and 23rd I always had this like weird feeling but you didn’t keep any of the art no that was for room service what happened here was that were these five year olds able to rent this room was that your is that still your longest relationship or was there one after that no there’s one after that that was really long but I don’t really talk about that kind of stuff yeah that but that was one the more it was such a transitional time in my life and the moment like being in that relationship is when I realized I wanted to do comedy and pursue comedy and that was like a really huge moment in my life and he was part of that and so there’s always that connection there it’s interesting that the book was an occasion for you to open up I’m curious why because there’s certainly a there’s a pressure with anyone who makes any type of YouTube video you know if if you’re a comedian or if you’re a vlog or if you’re a musician it doesn’t matter what you are if you’re a youtuber there is a there’s an intimacy there is a pressure to be to connect and to be transparent to let to pull back the curtain yet you chose you very guarded there but then yeah the book was your opportunity whoa yeah and even though even though I say there’s lots of personal stories in the book it’s not you know it’s not a memoir it’s not every story in this book and there’s a lot of funny fun stories that I haven’t told and a lot of quick anecdotes but I do think that there’s a huge pressure for people online to be very transparent to show you their lives and I’m I’m guilty of wanting people to do that like i watch reality television i watch vloggers on youtube i want to you get fascinated by human beings and so but I’ve also never been a person that expresses myself that way and so I have to remind myself that that’s not what I want to do I’ll give a portion of my life sure I have fried Ayari every week where I vlog my week and what I’m doing but I don’t think I don’t think you have to tell or show everything because to me after a while of being so emotional or whatever it might be it becomes kind of inauthentic I feel like there’s a lot of because there’s so much pressure to like talk about thoughts and feelings and fears and that and it’s great and I think the people that do it are really helping their audience there’s relatability there that everyone wants just feel like they’re humans and feel like yeah but you’re certainly not on that end of the spectrum no and I don’t think I ever will be I think for me it’s always been kind of a temple of my myself and my brand to not reveal everything well I can definitely relate to that I think that part of it has to do with seeing yourself as an entertainer first yeah we definitely see ourselves as entertainers first and so when you begin to share too many personal things you’re like am i doing this to entertain you mm-hmm versus I think there are people who came up from a from a different place maybe a more traditional are vlogging and I don’t necessarily see you in the same way that I would see somebody who just came up through vlogging who is like you’re just experiencing my life with me and that is how you are entertained right yeah I don’t yeah I didn’t mean to cut you off go ahead know that I feel that same way and I say this all the time that I understand that on YouTube there’s a certain desire for an audience to want to see every inch of your life and want to find out who you’re dating and find out where you live and see all those things and that will garner a lot of views a lot of people watch that I mean as a teenage girl myself at one point in my life I wanted to live vicariously through people that I thought had really cool interesting fun lives and but my mission if you want to call it on YouTube is to be a comedic entertainer and so that’s first and foremost for me 100% of the time and I have to really balance that for myself because because it is so popular and because it is so prevalent online the show part of your life and to document everything I have to catch myself from going too far into that area because I think it’s what the audience only wants to see and reminding myself that I am my own audience like what I want what I want this for myself do I want to put this out there like once it’s out there you can’t take it back so I have to remind myself to like maintain the the theory started with you’re a comedic entertainer but you put a you know you start doing the Friday or how you say fried they’re right it’s friary yeah give them a little yeah and they’re gonna want a lot right and they’re gonna you know they’re gonna start speculating about okay is you know is she dating Chester is that happening hashtag dress so my mom are you guys are you guys a couple I don’t talk about that because that’s not important for people to know I mean he might be in my videos sure but there’s no need to acknowledge that and I think the audience that the real audience the core of people that I really want watching the videos completely understand that and I don’t feel a Hannah and I have had these same discussions because she’s kind of the same way she keeps you know her romantic life offline because it keeps you saying I don’t want to be in a relationship that has too many microscopes on it I don’t think that that’s very healthy I mean you guys talk about your wives and children but you’re not gonna like always put them on there I assume we don’t put our wives in intro videos because they don’t want to be there and we don’t argue with them about that great our kids are too young we can force them to do no and they’re at a point where it’s it’s whether they are excited about it or not yeah but yeah I mean it’s we we each have to find that line and it’s difficult I mean and I would imagine at certain points it does get pretty complicated hey I’m going to Ikea yeah to get some stuff whoever’s with me is gonna you know that that means certain things about a relationship sure people can assume any you can assume people will want to do that any but you have to decide if you’re gonna well I’m not gonna what kind of footage you’re gonna put out there yeah no I think I will let the audience assume anything that they want to assume they they can do whatever they want and that’s how I’ve been like I’ve been in a bunch of different relationships since I started making YouTube videos and I’ve never talked about any of those relationships to the point that my previous in ship it was a long-term relationship and no one knew about it I would go to youtube events and when I would mention him people had no idea and I would kind of pat myself on the back for that because that’s not what I want out there I don’t want that kind of speculation and that’s kind of how I wanted to continue I’ll show certain things and I do kind of look at all of my footage and judge like what should go in here and what shouldn’t go in here especially because friary is still a relatively new concept for me of doing more daily vlogs like that or day-in-the-life blogs or whatever you want to call them so it is finding that balance and checking yourself and making sure that I don’t only live online I live in the real world as well that’s just for me and yeah it’s just kind of like a personal choice that I’ve made I said I don’t confirm or deny any of that stuff it seems like you’ve made a decision to you’re okay with the speculation you’re okay with people having a conversation but you and that may not that may mean that okay I’m not gonna worry about who is or who is not in my content or who you see at my house or whatever but you are not going to confirm you’re not into a to confirm it or discuss it with your audience yeah I don’t think it’s necessary I don’t want it to become the sole focus and I can see how for a lot of other youtubers it has done that or it has taken away I think something from what they are doing and so I I don’t want that for myself I I still go back and forth every week on whether I actually want to do Friday if I wanted to cut that out completely but then you have the pressure of oh I started revealing stuff about my life and if I stop now that’s gonna be upsetting to an audience but yeah there’s it’s interesting because even from a comedic standpoint I feel like the pressure there’s a there’s a whole set of questions associated with this pressure of transparency and putting your personal stuff out there when you’re a comedian but cuz it’s such a it’s such a turning on of of a switch to be funny that you know I’ve met people who are just you know they’re they’re constantly on but more often than not a comedian can turn on and turn off and if the there may be a fear of if I give them more of the off me it will undermine undermine the comedic me yeah or if do they want to just know the gossip about me or do they want to be entertained by right I don’t want to follow me in me yeah like I said it’s about balance and finding I want them to be focused on the community inside of me but I do understand the value in the intimacy of showing your personal life so I want to do both of those things but under the parameters and the guidelines that I approve of for myself and to be honest I think that’s why mamrie and Hannah and I have all become such close friends because we all live by that kind of byline it’s like we talk about personal things but there is a line where we realize no that’s just for me that side of my life like I need to be a real human being sometimes and I think that’s healthy I don’t know what’s gonna happen with it does ring of health and that boy that’s disturbing isn’t it yeah I know I’m always so not concerned I guess concerned are just interested in what is going to happen in the future with how much things are documented I very much have to check myself about overly documenting things and letting myself experience something with my eyes instead of my camera and so because kids are born with cell phones in their hand I am I’m interested to see what happens if everyone just becomes their own reality show all the time it’s very fascinating well let’s shift to the television show tell us about the pilot the Eve islet is it’s really cool so I sold this pilot in the beginning of this year to II and we shopped around to a bunch of networks and there did just like a great fit and it didn’t happen for a long time it kind of got pushed to the backburner to the point that I stopped talking about excite was assuming like a lot of things in the entertainment industry they don’t happen so because Chelsea Handler left I guess earlier than they anticipated or leaving they you know put the green light on and like rush like we need a pilot from you and they have a lot of other late-night talk shows in development as means to try and replace the the Chelsea slot and maintain that audience so who knows what’s happening I know that the pilot that I made for them I’m really proud of and I’m not embarrassed because going to like the traditional machine the of media is a little scary because you do lose some creative control because you’re collaborating now with the traditional Network and so I wanted if anything they didn’t have to pick up the show at all I just don’t know if they have I just wanted to create something that I was really proud of that if they did pick it up I wouldn’t be like well now I have to do this show That’s not me and I have to pretend it is how did you how did you communicate that I communicated it by creating a late-night show that’s kind of like the introverts talk show it happens in my house the same way my videos happen and all the guests come to me and we hang out there and it’s really low-key and not in front of a studio audience but I so maintain my normal life around it I’ll go run errands I’ll interview people in my car while I’m doing other things and getting you know takeout and that sort of stuff so it feels um it feels really low-key and casual and silly and fun and the conversations a lot like the podcasts are kind of nonsensical but they also draw from the internet where I wanted it to be interactive in that way people submitted stuff through Twitter that got used in the show and so it’s a I’m really proud of it because I’ve been fumbling in my brain with the idea knowing that TV was a goal at some point at least and people like Chris Hardwick and Andy Cohen do a great job of trying to merge the Internet into a comedy show and so I was trying to figure out how to do it and it became like this convoluted like overly complicated thing of like well they have a live stream during the show and well and all this stuff and and so just kind of paring it down and having the voice of the vlog that I have but making it feel big enough that it should exist on television and so you actually made the pilot we made the pie we shot the pilot in 322 million is an hour or 22 minutes a 22 minute pilot we shot in three days we shot it in between two separate shoots for hay USA the travel show that member and I did so the great thing about that is that I didn’t have time to overanalyze everything that was happening it was just like put your head down and go can you tell us who was on it like guests I think I can Tom Lennon was on it from Reno 911 I systemin being and has a philosophy of work in life that I totally subscribed you I kept thanking him for taking the time out his day to come and do this interview and he his response was just why wouldn’t I why wouldn’t I I had time so yeah of course why wouldn’t it like he was just really well like I said he was on our show super nice like he gets like the hustle he understands that like it’s you’re never like too good for anything or it was really it was really refreshing and really nice and he was of course hilarious what’s he be only guest didn’t know EJ Johnson was who was like an E personality he’s on rich kids of Beverly Hills it’s reality show okay and memories on the show as well aims at magics son yeah okay yeah and he’s fantastic he is this like fabulously rich gay boy that is so sweet and so nice and I was really intimidated when he I found out he was going to be our second guest because he’s fabulous and I’m picking him up in a rented Priya wearing like flannel and cutoff jeans I mean like hello and then telling him that I’ve never been into a Nordstrom before and him like almost choking on his own spit so you would like miked up the car and it happened in the car yeah we did it I I leave my interview with Tom to go pick up mamrie and while I’m on the way picking up mamrie I pick up EJ and there’s just a bunch of GoPros and I just talk to him in the car and mamrie’s like in the backseat and the memory comes in and we forced him to sit in the backseat I mean this is my friend I don’t really know you so you’ve just in the back and then we go to Del Taco and we get just that was my favorite part was watching EJ Johnson who’s wearing carrying a purse that costs more than my house and where I like the scarf thing just eating a Del Taco in the back of the sky it was great so it’s it’s a simple show and it’s fun and it feels what’s it called right now it’s called grace Helbig has a television show yeah really cryptic time when do you expect I know you can never expect these things but when you hope to hear or something being feedback is really positive it’s out to focus groups right now okay I know it’s just so scary it’s your show and your entire future is in the hands of like dials where it’s like I’m interested turn to the right turn to the left when you’re uninterested in something which sounds like kind of degrading but I understand why they do it so we’ll find out at the end of the day like I said I’m really happy with the piece of content that we made and I’m slowly I don’t really have like a bucket list and I never have had like here’s my five-year plan but as I’ve been doing things in my life I feel like I’m creating and also crossing off things on my bucket list as they happen so for me I’m like if this doesn’t get picked up and I never do a pilot again at least I did that and I made one that I’m really happy with so great job and what happens if it does get picked up how does that impact the rest of the grace help world I’m not totally sure I think if it gets picked up I have to evaluate it I won’t stop making youtube videos it’s just how do I make content that exists online and how do I make content for a television that are all within the same brand and within within the same umbrella but don’t overlap so you students would be a daily show Monday through Friday I think you would start as a weekly show and then depending on how it goes who knows but I think it could be really interesting and it if it did get picked up it would be reevaluated we’re not rebelling just evaluating how does this all work together let’s figure this out well you know we’ve talked about you know I think when you really sit back and think about all we’ve talked about you’ve had an incredible year right we’re there with all this stuff that’s that started and all the things that you’ve accomplished when you think about those things you think about the book you think about the TV show you think about the podcast and the movie how does that make you think about the core of what it was you know what it was in in being a youtube channel and it’s now it’s so much bigger how does it make you think about the sustained success how important is this a sustained success of that main YouTube channel to you at this point it’s hugely important and hannah has this quote that I use all the time now that I was on a panel with her since you’re about to use it again yeah I am get ready she says dance with the one you came with which makes so much sense to me and like really was a turning point and how I thought about YouTube when I heard her say that YouTube has afforded me a lot of these opportunities and for me to not focus on maintaining that my channel I think would be a real bad thing so I the it’s interesting during this podcast cuz I don’t really give myself time to reflect on a lot of things that have happened especially in the past year because I’m always have the mindset of like just work forward forward momentum no time to really like look back because that’ll slow you down and then voila so so it’s crazy and the only thing I can hope to continue is making things that I would want to watch if I wasn’t me or want to be a part of this I wasn’t me and to cultivate hopefully an audience of people that are nice cool fun interesting people with a lot of potential and so far that’s been happening so it’s maintaining that how that happens not totally sure well I think it is happening has happened this year and I think it’s gonna keep happening yeah and we can’t wait to see what that is so and then a year from now hopefully you’ll be back here talking about it yeah I finally have my line of airplanes that I wanted to release I will still be living or at least one of us oh yeah and I volunteer to be the one okay why didn’t it work that’s the deal you come back in a year and at least one of us will still be okay here it’s a promise unless we die in the same accident that could happen I don’t want that my turn yeah we made it about us yeah we talked about that thanks so much grace you signed the table again yeah how does that work you know what yes you did scientific sound I was just looking at how you can get a lot from someone based on their signature and my signature is so obnoxious there’s exclamation points after it I would hate me if I didn’t know yeah I’ll just trace my own signature well it says grace one so you should put a grace to some bone there you go it’s as if I knew that I’d be back [Music] there it is an ear biscuit second biscuit with grace Helbig I’m really glad that grace came back on you know we’re friends huge fans of hers and you know I guess I was a little flattered to see in her vlog that she was nervous to be on the show she I guess she told us that too we started oh wait what are you guys gonna get out of me this time now that you’ve you know figured out how you what’s your approach and I do think that we haven’t really talked about this I think the two guys sitting across the table from you one who’s very large and one who is actually larger than average but people don’t realize it because the other guy is so large I think that might be intimidating or at least unfair it’s kind of like a the words not a trial but what’s the word I’m looking for an inquisition inquisition it’s not an inquisition you don’t have to convert um I do think that we kind of got to know more of get in Grace’s headspace and kind of understand you know her approach in separating her personal life from her her comedic public life because she was able to be very open about her philosophy of neither confirming nor denying certain details of her personal life without being open about those specific details that that’s there’s a nuance there but I think it’s important because she wasn’t just like I don’t talk about that shut up yeah she was I don’t talk about that now let me talk about why I don’t talk about that and I got to say I respect that I appreciate that like you acknowledged when we talked to her there are some things that we don’t get into we don’t talk a whole lot about our relationship with our wives with our wives are not in our videos as an example of one places that we’ve kind of drawn a line sure I mean she’s a comedian yeah she’s not a reality star right and there’s a there’s a professional choice to be made there as well as a personal choice you know I want people to want to spend time with me online because I’m entertaining and I’m funny not because I’m there’s something some juicy detail in my personal life that in it happens to entertain you and I will say that there are a lot of people I would say I would almost characterize it as a YouTube generation that is characterized by you are entertained by the fact that they are so open about their lives I’m not judging that and I’m not saying it’s right or it’s wrong I’m just saying that I personally I don’t know you do too and grace much more relate to I want to entertain you and I want to give you enough of myself personally so you can connect but you’re not being entertained by the connection exclusively you’re being entertained because well I’m thinking about what I’m saying and I’m trying to make it funny and I’m trying to make it interesting you know and I think that that’s that that’s a distinction and I think that you can only respect that let grace know what you think of her willingness to go deeper here on your biscuits tweet at her grace Helbig that’s her name and her Twitter handle yeah it’s pretty good and you know what look out for the book October 21st right around the corner October 21st is when the book will 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