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lighting is us it’s a retinal ink only air basket so no buttons join us we’re joining each other here on link join me right here at the roundtable for a discussion about sports and our interactions with said topic yeah just for our lives yeah to clarify this just before you tune out if you’re not interested in sports this isn’t like hey let’s talk about the Yankees you know or the Superbowl where we can’t do that this is capable we’re talking about us and how we’ve interacted with sports throughout throughout the years so now that you understand we’re going to be talking about ourselves now you can tune out yeah and to make an informed decision to exact this kit that’s what it’s called yeah when you when you when you get out early your d biscuiting I will say I’m not too active at sports these days last time I kicked a soccer ball was over the holidays though because I was staying with my my sister and brother-in-law and my two nephews and I was outside in the yard with the soccer ball and the neighborhood kids came and joined me and me and like eight other neighborhood kids where your nephews outside too or were you just out there with a soccer ball if at first one of them was out there and then it was just me and all the neighborhood kids and it was one of those things where I had a soccer ball and I was like you guys think I can kick it through that tree there’s a tree that had like a y-shaped in it you guys think I’m trying to impress a bunch of kids basically as where I was do it you guys think I can kick it and I always do this because if you do it on the first try they never forget it 45 minutes later even though they don’t know you you’ll be like that mythological guy that was at their neighbor’s house who kicked the soccer ball through the V in the tree yeah right when his first try it makes I’m gonna remember that the rest of their lives is what you’re thinking oh this is more revealing do you remember what it was like growing up there are things like this that you remember okay then a stranger comes out of a house and kicks and amazing I mean if you’re wearing a cowboy hat maybe or like there’s something else a little weird about you I’m tall okay okay and this is a familiar concept but hold on but you didn’t even know because I thought after 45 minutes in every kid in the neighborhood no the concept is familiar before you tell me what happened oh the concept of setting up a physical challenge like this is familiar to me because you did it our whole lives you we’d be walking down the street before we had our licenses you’d be like just pick up that rocket I bet you I can hit that the oh in that stop sign from ru hundred yards away well think about it spin the next two hours trying to do and what happens when you do it it changes your luck super and everyone around you and so what happened well 45 minutes later I did it for 45 minutes in the front yard kicking the soccer ball with strange kids well I did it and every kid did it and then eventually I kind of got tired the with a mom from one of the houses came out and started talking I talked to her for a while the kids tried it and then I went back to trying to eventually I got it and I’m sure those kids lives are changed so that was your recent where was the last time you kicked a soccer ball huh I do have a soccer ball on my garage but it we got it out the other day it was like totally flat it had died the soccer ball well you can revive it pretty easily you know to perform a miracle you can just like get a pump that’s a good point but I wasn’t I wasn’t willing to do that so that you just took my temperature on organized sports right there you know here’s what we’re gonna do we’re gonna take a trip down memory lane with our involvement in organized sports I think there’s lots of places that we can go some sad some happy yeah and see if there’s any lessons to be gleaned that I think ultimately may apply to us as dads maybe and having kids and their involvement or lack of involvement in organized sports but first I want to talk about underwear for a second oh really well yeah I can always talk about underwear and you guys know that we like to talk about me undies but since we’re talking about sports I’ll go ahead and relate it to my high high school soccer coach Coach Randle never wore underwear how do I know this because he always wore like soccer shorts in some days they were white and they were old oh man we’re see-through dude really and yeah my first as a freshman i sat the bench and where is the bench it’s behind the coach so I’m like looking at his behind where you should be watching the game well I’m like put me in coach so I don’t have to look at your behind through your see-through Umbro shorts the dude needed underwear well I think I like to think that he never worn away because he couldn’t find the perfect pair link what did he need he needed to know about me undies me undies are the most comfortable underwear you will ever wear I’m 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Creek North Carolina and I’m trying to figure out what what year this was I mean we’re talking the late 80s being like starting to get into recreations every mid to late 80s everybody you know if you were a kid it was automatic you were expected to play recreation sports and the biggest one in Buies Creek was soccer baseball was big but it was interesting how big soccer was I think it was the start of that recreation soccer boom but I started playing from like seven years old oh yeah so maybe even before I met you you know yeah I did not play you know we moved to North Carolina in 84 I did not play soccer when we lived in California but you know it’s interesting because we both got involved and we were both on the same team we had a weird thing going because I’m a little older than you there were the same year in school so we were be on a sober my birthday’s the next June right so we’d be on the same team one year and then I would age up yeah and so there was this alternating thing but guys the first coach that I remember is Tony oh yeah coach Tony I can’t remember his last name right now but he was this very charismatic super friendly awesome guy he’s black guy with jheri curl yeah he had a jheri curl at a time when I mean it was like I guess it was a little bit out of she was a dying art form but it was still it wasn’t just like crazy unacceptable at that point it was just like oh this is still almost in style we never thought anything of it no I mean but it was very much like Sam Samuel Jackson and Pulp Fiction yeah but it also had a mullet built into it I remember that specifically a jheri curl that went into a mullet and he called me link sausage well of course it’s creative so he and he had nicknames for everybody so that was a good first first exposure to organized sports for me I but I mean I like soccer I think it was when I got into baseball that it started to get into problems but you had some problems on the soccer field right yeah well like social problems well now this is actually you may have heard and let me just give it a little disclaimer here we’re gonna we’re gonna tell a number of stories on the show this week and we’re probably going to tell some stories that you may have heard if you’ve been listening to us in the various forms that we have told these stories in the past we’ve been doing this for a long time so we may end up repeating some things but so but you know you’re gonna hear them in their proper context so the first fight I ever got in was at the recreational soccer field which I might add was sloped at at least 10 degrees I mean this thing was so sloped and we played sideways on it so if you kick the ball straight towards the goal it would roll down the hill out of bounds yeah you had you had to that’s why they started bending soccer balls you know like Bend It Like Beckham to counteract the slope and the boys creek field it originated there on her field but there was a guy John Carson shoutout to John Carson I don’t know where you’re at don’t even know if you’re still alive hope you are but John Carson was on our team he was a big guess a big guy and let’s just I don’t remember him being a nice guy he was a jerk I’m sure he’s nice now if he’s still alive right man he wasn’t nice what he was annoying was a lot he was not a nice guy back when he was a kid but they you know lots of kids had issues and weren’t very nice but we were friends at the time and John Carson was picking on you and we were in doing that drill where you’re standing in a line I don’t know exactly what you learned in this drill but they set the ball up at the top of the box and you just run up there one at a time and kick it in no goalie can you kick it in an empty goal that’s the skill we all need to know you gotta set the bar somewhere but we’re standing there and John Carson starts making fun of you I honestly don’t remember what he was saying but I don’t I don’t remember any of this by the way but I’m except through you retelling it and he was picking on you and you weren’t doing anything about it now we’ve established before that you’re not you’re not a meek individual these days but as a child you were and so you didn’t do a lot of standing up for yourself well he was three times my size – he was pretty slow though but I was big you know I was tall at least yeah that wasn’t big around but I was tall and I just I remember the only thing I remember is just looking at him and punching him the first punch up ever thrown I ever threw and I push him in the gut right in his stomach and he was a rotund fellow do you remember saying anything to him before you know it lately caught him off guard that’s the call a sucker punch sucker punch riding the stomach it’s sunk in into his I remember the light-blue Buies Creek uniform oh yeah and then pop right back out and he just got this look on his face it was like a delayed reaction and he just sort of looked at me and he put his hands on his stomach and then he walked away and he sat down he never made fun of you again Thank You Rhett I and he still doesn’t make fun of me now no he doesn’t and just think he’d probably be here right now at the table pologize making fun of me if you hadn’t a punched him back then he’d still be here he’d be like the monkey on my back making fun of me constantly you know think about how my life would be different I doubt that’s true um you talk about those jerseys if you can go to my house right now I have all of my Buies Creek Jersey not surprised and you know I was I was number five or number 55 and I kept them in Lando sleeps in him now I mean soccer was an important part of my wanted to be 5 or 55 yeah that was my lucky number 5 so I get you know you got to choose your number and I always try to choose what five in it interests Tom and I kept all of them and now he’s Lando sleeps in them and as he continues to get a little older he can sleep in the large ones because I they get bigger as I got older and I I just somehow kept him because it was special to me that time of my life even though I didn’t particularly enjoy it enjoy it soccer stay with me now baseball as I said on the other hand was not good I’m I I distinctly remember being a Yankee you were on this team we’re in the black and gray outfit and outfit go to uniform yeah we call it a uniform where I’m from yes you’re from King crow as a coach and I could not hit the ball I cannot fine I could not keep my eye on the ball so I just remember swinging and there’s so much anxiety because everyone’s looking at you trying to hit this ball it’s not like soccer where the ball goes to you and then you hit of somebody else and then it comes back and you kick it yeah there’s a lot of focus on there’s a lot of focus people are actually saying batter batter better that you if you’re the bad I could not focus on the ball I figured out if I get beaned if I get hit with the ball by the pitcher because we had a pitcher by this point you get on first base and the only way I got on base no exaggeration the entire season was by getting beaned come on but this is a ball this is a bold move I mean I would I would stand really close to the plate so that I would get beaned that’s pretty sad isn’t it well it’s just cuz I would swing and it would be like guessing on a test I I never understood that I could actually watch the ball fly out of the pitchers hand and then make contact with it with the bat like I never learned how to do that and I just thought his most as lucky as everybody most kids are scared I was even scared of the ball I didn’t like them that hard ball going by me like that I was frightened of it it had long arms like I was more I was more afraid of the embarrassment of striking out I struck out so much that I got fed up and then I was like bring it on hit me hit me I got I’m wearing a helmet I don’t recall this just did this ever work did you kill I’ve never discussed it with anyone I just did it yeah yeah I got on base and sometimes I would get in a second base I don’t recall ever getting a home base I wasn’t good at any aspect of this sport but I remember in the outfield I would I would they put me in what which is the one where they don’t hit the ball to you right field is the least likely that’s we play that’s where I was and I literally prayed to God that they would the ball would not be hit to me like if you if you like had spy glasses and you looked at me on the outfield you’d see my lips moving like that’s how strongly I felt about baseball I did not want you know I didn’t want to be put on the spot well it’s interesting no confidence I feel like I had the strong feelings also as strong feelings as you did to not be embarrassed and all this but the way I didn’t want to be embarrassed is by not succeeding not doing something it wasn’t necessarily oh don’t hit me the ball just like if they hit me the ball I better catch it but it wasn’t praying I don’t get the ball hit to me yeah I just didn’t I didn’t want to pass the test I didn’t want to be tested now you said Ken crow go to coach and there was another guy that was with him there was a pair of guys that came in late they came in like in the in the night and then they left again you know like Tony was there for years bin Ian’s or also coaches for years King crow and this guy they were in for like a year and they were gone but did you know the other thing that they I just remember this as we were kind of thinking about this today the other thing that Ken Crow and this other guy did was karate that he seemed like a military guy they got a crew-cut cred red hair red hair crew cut you know those guys are always into martial arts right he didn’t teach me karate I didn’t take that well I might would have excelled at no they said they said karate is being taught and I was like well I need to learn how to do that I got a defend blank against joggers so I went and took the class and I remember I made it to yellow belt which you know most of you right now that’s not real far that’s like a couple of weeks maybe okay but the thing that happened is you got to understand we come from Buies Creek North Carolina a very conservative part of the country and Ken crow started talking about like the mindset of karate like getting into like the dragon and stuff getting into the trash I don’t even remember what it was about all I know is it kind of got into some Eastern philosophies and at that point kids started talking to their parents about this dragon fellow King Carl had to fly next thing you know King crow was gone oh and they stopped with the yellow bow we don’t want to know about this this Eastern stuff unless it’s Eastern North Carolina barbecue you know so King crow came in he left with King crow if you’re out there if you’re still high this is you know what we should just stop the whole thing about whether now they’re still alive right but you know because what if they’re not right then they well they’re not listening something for what’s true and so it’s like talking to no one here it is who’s here we should just drop the whole bit there’s lots of people who are listening we should probably talk to them yeah we should when did you get into basketball I got into basketball you know on my own we had a basketball goal at home even when I was in California and then we had a basketball goal that my dad took pains to build on the road you need to remember this we landed on the dead end and he just built the basketball goal on the road so I played with my brother there was no opportunity to play there was no rec league back until we got into middle school yeah and that was coach royal who is our history coach and PE coach was your basketball set history coach how long was a year to war of 1812 come on answer me now he was that he was a history teacher but he was a PE coach yeah he was Rock Island Beach yeah that’s you but he was the basketball coach and he was the soccer coach now the thing I remember about coach Royal with coaching soccer in middle school was you would goalie I was and I was a defensive man and if he got mad at us during a game he would clear the bench and he would do this in basketball too but in soccer there’s 11 people on it yeah that’s me but he would take the whole team out he didn’t take me out I will say but cuz there was no other goalie because the goalie has like gloves and you know it’s we have to change the goal he would take 10 of us out then and bring in the 10 people who were on the sidelines like the Signet strategy and just to prove rush legs to call that fresh less to prove the point that we sucked and we needed to be out of there and then of course they would we would start losing because we would be decimated by the bench yeah and he and he did this very same thing in basketball he also had a thing that he did when he got really upset at PE but also in basketball where he would thinking throws the ball at the backboard Oh like trying to break it we would all be sitting there and he would throw the ball he would be standing like at the 3-point line me with and he would just throw the ball at the backboard and it would bounce back and him catch it what wow that was impressive and that was the whole point did he ever kick a soccer ball through a Vienna tree then probably the point was not to scare us the point was to impress us and let me tell you I don’t know if I can do this yeah right and so he adopted the same strategy for basketball but the thing I remember about my eighth grade year of basketball was now you know anything about Buies Creek you know that’s the home of Campbell University of the fighting camels the colors are orange and black and the gym where the camels played was you know like a 9-iron away from the where with the demons play we were the demons the ps3 demons blue and gold blue and gold demons in the whole court of course is blue and gold well one year coach role comes in he says guys I am very excited to let you know that this year we have new uniforms mm and you know what they are the Campbell University uniforms so you know at this point you don’t know what to say couple of things to note a these were University uniforms for people who are in college and we were in sixth seventh and eighth grade okay oversized so they’re a little big and I was a big guy so I actually got one to fit but half of the guys had this universe was falling off of him now it was like 1988 or whatever it was so the shorts were still really short but it’s really big and we’re playing in these orange and black or really orange they were orange with black riding but they said Campbell on them so we got some moms to get this black they actually printed Buies Creek on a black t-shirt and then cut the black t-shirt out in a square oh wow a rectangle and sewed that onto the uniform so we played in oversized orange uniforms that had Buies Creek sewed over them we played on a blue and gold court that was eighth grade for me which made my vantage point as the official scorekeeper of the girls middle school they didn’t get those uniform made my vantage point it seemed like I was in the right spot I did not have to wear a uniform at all I could wear anything I wanted I got into the games free which is why I became the scorekeeper and then I cuz I wanted to be able to not pay to get into the guys games that I could go to the away games and how did you get roped into this I volunteered I was like you know I would you go with stats I’m good with I’m good with pencils and I’m good with numbers and I’m willing and no one else wants to do did you was there a girl on the basketball team that you were in sure no I I wanted to see the I wanted to watch the basketball games without pain and I also got to drop I was like $1 to get in I got to travel with the basketball team to the away games and be involved okay was your way of being involved be involved you know I didn’t want to be a loser because again it was in middle school if you didn’t play sports okay then you did nothing it wasn’t yeah it wasn’t like well you me and drama or I was in band this we didn’t we didn’t have drummer theater they would have that until high school but did you okay so and I didn’t want to keep score from the guys game cuz I just wanted to watch it so I kept score for the girls and am I talking are we talkin down to the the minutiae like rebounds per person like well no because you were keeping the score of the game because that was a person that was hitting the buzzer and stuff I was he had a little pet I was keeping score by player and assists what about rebounds and fouls rebounds huh no but I didn’t have capacity for that you didn’t keep it with rebounds I did that’s like how did you know when somebody had a double-double we didn’t maybe we did I don’t I’m pretty sure we weren’t keeping up with rebounds then you you shouldn’t have been doing that and coach Rose daughter Elizabeth she kept score it was a team thing keep score kept up with the rebounds right she keeps going for the other team by us to keep the other team honest yeah okay and what’s cool cuz we got to meet the really cool people from the other schools namely the score keepers from those schools not the that’s the cream of the crop that’s the top of the social because we had our own little identity it was cool did you get free popcorn you remember the popcorn machine no I didn’t get free popcorn but you do remember the popcorn machine they would break that sucker out oh yeah every basketball game and when I think about that that time in my life I smell popcorn in like locker rooms what does the opposite happen though when you smell popcorn do you start like want to do layups I don’t know that’s a good question right and bring some hot corn in here that’s probably a no like when you go to the movie theater you don’t like want to put on your fighting camels uniform but you okay so then of course after middle school we’ve got high school and high school was a bit of a breaking point for me not breaking away probably the it was a turning point is the word that I was looking for because it was a time in which I began to seriously consider but hold on you did break something I did and I’ll get to that in a second I began to seriously consider am I going to be a basketball player yeah well I mean you’re so tall and I had a goal in front of your house am I gonna play college basketball and maybe beyond that like is this gonna be what my life is and and starting my freshman year and really moving in my sophomore year it became a thing where as we talked about before on your biscuits and in the context of another story I would spend hours every single day during the summer when we weren’t playing during the year practicing those shoes strength shoes the shoes that had a special platform on them the big ball which is an extra-large basketball that my dad bought that gets you better with a regular-sized basketball so if the ball was it would still go through the hoop but it was bigger than normal just 1.5 times the size of a regular called the big ball so then when you when you use the regular ball it was just like no this is so easy at the ball smaller which it doesn’t make a lot of bein in the ocean yeah right like it may be and but I was I would do the AAU team thing during the summer and you know and because my life was sort of bent towards doing this and I took it very seriously now this get to get back to what I did break I took this very seriously this responsibility to be a basketball star I took it very seriously and my dad would film the game so that we could send them off to potential colleges for recruiting right and this is by like junior year and I think that this is probably caught on tape but hopefully that tape is gone but we were playing at Triton remember Triton the big rivalry sure to rival to harness central and it’s close game and coach gage takes me out of the game I may have made a mistake or got a foul or something like that but it was like a crucial time of the game he takes me out of the game and I look at him and I just kick the bottom of the bleachers I was there I remember seeing you goat to the back to the bench and it from my vantage point again this it was I would describe it as a tantrum yeah I was pitching a fit you kicked the bleacher I kicked the bleachers and then I sat down and as I sat down as I did something I’ve done something I’ve done something to my toe but of course a couple minutes later is like right get back in there I get back in there and I’m hurting I’m having trouble getting around but I’m like we got to win this game I think we actually lost I think I missed a shot at the end for a chance to win it’s it’s a sad story but after that game I was like to have my toe really hurt she said we’ll take you to the infirmary tomorrow you know we could go to the infirmary on campus at Campbell because it worked there because he worked there for free and they take and they take you to keep your shoe on until then or did you take my shoe off that night took it off I took it off and it was a little bit swollen but it wasn’t black and blue but long story short I had split the bone right down the middle the big toe bone now it just drank twice yeah lengthwise it had cracked but it was still intact and that’s why it wasn’t like super super painful and I ended up playing the rest of the season they just put like a little weird thing around it and you got you could go ahead and tell him about your records or the record because I know you want to oh I wasn’t even gonna share that but yes I will say that unless it has been broken this year and I don’t think it has going on 19 years now link I hold the single-season a three-point record for most three-pointers made in a season 77 my senior year I made now will say so and you tie someone with number of toes broken in a game problem right yeah 1-1 total toe somebody’s probably broken more that’s true so don’t on that one if you’re out there if you’re playing basketball at harness central I give you every opportunity to beat that record good luck but so I took this very seriously but I was thinking there’s another story that involves both of us which is an indication of how towards the end of my time in high school we got involved in other things we started a band the wax paper dogs and they we suddenly thought we were gonna be rock stars and we were making videos with that camera that your dad was filming you for recruiting we would take that right here so we thought we wanted to be filmmakers or like rock stars so your your commitment was waning it was waning but we were still a really good basketball team and I was still a really good player and we were in the state playoffs first round of the state playoffs I can’t remember who we were playing but we were playing the team that would go on to win the state championship spoiler alert we lost the game but here’s what happened we you gonna blame me for you losing the game is that what this story is gonna be the game was it that that night at like 6 or 7 o’clock right and of course school gets out about 3 p.m. and this is senior year so we both got our licenses we can we can drive somehow all right now I’m gonna say that this was your idea ok we’re like you know it was getting warmer because it was like March you know it wasn’t even March because the state playoffs would have been in February was February but it was a really warm day warm day in 50 when we loved to swim in the river and so first warm day of the year we haven’t been swimming in the river like all fall and winter it’s like well I think we should go today to the Cape Fear River and swim let’s let’s break that one open between the game between the end of school and the game yeah and let’s not go to the normal spot where we swim let’s go to a place that we’ve never been let’s go up the river into the woods and drive up to the little creek that comes off of the side of the river yeah so of the Cape Fear River let’s not only go swimming let’s get lost first right and even though it was warm the water was nowhere near swimmable Cemetery in North Carolina and I remember you know this is a story in and of itself but we jumped in and the water was so frigid that all the blood goes to your vital organs and it moves so quickly that you can no longer like paddle with your arms or walk with your legs you can’t move your extremities well I was standing behind you and you jumped in thinking I was always gonna jump in as 2 or 3 feet deep link completely goes under there he is completely submerged and then I just jump in after him and here we are swimming for our lives to make it across to an Island that was actually in the middle of the river between this this Creek and the river and we nearly died because I could not move my arms to crawl out of the water we expended we expended a lot of energy just getting out of the water and then for the man we got we yeah but we made it across to an island no doubt this was two hours later we were going up this island crossing over successive areas of the river these little you know shoot offs of the rip off shoots of the river and it was getting to the point where we didn’t have a watch and we didn’t have cell phones nobody had any of that kind of thing no and no water by the way or food or shirts because we took those off before we jumped in we finally make it back to the car at which we look at the clock inside your truck and realize I’ve got like an hour before I’ve got to be warming up for the game the state playoffs and so and then that was when we had a little trouble getting out of there right we’re saying yeah it ruined you you tried to back up we had a little we’re open you ruin your speaker anyway I expended all the energy that I had built up for the day trying to save my life in the river and subsequently had a poor performance in the state playoffs and I’ll never forgive you for the you would’ve but we didn’t I don’t think we ever told anybody that’s where you’d been you know it just looks a little sluggish okay I’ll own that one I think it you know it might have set the trajectory of our lives and careers we may not be here if we had water we would have won that game we would have gone on to win the state playoffs would you I’d be in the NBA right now water boy I could be a scorekeeper for the NBA you could I mean that’d be pretty sweet getting into the NBA games for free you got to keep up with rebounds though oh you really good they probably just have a rebound guy that can specialize that could be that guy soccer for me in high school was still the thing that was part of my identity you know again I didn’t want to be in the drama club and I wasn’t gonna keep doing band so I was good enough at soccer so I did that as a freshman they had hazing technique I guess is the only way to describe it where the upperclassmen would put all the freshmen in their place and this is before the days where bullying was such a hot topic yeah in hazing was I mean this basically happened every school in America every sport and you knew joining a soccer team that at a certain point there was going to be one day that you went to practice and all of the upperclassmen were going to haze you on the cross-country course mm-hmm before every soccer practice at the beginning of every soccer practice was running the three mile cross-country course so you run the three miles it’s like a rat a farm around a farm and a couple of country roads and then come back and have your an hour and a half of like doing your soccer drills while John Carson sat there holding his belly no he was being doesn’t in the picture anymore and I remember the day I remember we you know you’d start the cross-country course and upperclassmen a lot of them were better runners than me and they would always be ahead of me but then I noticed they were all hanging back and come to find out they went through a shortcut through a field so that when we went the long way around it was like a Western a scene in western movie we’re running on a dirt road yeah and we come on Bros just like every Western yeah I did have on underwear and we were Imbros oh I was thinking about coach Brando he wore Ambrose with nothing all day I remember running and kind of coming up a hill and as I started to rise on the horizon I saw all the upperclassmen lined up like prepared for war across the dirt road yeah but and I remember turning to a couple of my friends see were freshmen Michael gob I’m like this is it today’s the day this is the moment and so I just can’t you just kept running you just run right you know the running certainly slows to kind of like a trot and then a walk we’re just walking right up to him say all right guys I don’t know what they’re gonna do exactly if they’re gonna just like start pummeling us or something and I think it was Jody Yarborough oh-hoo-hoo engaged with me and what that meant specifically was turning me around and giving me the most atomic wedgie I’ve ever known possible in the history of man did he pull it over your head that’s what we were doing that’s what they were doing to all of us it wasn’t punching it wasn’t hitting it was so it was innocent in a certain way that we were all getting wedgies but he was giving me he grabbed my underwear from the back of my pants if he needed to understand the anatomy of a wedgie and then he just pulled and pulled and I remember bouncing off the ground like a foot off the ground every time he would yank and he and it didn’t stop just kept going the wedgie went on forever until I heard a huge rip it wasn’t a fart it was my pant it wasn’t you again though it wasn’t your actual legs the actual body coming apart growing coming apart like your toe that would have been bad it was the waistband of my underwear and so then I somehow they liked it ripped and then I turned around and he had him in his hand coach laughing like he had like scalp somebody like he scalped somebody yeah kind of a thing yeah and then he throws him in the dirt and then I pick him up and I picked him up what do you mean I picked him up they were my underwear I picked him up but they were ruined well I picked him up I mean I’m not gonna litter and then any sure that’s what you think I didn’t have pockets and I I’ve ran the rest of the way in with my underwear of my hand I listen in that case my pride is on the line I’m leaving the underwear in the field and the farmer can take those and use them as fertilizer well let me tell you I still have those underwear you’re kidding I’m not kidding now okay since I moved to LA I’m certain that I’ve thrown them away but I know that when I went home from college like back to my mom’s house and when I was gonna get married and all that stuff I still had them and I kept them as a keepsake as a keepsake in a box with my this makes it even more appropriate with my science olympiad medals in my science project ribbons and my my ripped up your high school variance it was a Russell it was a rite of passage and it was it was in that box that’s that keepsake box and uh because that’s when I became a soccer player now I know for a fact that while you may have received this this punishment as you matured in high school you became a jerk mm-hmm and in this sense like you became the guy on the soccer team that the underclassmen didn’t want to cross when it came to this kind of thing yeah not because I mean you’re you were you weren’t a big guy you were about the same size that you are right now yeah but I was mean you were mean well I I felt like you know if I endured that then I get my turn as an upperclassman to to inflict that same love that that memory on someone else and like I said it was meaningful to me but yeah I mean I wanted my retribution and so I gave my fair share of wedgies it didn’t go beyond that that was the extent of it that was the extent of it but and I you know what I will say I think that if quote-unquote hazing was limited to that kind of thing they wouldn’t be this big issue that it is you know what I mean yeah it’s it’s the fact that it’s it’s taken to places that are just over the line and inappropriate given somebody a wedgie I mean come on now you know let’s out let’s have a little fun here but it’s it’s just it becomes abuse right so I was a jerk but it wasn’t you know it wasn’t anything like that and I I did have my you know that wasn’t my only reputation I was I was also uh you know I had my accolades I had well okay I had the one game right I had over the course of my soccer career I started playing a little bit sophomore year but junior year is is when I got I got some points on the board first you’ve been playing defense and I’ve been playing the bench you didn’t play a lot but then when you did get to play like those defense Charles Charles was the left was the right wing and he would get winded and so I would come in off the bench and replace him and you remember this game you were in the stage I came to all the games I you know I came to support my friend link as he played and yeah I can tell you we sat together all of us who were not on the soccer team which usually was me and like Chris Gardner and I like a bunch of girls you know everybody else seemed like was on the soccer team and you you got in there and I will say that I wish that these two things had coincided I wish I had coincided with a period of time in which my dad was the announcer for the soccer games yeah but my dad got fired from being the announcer for the soccer games because all he would do the entire time he was announcing is talk about you whenever I was in the game he would give running commentary of only me he was like the linkster gets the ball linka reno he did because it was when the SNL thing was popular but he got fired but he because he would also talk about he would get coach Brent will put you in how about putting the linkster in he would give advice he’s the announcer he’s supposed to be announcing like special events and like the score right so they fired him after a few games but anyway about putting the linkster in coach come on doe air coach those two things didn’t coincide but I do remember this game they put you in and within minutes of you getting in there it was a corner kick and I remember thinking all right I’m I’m on the far side of this of this corner kid when this thing comes in I just got a you know I’d anticipate be ready I remember closing my eyes and flailing my legs and I remember feeling Oh more credit you gotta give yourself credit on that I might the ball was coming in and I was just like I’m just gonna throw my my foot up there and it made perfect contact with my left foot which I’m right foot it and it just zing right in there I first goal ever scored in high school history by me and we went nuts I also went nuts we went we were in this in the stands we mean of course there’s not a lot of people there it is a soccer game in North Carolina but we were going nuts because they put you in there and you scored first score ever and I was you would have thought that I’d scored the winning goal in the World Cup final like I was running around I didn’t take my shirt off but I was running around and giving everybody five and just like like you know just exultation and then it was not three minutes later but not three minutes later there was you know we were we were pushing in on the on the defenders and the ball eeks through and there’s like this a scrum I would call it like people just kind of scruffing around right in front of the the goal line and the goalie didn’t have the ball he had it for a second then he lost it and then I realized that the ball is at my feet and I walked it into the goal I didn’t even kick it but but nope when the last thing put the touch it was your left foot oh yeah yeah I walked in there my left foot it was like I’m not even left foot in I’ve kicked I’ve seen two girls with my left foot the only goals you ever scored by the way I never scored another goal but I had those that was my that was my accolade that was my game we were we were freaking out two goals one game one foot the off foot the left foot and I went into celebration mode again and I’ll never forget Josh Young who was the friend of mine in the forward at the time striker you know we get back and we’re setting up after I scored that second gone he leans over and he says when you score a goal you should act like you meant to do it I guess the way that I was celebrating everyone could see the look of surprise on my face as I ran around like did you see that I scored you know kind of a thing Josh young funny story about him eighth grade I’m playing baseball and I hit a triple and he’s playing third base and he was a little guy he got super little when he was in eighth grade yeah of course this were playing against Andrew so I didn’t really know him and he’s looking at me and I say what are you looking at he says I’m trying to figure it out he was so sharp you know and I had nothing after that you had nothing I had no comebacks but you had to stay in there on the base beside that little guy got me he became a great friend later a great friend okay yeah he taught me a lesson yeah when you score go act like you meant to do it I never played soccer in high school it was mostly basketball but I do have a cross-country I was on the cross-country team because coach gage was the cross-country coach and so he asked us to run cross-country as a way to stay in shape in the offseason right cross-country in my opinion is like soccer without having to do any of the soccer because I ran your course I got a wedgie on it and then I got no wedgies then actually I spent another hour and a half doing the actual sport but so you would just do the course and that was your sport but to get away I want to give you some perspective here of how it actually do that because it wasn’t that difficult to run the 3.1 miles you know the 5k but even during the meets the competitive meets the parents would come out mmm they would all sit in the stands because you would finish the race in the football stadium in the football stadium football field you’re not really a stadium and go around that last 400 meter so everybody could kind of see you and you come across the finish line mm-hmm I was so concerned about how I was coming across I didn’t really care about winning and you don’t mean coming across the finish line you mean how you how I looked finishing so what I would do is I would take off real fast I’d get out there and be like this isn’t worth it you know what it was a fourth trophy I would’ve said well I’m not here because coach gage wants me to be out here and I would end up walking during the middle of the meet and they pretty much let anybody on the cross-country team so even when I would run and then I would walk there would still be some people who were kind of in the same pack with me and then we baguettes well your legs are so long your your walk gait true it could by someone brought I can keep up pretty quickly so we get to the very end of it and I’m like here’s the part where we’re coming in and we’ve got the parents and everybody watching and I would get right to the football field and I would turn it on and I would just sprint that last 400 meters and I would past like 12 people black border guys coming out of nowhere just just in that just to give you some perspective that I mean I’m not prescribing this but men saying that you should do this yeah because I was still like not Nene we’re new to begin the front right but so what where the spectators thinking what were your parents thinking your parent he finishes strong well it’s it the if they weren’t your parents they didn’t know I never you starting they would probably think that guy just that guy is amazing he just showed up late he must have been delayed if he if he had started the race on time my dad would have been the gold medal my dad knew exactly what I was doing he says you’re not running in the middle and then you’re running at the end I wasn’t impressing my dad he was smart enough to know what but that didn’t change your approach no I kept it for their whole season because he never ran without stopping the one other sport that I did play my senior year was golf where there was a golf team and the thing I had observed from our friends who were on the golf team is like these guys are never in class you know golf season rolls around these guys get out early then when they play a golf match that day they it takes so long to play golf that are gone all day I mean this is this is the life and I like playing golf so I wasn’t very good at golf but I was I knew Coach Coleman Johnny Coleman Jimmy Coleman well enough to kind of you know kind of talk my way onto the team he was a father of a friend okay so and they let me play in one actual match because I would I was always on the rotation squad which you know you didn’t get to play unless somebody was hurt but you got to go and kind of drive around but they let me play and actually keep my score one time and I can’t remember which course were playing at but we’re playing at this on a hole where there’s this huge dogleg to the right so far to the right that you can actually drive over the whole dogleg and drive straight from the tee to the green if we can hit it a long way and the one thing I could you mean you could buy us the whole hole because it was a shortcut yeah drive a shortcut and to the green take the corner off yeah and I all I could do was hit it a long way cuz I was so tall and I could swing it sounds like what I’m gonna do that I’m gonna do this I’m gonna go for it maybe I’ll get a hole-in-one on a par 4 who knows and we probably needed it coach Coleman and the coach from the other team we’re standing in the tee box behind us okay just off of the side of the cart path it’s kind of hard to understand the visuals here but basically what happened was is I aimed to towards the green that was basically on the other side of some trees and I just I absolutely ripped it when I hit it a little bit too far to the left didn’t hit it far enough to the right and I hit the sign for the whole pole it says like Oh 10 like 3 feet in front of you know it was like one tee box down in front so you know probably 20 maybe 30 feet away I hit that thing and I knocked the crap out of this ball the ball deflects directly back at eye-level oh and goes right in between the two coaches who were standing right next to each other it went right between their two heads and if it had have hit one of them it would have killed him or it would have seriously injured them man so the the only is like the only opportunity I ever had when that happens what what do you say four is too late well everybody started laughing and then I just hit it I didn’t go back and hit it again and I just hit another ball because I was obese you know I starting to behind oh that’s my golfing that’s my golfing peak no no records were set if I had a killed one of the coaches or two coaches in one that would have been a record but that’s where you learned about tobacco yeah I was also this again it gives some context here this is an Eastern North Carolina I actually had my first experience which with dip tobacco from the golf team they did that on the golf team they had meant they had mint flavored tobacco you know you should try this is that Jody Yarborough he was probably he was probably partially responsible but by the time I was playing yeah I was a senior so it was had been passed down you know they all did it everyone make you sick the the mint flavor wasn’t as strong we weren’t doing skull out there at least I wasn’t oh but yeah so I had a little a little bit of a habit which sounds crazy for people to hear that that like we did we did dip but you gotta understand everybody on the golf team was doing it and I did it for a little bit and realized this is this is a this is a habit that needs to break so it didn’t last pass season yeah that’s good because you don’t really pull the ladies which I guess you couldn’t back in the day you could maybe I you know I think I mean after that in terms of organized sports I mean what you know I did I certainly wasn’t gonna play soccer in in college I did move to a defensive position where I wasn’t able to score with my left foot by sheer flukes but it just wasn’t my thing yeah and and you let go of the basketball thing yeah even though you could have played basketball and said we both went to NC State and kind of put it behind us there was no more organized sports for me since then I think I played frisbee golf with Todd Smith in college that can be organized by a small group like we would we’d organize meeting up and then we would play and I should get back into that like that there’s I don’t know if there’s a course around here but we never did like the Ultimate Frisbee thing which was like wait I played a little intramural basketball and that kind of thing but it was you know not a lot of sports happened so for me it wasn’t until we had kids yeah that that sports started become back into a picture part of our lives again right um back in North Carolina before we moved out here they had intramural basketball you know I was like okay Chrissy let’s get let’s get the kids involved in that so Lilly got involved in intramural basketball and then the next year I mean she didn’t love it but she did it and it was a good learning experience so the next year we got Lincoln to do it and I guess let’s see I mean he was like the youngest team so we’re talking six or seven years old so just getting started and we get up that morning for the first game and he’s just upset he’s refusing to go I’m like well son I you know I didn’t want to push him too hard because of all of my experiences but we could you know we couldn’t get him to articulate why I didn’t want to go and then finally finally he’s like we’re pants it’s like what I want to wear pants I don’t want to wear shorts because they had a uniform which it was usually has shorts had shorts and a tan top right that’s Brianne he said coming he was hung up on the shorts he would not wear the shorts we said well you won’t wear pants he said yeah and so we put him in some we didn’t put him in jeans we we had put him in like warm-up pants and then he’s like the only kid out there who’s constantly warming up constantly warm as an excuse for everything though I’m just warming up oh the games started yet so he was the kid out there in the warm-up pants and that that solved it we never got to the bottom of really what was going on inside of his mind like it wasn’t I mean he was shorts now he went a whole season as the warm-up guy he went a whole season in just pants and we were fine with that did he well don’t know but there was um and he was fine with not doing well and then when he played soccer like a year later he wanted to wear pants for that too and we were like you’re gonna be too hot and we so we we talked him out of that so we did get him into shorts when it came to playing soccer victory and then we moved out here and there was there was no basketball or no soccer for for for either one of them there’s they play baseball in Encino it’s like a big thing but they just don’t want to do it they don’t want to join a team I think it’s not knowing the kids and it’s just intimidating to kind of get involved and I think from for me because there was always so much anxiety especially with I mean it was an anxiety with soccer too I did I can say I never really loved it I was just decent at it if it want to be generous with the term but baseball I was very anxious and so it’s kind of like well if you don’t want to do it I get that because I did it and I always wished I didn’t want to do it it’s just question I’m getting them involved in something but well you know it’s funny because I almost felt there was more pressure in North Carolina to get the kids involved in something and also because we had done all this stuff you feel like well I feel like my kids should be doing something athletic you know I right and so we did the same thing we same two things that you mentioned in a different order we did recreational soccer and then we did basketball and this is when this was just locked we didn’t do this with Shepherd Shepherds to young soccer would lock it was this whenever he got close to the ball made contact with the ball he would look at the sidelines I like it you like look at who was watching him kind of like me in the end of the cross-country course uh-huh and we’re talking like a three or four year old out there and he’d get the ball and he’d run and then he started looking at the sidelines and you could tell he was running in a way that he wanted to look cool in the way that he was running and then he would lose the ball because you can’t do that you can’t do look cool and keep the ball and I was like and I were you telling it lock you got to be focused on the ball and he was too young to really articulate what was happening but he was so focused on what people were thinking about him that he was incapable playing the game and then we play basketball and I was actually the assistant coach for the basketball team I remember you got roped into that and I had to wear my shirt tucked in and talked about that on a good mythical morning at one point but one of the early good myth yeah yeah because they told you add tell you got a shirt Tucker man no I’m not that guy I don’t do that I’m the coach that keeps his shirt untucked the way you got it we did this is the standard here so I wore shorts and I tucked my tee shirt into him which is natin done that in years Wow but anyway I was a coach assistant coach I was okay as an assistant coach my son on the other hand was not great at basketball he didn’t score and I remember there being this thing inside me that was like you know I’m a little embarrassed I want my I want my kid to succeed at this and I and I don’t even know why but it was all because of me it was all because of my reputation and wanting to seem like I’ve got a kid who’s athletic but that but that was the end of locks like organized team sports oh that was thing whenever you whenever you found out that he couldn’t score you took him out no he didn’t care he didn’t care about it he didn’t want to do a ball as a dad you can’t do this it’s one of those things where if we’re like luck we’ve got to go out of town this weekend you’re gonna miss your basketball game we’d be like oh great he didn’t want to do it yeah so but then when we moved to California because things have changed quite a bit we moved to California and we move pretty close to a public pool and Jessie’s like you think we should they’ve got like a water polo team and a dive team at this thing you know what do you think he should do I was like well he loves to jump off of stuff he’s already broken his arm jumping off of something he might as well land in water yeah and so we take him over there and and let him jump a little bit off of the board and next thing you know he’s on the dive team fast forward that so that’s like how long we’ve been out here 40 years four years so it’s probably three years so yeah we probably did that about a year end so three fast forward three years from that point and now he’s on like a legitimate dive team he practices five times a week and is this is this is a high level of investment here and as soon as we finish this ear biscuit I’m getting in the car with my family and I’m driving through the desert to Las Vegas to a dive me that he’s going to be in for two days no I mean let me preface this he’s ten years old and we’re as a family we’re going out there this diving has become this thing that he is all about and it’s so weird because I never was able to do a flip I couldn’t do a flip never done a flip off the diving board I’ve always been big and unable to do that kind of thing I have no insight into this sport I can’t help coach all I can do is encourage him and be there but he’s suddenly become like this is like the thing he’s like that I don’t want to dive in college I want to get a scholarship and dive in college he’s really good at it yeah and he’s good at he’s naturally is naturally good at it and he and he’s any self-motivated he wants to do it so my sports have come become is going to these diving in Vegas do they dive into like a slot yeah they do like coin and you like a pool full of you can hit the jackpot you can that sounds dangerous I thought you’re gonna say do they like dive into like a really shallow body of water and in charge people for it or something like that but you went with a slot joke yeah I didn’t think of egis is place take a 10 year old but I guess if you put him in a speedo then it all works out yeah well that’s did you how did you navigate the whole speedo thing because he has wear speedo do you have to tuck your shirt in no the dads do not other so your but the dads all have to wear speedos no they don’t all dads have to wear how did you navigate the speedo with him was there like didn’t care at all he he the first thing that he had to wear was what they call jammies which is looks like biker shorts they’re you know tight but they go down your leg okay but then it’s funny because there’s this culture within diving and it’s like if you’re serious about this you wear the speedo and so now lock will go to this to the pool near our house the public pool and he’ll wear his speedo to go and dive and he’s like my guess status and I’m like I’m like you’re not self-conscious about this he’s like no dad because that’s what real divers do and he says and dad by the way once you get up on the board and you start doing all these crazy dives everybody’s like oh that kids legit and he horsies can wear a speedo so what about the shame conscious does he have to shave the legs well he’s 10 so it doesn’t have much of a problem with that but I don’t think that divers have to shave the legs I don’t think I think that’s a swimmer thing I don’t think it matters how quickly you enter the water but you know huh I don’t know I maybe I don’t know why we’ll find out about that I’m sure I think you’ll be shaving his legs and his arms but why do you need that for diving well exactly you see you need to be you need to be doing your research and thinking about this as a father you got to know what he’s getting into well that’s the thing because it’s gonna be like a biker man I went frankeour shaved I remember the first time we went to a dive meet and I was like oh that’s just what our weekends are gonna be I don’t want to do this I want to be committed to this kind of thing right but then the next thing I know he’s up there diving and there’s like another kid that he’s competing against on my own that kid Falls I’m like I’m the competitive nature that I have starts coming out and now I want him to be as good as you can of this and he’s and he’s he’s kind of like I was at that age so he’s self-motivated I don’t have to tell him to take it seriously he just takes it seriously on his own and I’m a diving dad now but it’s it’s interesting there’s I mean there’s certainly it mirrors your experience a little bit and that okay you found basketball you were really good at it your dad identified that and he started he started laying the groundwork for you to be able to play on a collegiate level and so that conversation even though he’s only 10 like he started to say and so and that’s the way the people around him talk – it isn’t like hey luck I something I don’t tell him I do now but I didn’t start by saying hey this could be you could do this to get a scholarship he’s ten I own that’s too early but at the team he’s on in the program he’s in that’s how they talk about it and so he’s just he’s he’s into that he’s in the he’s on the right team where that is an actual possibility yeah given the type of training right that he’s doing now but from your perspective I mean do you see it kind of being a replay of your own situation and then you know how do you navigate that as as a dad kind of knowing how you and your dad interacted with it and how you know he was excited to enable that but then at a certain point you had to break away and say you know what I don’t want to play basketball in college you know so how do you what’s your approach well my approach is I think about the way that that you know and you asked me a question when we did the first ever rhett and Link only your biscuit he asked me the question you know do you resent your dad or whatever for how I pushed you and and I answered the same way I’ll answer now and I don’t because I feel like there was something about my personality and in what I needed I needed to succeed at something like that even if it was just something what some people would consider is frivolous sport I think it actually helps shape the way I approach things you know and I I don’t I don’t think this is necessary for everybody I think it’s healthy for every kid to be involved in something you know whether it’s music or some kind of art or sports or whatever it might be I don’t think it has to be sports but to be getting better at something and focusing on something it’s something that’s difficult and something that causes you to face fears and I think that the diving thing is way more strategic than basketball if it was for me but like as I got better and better at basketball and ice and I put work into things and I saw results I said I’m gonna commit this summer to getting better at this and then the next year I was that much better than all my stats went up I think that that mentality is something that it translates it translates into the success that I’ve experienced later in life you know being able to be successful in college to have a to be an engineer for a little bit even though it was a short time to now doing the things that we’re doing I think there’s just a mentality of working on something putting effort in and then seeing the result yeah I think it’s and so it translates right I think it also resonated with your personality type so it was it was it translated and it resonated you know or it translated became resonated with you so those two things that if he doesn’t want to do it if he if there’s been a couple of times where it because this is a difficult thing this is a lot of time involved it’s been a couple of times where he’s kind of wavered a little bit and I’d be like like have you you haven’t been doing this for long and I don’t I in his reasons for what he was upset about or whatever weren’t really to do with diving it was some different issues I’ve been like like I think if you quit right now you would regret it and he he’s more into it now but if you know what as he gets older and he becomes more able to think about these things for himself and to make all these decisions and he’s like I don’t want to do this I mean if he doesn’t want to do it we’re not gonna make him do it but as he’s doing it right now I’m like listen if you’re gonna do this you need to be as good as you can at it you need to put the time in and my instinct is that that is gonna translate into other things and it is currently resonating with him personally yeah and and maybe your challenge as a dad is to not you know to not to push him based on your desires but to be sensitive to his I think for me it’s kind of the opposite is am I not encouraging my kids to get involved in in sports because I hated it so much and it was always such a source of anxiety for me so if they express they don’t want to do I’m like of course you don’t want to do it I didn’t want to do it either but there’s certainly the biggest challenge is not letting ourselves get in the way of what our kids need to be doing but there’s also finding the thing or the things that resonate with our kids because they’re their own individuals they’re their own people and we want whether it’s you know there’s benefits from doing sports even if it’s not their thing so by the way I feel like Chris and I are talking more intently about I think we should make them join some sort of a sports thing organized sports for one at least one term just to see season just to see maybe that maybe you should one term but I think the bigger question is getting them involved in a number of things so that they can discover who they are you know it’s what resonates it’s not that I have to it might be yeah it might be like I want to master this musical instrument or it might be that I want to paint or I want to draw or I want to be I want to start making videos or I just and we’re certainly seeing those things I think it you know I can go ahead and shuck a number of those boxes which aren’t sports related but I think it’s interesting that we you know we we came from a place to where those balling thing that you could succeed in with sports or academics and then in but nobody think about a for a second though in Buies Creek in 1985 1986 you were it wasn’t gonna be like I’m gonna be a piano player like that wasn’t an option especially for a boy if you were a boy it was and I’d say even a girl your opportunity was I’m either gonna be I’m gonna excel at sports and including cheerleading you know hmm that was your real opportunity and sure there were other things that you could excel at but he was kind of those were all extracurricular you know I feel like it’s just a different time I asked you know to me it wasn’t the pressure of I had pretty much come to the conclusion that Locke wasn’t gonna do sports I mean cuz he was in my mind kids who are really good at things these days they start you know bright when they’re barely walking I was like this sports aren’t gonna be Locke’s thing he’s gonna be into something else and this kind of things have just sort of turned out that way that he’s under this but uh to me I think the the what’s important is I’m just finding something that they can excel at like if it involves practicing and putting time into something and then seeing a result if kids aren’t doing something like that you know and your kids are doing like piano lessons and colored and all that other stuff you know oh yeah all that other stuff but yeah I I you know I feel like our experience and where we are now in our careers certainly has impacted the way that we want to help enable our kids to discover who they are at an earlier age you know we just kind of backed our way into it a lot of course everything we do none of it the paradigm for it didn’t exist well beyond just being entertainers or filmmakers when we were middle school in high school but you know that’s the thing I want to instill in my kids is self-expression and understanding yourself and having an opportunity to explore things and fail you know to find the one thing that you succeed at so maybe we should just invent a new sport you know maybe that’s what it is you know maybe it’s a sport where you wear pants like you know that’s part of it you have to wear pants just call it pants pants the sport and it’s just how quickly you can get on the most number of pants okay or you could just you could just be the art of wearing pants and it’s not a sport it’s just like walk around smiling oh yeah that’s true maybe maybe that team wants to be a model I feel about that feel great about it good-looking guy they make lots of Bank and they get free clothes you know you walked right off that runway and just keep going you keep close you know technically that’s not true yeah I know technically they’re not seductive all right but I’m saying if you just kept walking your goodies steal steal steal the key a thief so that’s really the moral of the story today kids is if you’re a model you should steal the clothes and parents you know we don’t envy you because we are one of you and it’s not easy but you know we screw it up and just don’t tell anybody yes and I would say you don’t have to talk at length like we do about it and yeah show your hand you really can’t I mean can you really get if you’ve got the best intentions and you’re in your care about the welfare of your kids can you really screw it up that bad it’s just like you think a caveman raised kids man Kate but they were cave kids in fairness you know they you know they’re they’re using words like hawk their etiquette around the cave was just embarrassing but I mean they’ve been doing it for you know hundreds of thousands of years and you know it’s it’s not that big of a deal so I think that we’ll be talking to somewhere besides each each of us and the next year biscuit yeah hopefully but there will be other ones where we’re talking to you so if you want to give us 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