[Music] welcome to your biscuits I’m Linc and I’m Rhett joining us today at the round table of dim lighting our Sam Gorski and Niko / Inger the founding directors and visual effects masterminds behind a popular YouTube channel corridor digital corridor digital delivers a unique and impressive style to the digital media space producing high-quality science fiction and video game inspired shorts often on tight budgets the visual effects in their videos are some of the best on YouTube yes right I should it’s some of the best on YouTube and in the past 5 why don’t you just say the best on YouTube link okay I’ll say it they’re the best on you Oh what I don’t know we also had pretty long on this shirt yeah this is Freddy W vs. corridor digital they’re all friends and they’re all great guys come on and collaborators yes they are but corridors is it was great let’s just focus on them yeah in the past five years they’ve gained over three million subscribers and 300 million views they’re also helping to redefine sci-fi because they’re bringing a lot of comedy to their videos like minecraft the last minecart which has over 30 million views are Superman with a GoPro which has over 16 million views you can see these are more than just cool sci-fi videos there’s a light-hearted and comical tone beneath all of this stimulating visual effects which really resonates with the Internet audience another example is the video called superheroes versus game heroes with over two million views and climbing can you guess what that one’s about superheroes vs. video game heroes that’s what it’s about oh thanks for clarifying so you got Thor facing off against Steve from minecraft great video I play a clip for you but it’s so much about the visual you pretty much have to go to their channel to experience how talented these guys really and you should do that after you listen to this biscuit where we talked to Sammy Nico about how they met and bonded over Star Wars what inspired that Superman 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I mean this is this is amazing it performed extremely well you’ve got Superman strapping on the GoPro on his head and then taking you know you taking me what was it that was it had it had your name on it he had like a lost GoPro and he put it on his head and flew around ah yes he took it off his head at the end give it back and this was right right around the time when you started seeing people use drones and yeah in their videos and who’s gonna do the next cool thing and you guys sort of took it up a few notches yeah so what’s the genesis of the idea for you and then we’ll talk a little bit about the execution of it well yeah Brandon was for those of well for those out there who are unaware the Freddy W channel needs to be Freddie Wong and Brandon Laatsch and Brandon is still in the same building that we are so will frequently work together and do stuff together every we were on a gaming show too but there is he need to shoot this short little video where he was like on the roof of our building and like Christmas presents are like shooting on his butt or something like that I can’t quite remember the details anyways and he did an aerial that was it that was pretty detailed yah i remember picturing like that christmas presents coming out of Brandon’s but that’s as detailed as I want to get I’m pretty sure it’s something like that like he flew away using like Christmas present sizes propulsion ok yeah yeah but so we were getting this aerial shot with the drone and it you know just dream like a crane you just flowering it over the thing you know over Brandon and we’re done and I’m like cool and I just you know crank the throttle decided to fly it around a little bit because we were out there the Sun was setting it was pretty and as I like floored it and like just started kind of having fun like thought occurred to me like man this is you know it’s really cool it’s like a flying I mean it’s whatever the biggest revelation in the world the things were flying at GoPro on the on the on the drone at the time roxette’s camera that it carried and so I got to kind of thing like you look at GoPros like you know sports footage you wear the GoPro and you fly a mic on you could maybe do something with like wearing a GoPro and flying so that’s kind of how it started um and then from there like we like Sam and I were talking coming up with different ideas you know do you just so he pops a GoPro on their head they start flying what else can you do I guess you get green screen some arms in front and you know make it look a little more natural like you’re actually you know filming with it um you can do some visual effects and new transitions like somebody’s running on the ground and they leap and then you know transitions to drone footage I think we did a test like that we’re just running on the ground and just pretended to do a little hop and then transition to drone footage and it worked flawlessly because and that’s just a cut like a cut any edit pretty much know like wish panty or yeah there’s like a little bit of tweak and sometimes you know just the blended shots but not too minimal I think it’s the GoPro is like it’s shaky it has this natural shake and that shake is perfect for like breaking your visual concentration for like that brief moment at a yeah so you just you just flew the drone in approximately the same place that you just shot that the guy with the GoPro on its head just like jump exactly approximated his height and then jump off yep from there exactly and so we were kind of working from there like so we hit a solid idea you know it’s really cool visual I wondered if he even still have that old video clip on our phones like you remember you posted on Vimeo or something like that we’re just experimenting and are shown to everybody just blowing their mind like this you know say I’m just running and then something like jumping up in the air and you know flying up really high and then the next thing that we did is you know start thinking about like how can we make this into a real video concept outside of just I’m a dude flying and when it comes to youtube it’s thankfully this land of like loose IP management we decided to pick a character that every simillar with which was Superman um you know Superman can fly and Superman with a GoPro sounds like a pretty interesting video that you’d want to watch but it doesn’t just quite end right there because you could throw a GoPro on Superman’s head you can fly around and that’s neat and it’s cool and it’s you know I’m sure some people would share it but it’s always nice to just get a little bit of that storyline in there a little bit that true line to like put that button on the package and that’s when Sam came up with the whole idea of like Oh a lost GoPro want I just get some sweet shots while I go deliver it to its its owner right because why else would Superman be you know flying around with a GoPro exactly yeah and then but can you fly a drone over Dodger Stadium legally I don’t know we didn’t actually shoot that shot at the time we were working with a friend Taylor shin taylor chin yeah that guy’s a total baller he owns the site him under the bus like site called like drone fly comm and he’s like he’s basically wonder he’s a drone pilot and like this guy who runs the site and basically we’d worked with him a few times in the past and basically he does like training sessions for people and so a couple shots in that video we’re like him out in like training sessions and just filming crazy stuff and then he sends it back to us and we just put the green-screen arms over it right so like going over the observatory that kind of thing the reserva Tori was us oh it really was yeah yeah yeah it’s a little bit of a mix here and there yeah the shots of Taylor did that he did by himself was a Dodger Stadium he’s actually he was showing drones to firefighters so they could use it to look at like burning buildings or something like that or forest fire yeah because there’s like a training facility out by Dodger Stadium and so since he’s right by there like we would want to get this you know some landmark shots so he just went and got the stadium shot he also did one we just like flying around I think Sherman Oaks which is like near the end of Superman’s flying back – yeah he basically did all the complicated shots in that piece but it’s pretty easily what’s legal oh boy yeah we’ve been talking about this it’s first yeah I try to figure it out right yeah I mean you’ve got drone shots in everything everything is please I mean it’s it’s this Superman video we did has been honestly one of the like the most like the biggest videos we’ve released not only because it was the fastest growing but the way it’s affected like our relationships and networks between like other companies and interviews and just like all these like things and opportunities have actually come out of it just really cool like you know last year and this year at NAB we’ve like been doing like professional panels there and we won this like the New York City drone Film Festival with that that video and and we just did an interview – with the Wall Street Journal recently where this this drone grey area came up yeah and yeah it’s it there’s no clear there’s no actual definitive answer on anything right now because there weren’t any rules to begin with like when he shot Superman with a GoPro there was like no regulator there’s no rules and then FAA said you know what no commercial flying until we make rules at which point everybody who was doing flying for video and film and real estate was like my invoice now says graphic design instead of drone flying yeah you get the sense you know even that shot especially because the stadium is empty at the time you get the the sense that you’re seeing something that you’re not supposed to see and I mean I think it’s I think there’s a story about this recently and it just makes sense that this is gonna start happening more and more just okay hey there’s a celebrity that I’m a fan of I can I know where they live I’m just gonna fly drawn into their backyard yeah and go right into the open backdoor I mean like that’s so it’s so easy to do right the problem is getting it back when they shut the back door we just fly over the pool you know it’s true and you know I think that’s to the credit of the community out there of drone pilots is that you really haven’t heard any horror stories yet you haven’t heard of anybody really getting too injured or things like you know flying a drone into a celebrity’s backyard or something that are looking through the bedroom window it only takes one it does only takes one South Park episode though no the drone one mmm okay well it’s just what you mentioned they’re flying it into a backyard and up to someone’s windows that’s what the episodes about you should you should check it out because that’s the first thing that you think about I mean let’s talk about another one the ghillie suit man I don’t even know if that’s how you say it yeah I didn’t know if you tell me what a ghillie suit was you know I don’t know and I’m from North Carolina where there’s plenty of hunters but when I saw it oh it’s a it’s the suit that like hunters wear it’s basically like a walking duck blind yeah for it for hunting any blending in yep do you have experience with that Kim with was just like somebody had one year like oh well we got to do something we decided to get one for that project specifically yeah play a lot of video games and if you play a lot of first-person shooters you’re pretty familiar with the concept like a ghillie suit yes it’s like the ultimate sniper camouflage the funny thing like that video is actually more of a has more of a story with us to do as like a studio and growing as a production company because over the past year we’ve actually ran a patreon campaign yes we were you know it’s crowdfunded crowdfunding for our videos and this is only for our videos that aren’t sponsored so let’s just you know get a little crazier and actually like you know pay our crew and that kind of stuff we’re just doing a you know simple video it’s not you know not supported by anything other than ad revenue all right so people pledge a monthly contribution $1 $10 you can do monthly or you can do by video and so we actually do it by video I’ve done in return we offer like rewards for those videos like we’ll actually at a certain tier we give people to all the After Effects files for our effects shots so they can just see how we did all our effects but the ghillie suit video is actually for those who don’t know we have another like a third a guy in corridor digital in his name is Jake Watson and he’s our producer and he helps put together all the shoots and helps you know we’re all trying to run the business and he helps with that as well and then we have another kind of team that’s expanding we have Ren Ren Waichman who runs the YouTube channel rend the Reaper he’s done a lot of his own stuff that’s really cool but he’s kind of working with us full-time now along with a couple of people here and there but the ghillie suit was actually Jake going out and wanting to put a piece together because you know Sam and I are getting to do all the fun stuff and direct and cope with all his ideas so Jake sitting there like yeah we weren’t actually on set for any of that okay yeah and and that’s actually been kind of this thing we we’re trying to figure out how to do these days because we have so many talented people we work with and there’s only so many you know projects we can be involved with at one time so it’s basically the last few months in combination also with you know working with people on patreon is is this opportunity for other people to come in and have their ideas made and they can direct and you know we still have that channel to post things on and so so your patreon account you basically I mean as of looking today it’s like right around five grand per video yeah so you said to Jake hey all right here’s five grand make that one pretty amore take pretty much like you were – yeah and to be fair like when it comes to patreon the actual number of dollars you get is usually about 75% of what you actually see okay I’m just because that’s like what’s pledged but what people actually would you actually get when you run credit cards and the time comes different but yeah but yeah so that was a chance for like you know for Jake to go out and actually hire a camera guy who’s you know a friend that we’ve worked at the ton but you know hire a guy who could come out and shoot it who’s talented that actor is hired you know I get it so I mean it represents you guys growing from just being a two-man outfit or I know you’ve been working in certainly collaborating with many people over the years and have people that you work with actually hire but taking that next step but yeah you know that it still fits your the tone of your brand that you know that is okay you’ve got it’s it’s the brand is a mix of special effects and action and mm-hmm you know I’ve found it interesting that that was that was more I mean it had some special effects in it you know a guy got shot check check the box right up but it’s you know it’s much more of a comedic video hmm but but there’s a but there’s elements of comedy and pretty much I would say every single one but most of the videos you do that’s a part of your is that something that when you think about your brand is it that defined that well we’re gonna we’re gonna take the committee cake on this or is that because it gets more views how does I mean honestly if when it comes to making a video three minutes long or four minutes long or five I mean making things funny light-hearted is I feel like the key to success on online videos because like to really snap somebody into like a serious like you know perspective when they’re watching some it it takes I think a little bit more like immersion then online video can offer you know you’re watching something on your phone it’s like how quickly are you gonna get like seriously emotionally invested in something that’s very serious like it’s it’s harder to do that on a to three-minute scale so we’ve kind of like tried to find that way to you know avoid I guess avoid like accidentally like making something super serious and then a comes off really goofy and known gets it it’s like you know it’s it’s in the interest of keeping things fun and entertaining and not slowing things down to how’d you how’d you discover that or is it just an instinct ah it’s more of an instinct I feel like I mean because you know it’s like we love really cool serious movies and like David Fincher is one of my favorite directors and most of this stuff is like you know 90% serious right but you know I feel like as YouTube creators and also our personalities too it’s like when you’re making video game inspired stuff fun and entertaining aspects of that are like so important to getting it right so you know it’s interesting because it’s I mean that’s that’s quite an insight I think that do you guys kind of see yourself or do you want to be guys who are kind of changing the landscape and way people think about sci-fi or you know it’s put more humor into that landscape and the way that you guys have kind of done it on the Internet now moving into something that’s you know longer form but still carries a humor yeah well definitely I think as people like as a younger generation that has grown up around cameras girls older and older they start to see the process just a little bit more yeah within that process is a certain sense of humor also the more serious something gets the easier it is to get a laugh out of somebody you know it’s that whole like comedic relief at the end of you know intense scene so even just us going out and shooting something like we have to remain aware and acknowledge when stuff is getting too overblown or too dramatic and you can still have a dramatic moment you can totally make it so people can enjoy that dramatic moment but you have to also be able to acknowledge when you’re getting ridiculous and like when you’re going over the top are you guys philosophical when it comes to these things you certainly seem very thoughtful is that the type of thing that I mean you you have a thoughtful approach to it is it does it define the type of conversations you have I mean yeah pretty much I’d say so we try to like we don’t actually have that I mean we have enough experience from the last few years on YouTube and really getting our content out there before that we’d made videos together and we just didn’t really have that big of an audience to like discuss and get critiques from but after doing it on YouTube like even though we haven’t tried everything we don’t actually have experienced you know like all around the board but um we certainly have at least like you know you have those you get those intuitions very quickly after you’re doing stuff and I’m sure you guys have that too it’s like what works what doesn’t work even if you haven’t tried it or you you know you you know you can imagine it working out or not working out and it starts to just guide you so yeah it’s just really that collection of experiences good instinct gets you pretty far but after you’ve been doing it for a couple years and you start having a team of people that like are actually living off you know you’re the production company you want to start stepping away from gut instincts and trying to define how things are working just a little bit more specifically well let’s go back to the beginning the developing of those instincts I when did you guys first meet like junior high school yeah about we actually worked together on the video for the first time in nine when we made a Star Wars fan feel about 14 years ago is that one on youtube the Star Wars fan tonight we’re uploading it April first roll first it’s coming out whisking me up the best thumbnail but it’s gonna be a 14 year old and we were 14 years old so by the time this comes out it will have been out so people will be able to watch it yes speak freely alright is it so is this an April Fool’s prank yeah yeah it’s because it’s gonna be a people are gonna you know see our subscription feed and they’re gonna see we upload this super-sick half hour long Star Wars fan film and there’s a behind-the-scenes to go with it we’re gonna talk about it can the the I mean how you go from eating to making a half-hour Star Wars film well uh well that’s what you know ninth-grade you know got a lot of things on your plate really yeah that’s that’s really about all I can say the Phantom Menace just came out yeah so I was like Star Wars is pretty cool again who’s who had the camera Sam’s a dad and my go1 had actually ran like a online business back in the day and like yeah Sam had all the swankiest gear I thought they just started with the gl2 I didn’t even know about the pretty great so what kind of effects did you guys throw in there and how did you achieve those frame by frame you know in After Effects so you can like animate things over like a few frames we didn’t we weren’t even doing that for our lasers in lightsabers I was like it was frame by frame in Photoshop imagine drawing a line over yours and like yeah just like line after line after line so I think Sam did lifesavers for a month you know even longer than that and what was your intention with the film at the time do you be in Star Wars be a part of it and yeah and we did it but 14 years ago where who were you gonna show it to best friends like the school news broadcasting program or whatever George Lucas George Lucas big hopes there’s gonna be the best our Sam film anybody’s ever seen which it wasn’t really in all seriousness like a total of probably about 20 people have seen it yeah well not anymore how’d you talk about it because people liked it I mean odd but on the internet though it’s gonna be hundreds I think deep down inside like pardon me like I knew I want to do film like way back then so I think there’s a part of me that’s like someday someday when like I’ve made it I’m gonna put this out there and ever he’s gonna see it so a day is whenever this comes out – however many days it is April 1st so you’ve made it is that what you’re saying I mean it because I think that’s it yeah a lot of us as we struggle to link your right define the genre and it’s you can only say there’s that next thing I want to do as an artist or as a creator or I want to get that many more views or subscribers or I want to make this type of film it’s hard to know to take that moment to take that breath and assess and say you know that the dream that I had as a kid I’m actually living that now alright so you’re saying you have that realization yeah I actually had two benchmarks for when I had made it oh wow an actual quality at smarten final that is large like extra huge pack of bacon I was like when I buy that pack of bacon I’ll I’ve made it did you buy it Harley Morenstein bought it when we did our collab with every real time that exactly like same branded packs was like a forty dollar bacon that’s not like when a bearded belligerent Canadian yeah except you see like I made it because we were doing a collab with Epic Meal Time was symbolic okay symbolic bacon and the second one rolled Star Wars our Star Wars fan film going up and confusing hopefully finally seeing it finally having what’s the name of the news audience that’s spin-off Star Wars movie oh I know which one you’re talking about yeah that’s gonna be the title of the one we release just by Christmas did you guys have I ask you this because you know we’ve known each other forever and had these ambitions and we would we would have these / serious conversations about what we wanted to accomplish when we grew up did you guys have those kinds of conversations that you kind of look back and you’re like well we were we were dreaming we were crazy you know I mean honestly the only conversation that we kind of still have is like all right what is like when are we gonna make that huge big budget project you know whatever that form comes in but like even in like back in high school even like after this stuff after finishing the Star Wars you know project you know that was still the thing is like man I wonder when that’s gonna happen how do you do that like how does that even like come into existence you know and we’re still like very close to hopefully figuring that out but like still that’s that’s that one little nagging one where it’s like how do we make something like the stuff we saw up in that movie theater screen or on TV or whatever you know so like yeah I don’t know what’s that do you guys do you guys have a moment or like a benchmark at which you considered it you made it well smart and final across the street like this huge thing of toilet paper in the trunk do we do we have a benchmark like that a bacon bench Monica yeah bacon benchmark I think it’s it’s you know it’s very much a you just kind of find yourself in this process and you’re like well if I could a year ago if I hadn’t known we were gonna be doing this I would have been very surprised but now that we’re doing it I’m still thinking that this isn’t that cool and what are we gonna do a year from now yeah and I kind of feel like that’s just a constant mindset that anybody in this business who’s ambitious and who has a goal you know because when you when you talk about that that that thing you know that really resonates with me that thing that seems not that there’s anything wrong or anything we’re not belittling YouTube and having an online audience and you know we could have we never set out to achieve much with good mythical morning and that’s become like one of our main things right in terms of audience not that those things are not important but yeah you always think but it still doesn’t feel like I’ve done the thing that I respected in a certain way yeah my entire life yeah I feel like in a weird way like that will almost never happen you’ll never catch it it’s never gonna you shouldn’t catch it right because if you want the moment you do it’s like oh well I’m just gonna kick back and die now it’s like yeah at that point it’s it’s I don’t know well then the mediums always changing you know by the time right oh yeah that’s if we ever get to do a big-budget film which hopefully you know we’re on track to do like it’s gonna be very different than what big-budget films were back when we were watching them when we never and when he hadn’t made videos when he wanted to make them yes Nicolas Cage he’s gonna be out of the business which you know it’s a great segue into the snapper hero thing you guys are doing which kind of explain really quickly for people who might not know what what that is alright so snapper hero is a series that is exclusively for snapchat not snapchat the company but literally just we’re putting it on snapchat story-wise it’s no differently than any other half hour long series you might watch in places but what’s unique about it is that we are telling a story about a group of friends who discover they have superpowers through this this social medium snap Chandos friends are youtubers or vibes or a snapchatters exactly who you know in those mediums exactly people who are already you know very natural on that platform now we got to take one step back though and I mean we almost have to level set about what is snapchat because I mean there’s still I mean when is the first time that you personally got on snapchat and was it when you signed on to direct snap no this is about a Europe for me it was about a year ago and I’ve been using it and Brandon was like a snapchat and like what snapchat it’s like it’s this weird thing people send dirty pictures with and like all right so I get me that yeah so um we you know I’d been like messing around with it and it was like all right you know that’s it’s like your stuff disappears on it and I didn’t really get into it too much but um what ended up developing there’s all this disappears on it yeah you said things and it’s everything expires it is a it is a video and then one of the limitations of the video well basically it’s so it’s started I’m still not on it so it started out as just a messaging app where your messages disappeared and then eventually text text and photo or video everything’s got an expiration timer on it you can only see it for X amount of seconds and you can set that yeah and you can set that and so what they ended up integrating after that was this thing called your story or the my stories tab so rather than just sending a video let’s say for me to you I can just post the video under my name and anyone who’s friends with me can watch it it still expires though but only after about 24 hours and an asset of a few seconds what’s the link limit and then about 10 10 second long videos is the max but you can put as many 10 second long videos up you can chain them as long as you can put chain after chain after chain of 10 second long videos but it’s a 10 second long video maximum and do they live until a user accesses them and then they expire that’s what’s different about the stories is because the stories are alive for 24 hours after posting forever and you can watch them as many times as you want unlike the direct versions so it’s you know it’s like the same equivalent of imagine like Twitter each time you make a tweet it’s there for 24 hours and then disappears and it’s just like that except for these little video clips so interpersonally how would how do people use snapchat like I was grilling Alex and Ben who work with us on our team because because they use it all right well yeah you hear the thing about will people send dirty pictures yeah but I mean did you use it interpersonally was basically in nikko when you when did you start using it well here basically it’s it’s it’s it’s like a slower more documentary version of vine vine is like very like heavily edited because you have very little time you know it’s like quick little mini scripted story haha joke punchline the end snapchat is a little closer to it’s still in that it’s in that vein but it’s not it’s not so like it’s not so self-contained because you can just keep stacking these clips after Clips after Clips and you can make these as long as you want so that the stories and stuff you’ll find on there are a little more about like immersion and seeing a location or seeing an experience just telling a joke but that’s if you’re an entertainer if you’re following an entertainer if you’re just interpersonally wanting to snapchat with your body you just want to see like like I don’t know an orifice or something well there’s a certain psychology about it when your messages expire like let’s save let’s say you’re texting well what’s so funny commuted orifice I was like why do you say oh ffs what’s that I don’t know FS man it’s good for showing orifices babies also well so the psychology aspect real quick so I said I text you and I want to text you a dumb picture right well I have to go to it to save it to send it you get it in and it saves and it clutters up your phone yeah you know it’s like if I’m gonna send you a picture and a text message it better be a frickin good picture mm-hm you know but snapchat is all about like you know don’t sweat it it can be a picture sorry can I say yeah yeah exactly so it’s like yeah I’m just gonna send you a casual picture whatever who cares and then like you’re like ha that’s mildly amusing and I’m gonna send you one back and then it just facilitates this kind of really relaxed communication with media and it’s over because then it’s not like you’re going through your text later and you know like I had this conversation with somebody yeah yeah like that was boring or pointless or I don’t know I’m not saying it was grotesque it was just boring yeah it wasn’t an orifice do something better with your no a mess so you’re not high okay I get that so it’s just well it’s you know it’s it it’s just gone it’s like saying something in this out there and then it goes away exactly extremely hurtful and then it stays in your cycle forever it changes who you are and yourself is your self-worth so how did you get involved in this in this project well some people that have worked with us in the past knew the producer who was putting together the snapchat thing and he was looking for somebody that could direct this really unique progressive really yeah experimental I mean we pheromonal is the best way to put it we shot I won’t call it progressive just yet cuz I don’t know if it’s really progressive cuz we’re we’ve spent our entire careers learning how to shoot like really cool widescreen shots with fancy lenses and then we took this project and suddenly we were doing running around with our phones doing selfies something which is usually I I’m I’m very against doing usually moralize I’m like I’m like what am I doing with my life selfie yeah I think we shot more minutes of vertical video like consecutively than anybody else in history well you know well we well I’m go ahead and ask question just because you’re talking about the selfie thing I just assume everybody was shooting themselves until I watched the behind the scenes and I see Harley shooting himself but he’s actually just holding your hand Nico holding your wrist and my exactly yeah anytime there’s a tricky shot broom we need specific angles and framing usually our hand is they’re actually holding them okay so that was the entire process no hardly knows how to shoot itself or just for Harley yeah goes back to the whole cast thing you know maybe when he holds my wrist but yeah making sure you know it’s not just like we’re not just working with actors we’re working people who are like you know this kind of platform in this town of media cuz it’s like alright you’re the cameraman Harley and here’s the phone and we’re gonna step back and just go film the scene yeah and yeah it’s not really cool but what’s the story and how did you incorporate audience feedback in real time into the actual story well the audience feedback came first actually where they this snapper hero community like the whole team running back kind of put together this whole thing I’m like here’s your actors are gonna be does anybody have any power suggestions go through those arms so that’s Harley that’s Anna who we talked to recently just rain Simone Shepard and Sean Doris ready up in there to Freddie Wong yeah there’s a touch of Clinton Jones and so they they snapchat it out I’m doing this thing tell me what my superpower should be in my as a character as myself in snapper here yeah or what does my wish my costume be etc and so we worked with with that is a mix like there with our own ideas with what we wanted for certain powers and certain things but a lot of what the fans came back with like meshed perfectly with the story and so we were able to kind of put it all together into yes cohesive but the psychology of it that you explained it it runs contrary to everything I feel as an artist if I’m gonna put work and time and energy into something I don’t want it to be gone in 24 hours in the first part is gone before that sucks that lemon part comes out yep so it’s it’s interesting how did you did you grapple with that because a little bit but you know the thing is when you’re watching let’s say you’re chilling on YouTube right because it’s your lunch break or whatever and you pull up of it you know looking at your sub feed and it’s like yeah that could be a cool video I’ll watch it later and then you never watch it it adds value yeah it’s it’s it to me it writes me think I gotta get in on this because it has a certain shelf-life yeah and I’ll be honest I need to watch it like you it’s not the series like we have like recaps on each episode and it is designed i mean people aren’t going to see every single clip in every single episode so the series isn’t necessarily designed to be like oh you missed it too bad you’re screwed you’re this next episode is gonna make no sense and you’re gonna hate it you know so it is designed to have people be able to pick it up and we actually saw the numbers of the the third episode we released were higher than the first one so like more people came in to watch that third episode than you know and you designed so that would work yeah pretty much hopefully there’s no comment section to read to see if we can get we can see like screen shots and how many people are like saving frames in the in the series to help give a reference of like what people are like so you don’t even get a sense of how many people watched it we know numbers you get you get that raw number mm-hmm yeah and and when is it done when is its run the last one comes out on a roll this conversations could it you know people listening to this right now in in our future their present yeah it’s already called they can’t even watch like we’re talking about something that they’ve missed yeah well I’m sure somebody isn’t that’ll put it on YouTube well here’s the thing we have we have ideas on how to fix that you know as video video games by the time this has happened there might be another home for it but we’ll see who knows but I mean the thing at the end of the day watching it on a phone is the way it was designed ya know right and it is on another platform you gotta watch it and that was the weirdest thing you know shooting a project vertically on phones and everything and it’s like you watch it on a computer screen you’re like this sucks and then you watch it on your phone you’re like oh my god I feel like I’m filming this like you feel it feels like footage that you’ve just shot or it’s like it’s actually happened it’s amazing you’re holding your I mean you couldn’t even list on the front end of this project the things that you think you would learn that’s that’s why I’m so pioneering about it and what’s so exciting about it yeah how was that’s amazing how was AT&T involved basically they they funded the project they were lighting and I think it’s kind of funny because I was like man you know like all they’re all they’re getting in all they are asking for is pretty much you know they want to have like you know the thanks to AT&T you know because it’s a you know it’s sponsored by them and I’m trying to think like you know like what do companies get out of funding projects like this cuz I know what I’m getting out of this I’m getting an amazing opportunity as a filmmaker you know it’s like this is obviously like I’m happy to do it but um but yeah it’s like you know I can see I can see why they want to do this stuff because you know it’s like snapchat is a new platform you know it’s on their devices etc and it’s like this cool way for us to make content and then to like you know it’s like people using like AT&T services etc it says so so it wasn’t necessarily I mean cuz AT&T it’s just a provider it doesn’t have its own phone actually have kind of had this relationship with Samsung where they there’s like an 18 t version of the Galaxy Note 4 what you’ll see a lot of the characters using in the PS but not everybody we don’t show any other phones okay you don’t show any other but but yeah but all in all though like I’m really happy with the way it worked because they you know they were not involved with like crazy or anything like that TV TV 14 is yeah it’s like TV 14 and we’re like that’s about it we got it interesting about it like him I’m still processing all this snapchat this snapper hero specifically you know you think about the appointment viewing it’s it’s giving a new generation the sensation of what television yes used to be exactly yes you could if you missed if you if you didn’t make the point if you weren’t sitting in on your couch watching it when it came on you missed yep unless they decide to put it back on so it’s this it’s like this retro kind of yeah sensation of that adds value to it yeah I’m not sure how how effective it is still yet but I have because I haven’t seen like the positive aspects of that we won’t we only hear the negative aspects like why are you putting on snapchat i I don’t have snapchat I don’t want to sign up for just to watch this dumb show and it’s like secretly they’re like you know snapchat free yeah but you know not everybody has a smartphone okay yeah which I’ve forgotten or maybe they’re not allowed to I mean there’s so many things there’s so many things you know but at the end of it kind of shows you like you know also why I guess we have chosen YouTube it’s so ubiquitous and like it’s such that’s why it’s been the best place for us to post most of our you know content is just because everyone can watch videos on YouTube right Wow as doing this project led you to think we as a brand corridor digital need to get in on this snapchat game game more directly or is it just this was a cool project maybe we’ll do something else like this but yep uh I think it’s mostly the latter actually as more prio as more revelation that we should get on the Instagram game well because the thing is like you know it’s this is like ease of communication it’s this like posting of small minor pictures and videos like when we make a quarter digital the video like we craft the heck out of yeah like you know that’s a ton of work isn’t that video so what about those little simple videos and those dumb little pictures and those little funny moments that we have like where do those go then sometimes they go on our Sam and Nico channel but they’re not always right for that yeah we’re just talking about that the other day I was like oh there’s be funny video yet I’m like I think that’s a better Instagram video what’s the dynamic between the two of you how often do you argue like how do you what what’s the depends on how much preparation we’ve done beforehand only shoot like if we’re winging it it will argue a fair amount but what does that look like like kind of likes it’s like it’s like this is a good shot and then someone’s like no this is a better shot and I’m like I’m not moving on until I get my shot you know we don’t have time because our the voice is raising yeah imagine imagine this like sometimes three or four times louder number one rule my one rule and it’s under no circumstances is anyone allowed to touch me while on set in all seriousness no no bones no physical is that a running joke I just say that book history because it breaks them out and then I get a laugh I think I’ve already touched you I’m sorry means that I need some attention with my hand on the shoulder and goes what is my number one rule but you know it’s when we when we argue it’s it’s a very like film centric argument like you need to consider this character’s beat in this next scene we need to have this and you’re not getting this shot well but I’m getting this shot for this reason and so you’re not caring enough about the film so the the arguments are very like moment centric and we’ll figure it out and then it’s done it’s like they’re not personal arguments they’re like very quick heated like we gotta figure this out because we don’t have a lot of time and like should we figure it out we get it and we move on and that’s when we haven’t prepared we have prepared we’ve gone with the shots together there’s zero arguments on that right so but when you have those is it the people standing around like slowly backing away no like sometimes right and I will argue and I’ll notice like how going it’s over shoulder when I’m like just like shaking with anger and I realize that there’s people who are quaking it’s like yeah are just like I think when we’ve this is all yeah I mean experience yeah you get that vibe every once in a while but it’s yeah we’ve learned to notice it because in the end of the day like all these arguments are for the sake of the piece and if the argument is making the crew or the actors lose our focus then you’re starting to hurt the piece yeah and in the past we sometimes we get you know maybe a little too carried away or lose that focus but at this point we’re much more on top of that now yeah it’s okay to have an argument it’s okay to be passionate about what you’re doing that’s the thing actually we haven’t stopped arguing any more or less it’s the same as about you know a few years ago but the only difference now is that it’s much quieter and no one knows when it’s happening here is an idea and I’m like and then we go back out there like all right guys it’s not quite that dark but that’s you know I mean that’s the thing it’s like when you when you when you disagree you don’t want like what do you do it like I’m disagreeing it’s like everyone’s like wait who’s if there’s two directors here and they can’t agree then yeah who am I supposed to listen to like yeah oh no it’s like that’s the last thing you want to have happen it’s just spread that confusion out there so like we have to contain it between ourselves is there a division of labor maybe not on set but over the course of corridor digital like how do you guys divide and conquer well I think real quick before I move on before design conquer we should tell you about our wildcards tell us about the wild car we still don’t have them printed I’m gonna go print it I’m gonna print them right now we just have a hand signal or it’s like yugioh style so when you see this on set that means it’s a wild card so you boys like the Boy Scouts imagine imagine you’re holding an ace between your fingers right right okay so when we’re in an argument and we each have one wild card per shoot I think per day of sheer day of shooting when you’re in an argument if you settle an argument immediately you whip out your welcome I’m playing my wild card if the Rays are a genius back away and like oh it’s like it’s like out there is one more rule to the wild cards you can cancel a wild card with your wild card we’re taking this idea go for it cancel the other wild card then how do you decide then you’re still back in the argument and no one can ever make an executive decision after that point and how often does that happen we have never cancelled out well I think the way it works is is if you play your wild card Nikko and then Sam plays it back Sam wins he just that’s it because you made the decision to break it out first that you run the risk of either getting that your what your way or he can override it oh that seems to make perfect sense to my whipping out your wild card you might risk losing it and not getting your way but then right whoa no that’s that’s too that’s too deep that’s good it’s just deep enough but the wild card I mean it has a certain element of it’s interesting that you’ve never double wild card it though I will say that so it you’re pointing out a problem that’s not a problem for them yet well if me and you both have wild cards it’ll be a problem we’ll print our run of them and we’ll send you guys wild cards yeah yeah just you got to call it something else you’ll be surprised when Welker comes out people gasp no you can’t see it even though it’s an invisible card Oh runs offset yeah the funny thing is things get that heated for us like I was I’m like you know we’ll get so heated in something like the motion of pulling out a fake card is a total departure from the tone of the moment it’s like it’s a breaking character now I am a mine French mine but I think I think one of the reasons that the wild card wouldn’t always work for us is a lot of times it’s not just about two opposing opinions it’s it’s like the way that something was said it is personal it gets personal and then wild cards don’t help when it gets personal right and and Lync makes it personal more than I do how long that but so you so you need like you need like a you need to hold up like a loofah that needs to be well if it gets person I hold up scissors and cut your balls off or you can get the wild cards yeah I do like that wild card idea yeah I mean I’m good what I’m gonna do is I think we’re gonna make a run wild cards and we’re gonna send them to every duo YouTube channel out there so I I would just I’d like to caulk us on what you call them because it’s just wild card odd exists it’s gotta be something like the decision maker the wild cards like who knows what it could be yeah that’s rose what’s gonna happen next it’s gonna be his way but no without the wild card and I haven’t even said what I’m about to do with it yeah it’s like anything could happen and we have to do it okay I’m not who are we to change what’s working fabulously but I do want to eat supper lunch I don’t want to cut anything yeah it’s true actually do we give does the producer get a well yeah no yeah no he’s no I’m with red honest I think only the two directors get wild comes it gets too complicated because then how do you do the three thing doesn’t work now okay but speaking of just you know you guys being a duo I think a decision whether it’s an explicitly made decision or if it’s just implicit in your relationship in your career are you guys committed to be a creative duo indefinitely or is it just like ah you know what I think we’ve got our solo things that we want to do and I think it’s not like I’ve talked said Nico give me a lot to me if we made movies forever I mean it’s just we we take different roles in different projects sometimes I’m like hey I’m gonna make a video and I go direct it and Nico helps me shoot it and vice versa so it’s like there’s a little back-and-forth there’s some things we collaborate on and some things that some of us take the lead on but yeah yeah I think when it comes to you know a creative duo you’re working with the other person because a you like your style be you kind of just creatively work in the same wavelength and see usually they’re very talented so for me to not work with Sam it has to be a very specific type of project where either Sam’s off doing something else and I you know I just don’t have you know the time or the resources to bring him on board or it’d be such a creative departure that he wouldn’t be able to help me with it which would mean I’d you know we do action we do sci-fi we do comedy we’d like everything we do is something that Sam is good at and generally vice-versa for me so it has to be a huge departure and that’s fine like if you want to go off and explore something creatively like go for it but other than that if there’s somebody out there who I’d want to have them help me on the project it would be Sam you know so it’s just how I work mm-hmm so just it’s sort of a it’s just kind of intrinsic to the way you guys work yeah I mean it takes a long time to learn to work with somebody well creatively and really develop certain types of skills and with our filmmaking on YouTube we’re going for this very cinematic look but without the budget that cinema stuff usually has so that requires having a team of people who are very uniquely trained I guess into doing that and so Sam is very uniquely trained into doing that as am i so I can’t just go out and find somebody else who can do that you know that Sam’s closest I’ve you know the closest one to that I’ve found and we’ve worked together and we’ve grown the skills together so you know it’s a very much like on top of everything else it’s also a matter of practicality like for me to go out and shoot a project without Sam would require a much larger budget because I’m getting you know four people five people to fill the role that Sam fills in a set because he does the job with like four to five people and yeah like I said it also need to just be a departure from the stuff that we’d usually do because otherwise I would just naturally work with him yeah I mean I like to think of it as like a you know I’m gonna analogy for this like a you’re rolling a big ball on a flat surface that is slowly gathering momentum and gathering mass and it’s like you know again it gains its own momentum as you work longer and longer together but it also becomes harder to manage and they keep pushing and it’s like you get to this point where like I I couldn’t we couldn’t do this old neither of us do this alone yeah so you you’re so committed to this thing moving forward that there’s just not really in the conversation to not keep moving it it’s out together that’s pretty much it yeah it’s kind of like well I guess I was just gonna make some art films alone yeah that’s like the only other option right now well pushing me pushing the ball that’s okay I’ll reflect on that but you know as an analogy yeah but you guys are pretty good teachers don’t you know there’s a lots lots to think about here the wild card being chief among them but uh you know I I have to say as we close down here I learned something the first time I talked to you guys and that it’s you spoke English I don’t know what video it was I thought you guys are like French or something I graphic violence or something like that there’s no like there’s no talking and it was like I think these guys are like some guys from like Eastern Europe Freddie Moran and of like freaking Scandinavia it doesn’t help that like for a year YouTube would default turn on Chinese subtitles on all our videos just like any time I just go to computer like was just a computer I’d never touched before and like go to our channel like freakin Chinese about like you couldn’t change like what was by default we’d have fans like crowd-sourced subtitles for us and it’d be like for some reason is always pick some random one like why can’t just default to like nothing but a third person to say oh you know that’s really funny no but it makes you the first person I’ve heard say that heard something else say no I haven’t what I’m saying it makes total sense I think the first time I met you guys I just wild by the fact that you’re both very tall in fact both you guys endemic mealtime crew are very tall people yeah yeah yeah what’s up with that yeah they’re tall about to ambach they’re just like a crush you well listen guys uh why don’t you sign the table we appreciate the time this is very cool there was a near biscuit with corridor digital of course wild card yeah let’s talk about that well first I want to ask you guys to give them feedback what did you think about our conversation use hash tag ear biscuits and tweet at them that’s at corridor digital to talk to Sam and Nico let them know what you thought guys you can also let us know what you thought about this ear biscuit on iTunes by leaving a review and a rating we appreciate that it goes a long way you can also join in on the conversation on soundcloud so they said that they are going to literally print off these cards and when they do they said we’ll get a copy man I’m pretty pretty excited about it because I you know our technique thus far has been to just you know we don’t we don’t make a scene out of arguing with each other on set but sometimes it will get into a protracted conversation that has to like go into a corner and the voice is raised and the facial expressions get really intense it’s just a creative process people when you’ve got too strong opinions that both may be right but only one can be right and mine can be more right and that’s just what happens with this this wildcard concept I think they should just write a book about that really yeah they could print it on the card if it was a shorter nigga let’s make it a brochure just put instructions on the non foldable pamphlet what why sell a book when you can just sell the card it could be on one of those rotating things that post cards are on it like you know travel shops souvenir shops the wild card now that we should get money for that though we just came up with that if they do that we get 20% you guys listening you hear that I just want the card and I want to use it I think I would well in it you can use it once on a shooter once on a shootout every day I can’t remember I think you get it for the day you get it for the day every day every day I just I always enjoy talking to another use mine for lunch didn’t isn’t that what we said we’re just a no just Oh Wyn night window where to go to watch yeah I would end up blowing it on that everything I just like talking to another creative duo because it’s so interesting to see how you know the mechanics of it because it’s the it’s the key to what we’ve created obviously the fact that there’s two of us and that we bring things to the table and we bad ideas around and everybody’s personality is different is interesting the way that they they talked about it and they were they kind of you got the impression that these guys don’t argue a whole lot I don’t think these guys argue as much as we do and then all of a sudden they bring out the wild card and that was a wild card for me because I was like well maybe that’s what we need like we need a wild card but I think it should be a flag well I don’t think you should be called a wild because it’s pretty predictable I mean once you know what it does you think it should be a hand signal what if it’s just the bird well that’s kind of rude right all right guys thanks for hanging out with us and the bird I flip you the bird on set it means I get my way that’s not gonna work laying the car right now just asking you to move on so you know you can count on us we’ll be here next week coming into your ear holes [Music] [Music]