[Music] welcome to ear biscuits I’m Rhett and I’m link joining us today at the round table of dim lighting is improv comedian YouTube creator co-creator of one of the most popular YouTube series of all time epic Rap Battles of History that’s right lloyd ahlquist AKA epiclloyd we are very excited about this one because as you might have known we mainly pin in a cap on these epic Rap Battles of History or sound like you’re bragging this is my humble brag voice I hate to admit it but we’ve been in three epic rap battles you know the thing we love these guys both Pete and Lloyd you know we talked to Pete on last season of ear biscuits and now we get to talk to the other half to Lloyd we love these guys be cut for you know they’re great guys nice Peter really is nice and Lloyd is really epic he’s also very nice yeah he’s epically nice but what if what if he was called epic nice Lloyd like though he was trying to one-up not very weird and it wouldn’t be very nice with it but one of the reasons we love these guys is because I love to get involved in something that I know is going to be great yeah you know we spend all this time trying to get our videos the way we want them to be and then we’re still not satisfied 90% of the time but there’s so many times when you kind of get involved in somebody else’s project you’re kind of like well I kind of think you should doing like this but I’m not gonna speak up I’m not gonna say anything these guys knock it out of the park every single time like link said one of the most successful I probably the most successful series and in terms of a series of this type definitely the most successful musical series ever on the youtubes yeah and of course we were recently featured as Lewis and Clark in the latest in one of the latest rap battles did you hear that Meriwether I think I mean a brawl so here’s a clip of that [Music] so we had a great conversation with Lloyd he’s already a good friend of ours whenever we get to hangout guesting on a spot like that right so you’re gonna get to hear the lloyd half of the story of how this all came together with epic rap battles of history and just Lloyd’s background in general a lot of people don’t know that he didn’t just start with improv comedy but he’s continued with that and actually has a hand in an improv comedy theater here in Los Angeles yeah and I really enjoyed picking his brain about improv comedy he said he wants to write a book about it that’s how passionate he is about it it was like a formula yeah he has a formula so that amongst the whole backstory of epic rap battles and the organic yes I use the term wave it that kind of came about right it’s very fascinating so stick around for that you will enjoy it we want to let you guys know if you didn’t already we just released an album called song biscuits volume 1 released it on iTunes last week as you know if you watch the good mythical morning channel for the past few months on Saturday we have been doing a song 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lighting Boyd my very much my pleasure you’re late but that’s okay I know I’m very let’s start with that so sorry I’m in traffic there what’s your la excuse I feel like it’s so we’re so far apart you can’t I know I’m having this conversation I’m also talking to you as if like people are listening which they are but like it always changes it does a little bit my dad used to have this businessman voice on the phone you back this Burroughs Alex he would be like Bruce all quest and here at toggling baggage was he what was he he was an Elvis impersonator so I was late because we were Harper trying to do something else yeah he’s like a like a handyman Carbon dare plumber or whatever you want to do my dad does some of that stuff too I always say my wife has a very like super sweet phone voice and then she’ll like turn to me and it’s like a totally different that phone voice I mean that sweet phone voice I definitely change the tone of my voice when I’m like assuming a certain status you know like if you have to sound like you’re in charge or or if you’re like having to sound like you’re be you know charismatic or whatever but right now you sound like the friend Lloyd and that’s what we want okay well don’t bring out the enemy Lloyd because I yeah did you ever have one of those friends who started talking lower but you could tell he was trying to talk lower leg in puberty years yeah we’re like why it’s just happened in my high school we have a couple friends no no names will be named Bill who like we went to high school with them in a psalm like a couple years after high school and he was like talking like this really trying to talk low now I don’t know any babies in there I definitely like if I’m talking like like I don’t know I talk like more hood if I’m hanging around with like a bunch of mic my hood friends or whatever so right I go more southern yeah like even when I just said my dad I said dad yeah and it was almost that bad my diet because that’s how I saw he kind of talks my dad he doesn’t affect his voice when he’s talking on the phone like your dad but he can’t get off the phone that’s the thing my dad has is at the end of the phone conversation when you’re just supposed to say bye yeah my dad’s one more thing mm-hmm okay he doesn’t sing English either he speaks in alien language that is a Long Goodbye like like you’re me we’re like okay dad look okay dad love you thanks a lot for the call okay all right okay thanks what you well you cannot yep we’ve got to go no I on the phone oh yeah not good okay that I came back he let me listen to it one time there she put it on speaker I was like no cuz he had told me this I was like there’s no way that he did just what you just and he doesn’t start anything it’s just at the end of a conversation is yeah that’s got to be a southern thing I guess isolated to link that actually yes – so they’re dead I you know I told you this I want to get into the the mechanisms of writing the epic Rap Battles because I mean as as we tell you every time we’re like super thankful to be involved in these things with you impede and there is it’s it’s always amazing it’s amazing to be a guest on something that’s like Oh ten million views right out of the gate you know that’s that’s an amazing thing to just know that there’s like there’s a pressure that’s off actually I feel like because there’s so much of what we do that you’re just like okay well we’re working so hard on this is it gonna be worth it I mean do you get that sense at this point with the success of an epic rap battle that it’s like there’s a you’re able to release and say alright people love this it’s it there’s a baseline view that is it’s tremendous does that take a pressure off or does that add more I don’t know I mean I think it’s a little bit of both like I feel like it’s it’s a constant it makes the pressure constant I think which maybe relieves it an overall you know because it’s like we don’t do that many videos so we have to put a you know a lot a lot of time into each one so we just try to give all of them everything we have definitely some do better than others for sure I mean there’s like 10 million viewed disparage disparity disparity thank you thank you I just turned into your dad they’re different so it definitely it definitely there’s disparity in some of them but I don’t think about is this one gonna be good or is that one gonna be good I think more about the characters or if we have guests like you guys and thank you for those nice things you said it’s always I mean working with you guys has been so cool when we first started the battles we were like oh let’s put together like an ensemble cast and we’ll just keep using the same people over and over again and we like thought about casting and doing an audition stuff but it’s kind of become this very organic kind of ensemble cast that we work with so it’s really nice so I just try to focus on if there are special guests like you guys I try to focus on making you guys the best song that we possibly can and that takes the pressure off of like the world stuff because you it’s like just localizes it a little bit mm-hmm and then but there’s also us I mean there’s your own self-imposed standard I really get a sense that you guys are you have this internal standard and I think it’s I don’t know if this guy impression is more about that like I knew you guys worked so hard on crafting each of these things yeah we definitely push each other and we definitely know we only make 12 battles a year so like we can do we have to do it really really well so just start to walk us through the process like when we were there recording the vocals like we were hanging out before we went in to do the Lewis and Clark vocals and right now we’re just kind of I in the whiteboard and trying to decipher the process because it was okay obviously there’s like this collaborative place where somebody’s writing on a whiteboard and there’s like different lines yeah that are up there like that are there are comedic concepts how does it how does a song we do at our first we do a ton of first we decide on the matchup obviously is not always a suggestion always a suggestion but it’s kind of easy now because there’s so many suggestions that if usually there’s something in our brain we just can go search you search for it yeah yeah yeah and I mean that’s it’s a very nice thing but it’s always from the audience but there’s certainly a lot to choose from so we first decide on that then we decide usually on a beat the beat will will influence the style of writing we try to find a beat that that feels right for the well let’s talk Lewis and Clark then yeah picking that beat well first of all you picked Lewis and Clark versus Bill and Ted let’s just walk through this one since we’re so fond of it yeah like you how did you pick it the beat No let’s loosen concept oh um we picked it because are you in a room you and Pete are you on the phone or there other there’s other people at this point welcome we’ll go to the studio with that’s where we usually work you know we hang out there and you know as we approach when we map out like the production time or months or whatever we have a couple of weeks in there that we decide on matchups decide on beats and stuff like that and so during that time we’re just kind of brainstorming there’s usually you usually do about six at a time and there’s usually about three that we’ve been talking about and didn’t get to do the the previous season or whatever that life kind of fit in or one of us will have our favourites that we’ll just try to get back into the right into that you know so and when you’re making that decision how much of it is based on how people are gonna love this or we’re gonna love this and the reason I ask that is because when you think about Lewis and Clark and Bill and Ted I mean first of all in general history you’re already dealing with things that maybe a lot of kids out there not gonna know about to begin with right yeah yeah but then when you’re dealing with like a reference like Bill and Ted you’re also kind of talking to people America who are Americans who were thirty thirty years old and up right yeah technically yeah well I assume you started with Bill and Ted you didn’t you were like chomping at the bit to do a Lewis and Clark rap out oh we knew you guys were gonna we knew you guys were gonna play loose we knew Bill and Ted versus Lewis and Clark probably since like season the beginning of season three oh really it was always gonna be you guys that’s that’s a fact really yeah so the fact that you guys are playing Lewis and Clark or like oh yeah that’s gonna be great so that made that really exciting what you chose but you chose a rap battle about Bill and Ted and then paired them with conceptually with Lewis and Clark as like the first step what do you mean like you chose to pit them against each other the characters yeah yeah yeah for sure we chose a matchup first but that matchup has been around for a long time is right saying so the matchup has been around and so like me and Pete knew we could probably do Bill and Ted and you guys as Lewis and Clark was super easy so yeah I mean yeah it’s it’s like a specific we try to do 5050 we try to like to stay true to ourselves and see what’s gonna be funny for us and not try to get to pander II you know interpretive like Oh like we don’t do like the latest flash in the pan you know usually the rule is if they’re gonna be still remembered in 50 years from now even if it’s just by a specific pocket of people okay like then we’ll do it Lewis and Clark are obviously yeah they’re gonna be there and Bill and Ted there’s I mean Keanu Reeves is still very you know popular and that other guy you know yeah did you see John wick as part of your reconnaissance who knew Keano moves okay there’s my answer no I saw it I heard it was good it wasn’t good I read it was not as good as it was it was made out to be mmm sorry it was better than people expected it to be before they wrote that it was better than you expected right better than Jupiter rising with Channing Tatum so Channing Tatum so you finally get around to to makin this one and like you know weird we’re basically just sitting on the doorstep just waiting to come in and like record another and I think I told you this but one of the first books that I remember reading as a kid and crying in my bedroom alone when I was done reading it was a book about Lewis and Clark when they finally made it when they finally made it when you cried I cried I have never cried because I’ve never cried reading a book I mean grade school kid in my like I don’t know it was just it was a long book it was a part of my life for a long time because I’m a I’m a slow reader yeah and they finally made it you’re finally done with the book and I under 18 months no one told me they had made it Lloyd I mean spoiler this is base you were in the suspense the whole time why would they have a book about these guys that they couldn’t make it really good try and they died well he I mean they did suicide was not part of the book my grade school loved a version he learned up from Ken Burns I learned that from the epic rap battle lyrics nice no I I learned that from Kim burn I didn’t know I didn’t know that until we started doing a research I didn’t know he’d killed himself until we started reading about it and stuff so so then you sit down and you start writing this thing yeah I start Pete and I obviously have a very different not obviously we have very different styles of writing and almost everything that we do okay so Pete well the first thing we’ll do is just start brainstorming you know if in a perfect world now that we’re into the production like we’re sort of our heads all over the place and we’re like piecing things together but like when we come into it relaxed and good we’ll have me and Pete and sometimes Zak and Mike another writer of ours and we’ll just toss around ideas what are the things that you would want to know about Bill and Ted what are the what are the top 10 things you think of right away what are the middle 10 things we have this kind of SAT a CT way of writing things which is like three tiers of jokes and in a CT or SATs you have like three tiers of questions one that everybody will get mid-level B is like you know a couple people will get and then I mean like a more average people get and then C is like a really niche only superfans will get so well not let me ask you are you describing it that way to us or is that how you talk amongst yourselves when writing to like we’ve got our three tiers and are there three tiers on a white board or is this just we don’t we don’t get that structured with it that’s just what we have in our brain and we talk about it that way when we talk about the writing you want to be able to categorize a joke to know that you’ve if you’ve got a whole song full of third tier jokes or you want to even dispersion jokes yeah you want you want to be able to if someone’s never seen Bill and Ted you want them to be able to understand from watching it and seeing it that it’s funny but then you also have to have those jokes that the Bill and Ted super uber fans will love yeah and in the middle Oh jokes that like I’m kind of familiar with that Rufus guy yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so well what was that you know you’re gonna get this Sacagawea like joke in there it’s the question how one of the best one of the best not Sacagawea yes if it’s one of the best so your so you’re starting with comedic concepts categorized on a whiteboard there’s no there’s no rhyming pairs I mean I saw it for for another one yeah not yet no couplets yet usually you know we’ll just kind of be like okay these are fun this is good this is good this is good yeah you should know that and then out of that usually some sort of rhyme will come out like if you say Sacagawea summer be like what rhymes that’s a fun word what rhymes with that usually we’ll do that for a while and break away and start writing on our own like writing jokes together crafting jokes do you divide up who’s writing what are your like you’re both working on the same thing I’m independently it’s gotten really really varied like you guys’s verse like in the in past songs like in the Ninja Turtles like Pete wrote the first part of the artists and then I wrote like the middle part then he wrote the back and then I wrote the front end of Ninja Turtles and here at the front end and and then the other guys are like punching in jokes and punching up jokes and like anybody in the room could be saying something Dante will say something or you know how many people are in that process at that point when you’re in the room four or five yeah usually four or five and then and then usually it’s it comes down to me and Pete one night late like just punch it okay I’m really gonna dig into the when you go into the room by yourself because I mean it’s fascinating for us because we also do this you know and first of all we’re not gonna both go into a room and write the same verse because then that’s double work yeah we’re gonna divide this thing up yeah yeah yeah so yeah you look crazy I don’t want to create any more work if he’s gonna write something I’m for sure not gonna also write it right and and risk it not being used well we don’t we don’t do that way like we’ll divide it up especially if I’m playing a character in peace playing a character will spend a lot of time writing each our own character right he does a lot more of the mixing and a lot more of the like costuming and stuff than I do so I at times I’ll need to carry a little bit more weight on the writing and then just the writing side okay and then it always changes once you go into the studio to record it anyway so I have when I used to write back in the day we used to butt heads a lot more with everybody I used to like write these jokes and really fall in love with them and really have them be precious and be like it would be like a big argument when we were trying to change them and now I write things and I and I think it’s I think about 85% of it will will stay once again at first like as it gets down farther and farther at sit closer but like we’ve changed the entire back ends of the song in the studio on the mic in the headphones just because it wasn’t just wasn’t feeling right for some reason just wasn’t going but when you okay but when you’re like in there writing your piece like you you wrote the beginning of Lewis and Clark Lewis and Clark yeah keep going used to be we blazed a trail and it used to be blazer trails but then we use blaze a trail later on in the song blaze twice can’t blaze twice so they cut a path through him Steve liked the works better now so that’s what I want to know cuz you’re you’re sitting it you’ve got jokes that’s how we start to we we have jokes we used to fall in love with like that sounds good and then no one cared if it wasn’t funny but the thing that you got I’m always in all you guys is how amazing the flows are I mean there’s a level of artistry it’s so difficult to bake comedy into something that sounds so legitimate I mean it’s not comedy music it’s I mean you’re making usually you usually have to make a compromise yeah yeah and one one direction or the other and so how does that how does that work I mean there’s this really I mean you I know because I’ve had to learn it I’ve actually tried to do it a lot right and that’s create something that has an amazing flow that I would actually sound like an actual rapper well I want to see that comment yeah because those were my heroes as a kid right so I would I just want one comment and thousands to say well I was that actually a good flow thanks but you I mean you you you obviously give a lot you devote a lot of effort to that because it it shows but how do you do that I mean you’re sitting there saying well I I mean I always whenever I started rapping as an escape from comedy so I never considered my I never wanted to do comedy rap and I consider the Rap Battles comedy but no more comedy than any other rap battle is it’s just more understandable and digestible because everybody understands the context so I I don’t really consider myself a comedy rapper if you look at any of the original music that I do it’s all hip-hop and it’s none of it’s really funny so I do write it just like a regular rap song and then you know in in in coming up with the flows I think that’s the that’s the kind of the art of being an emcee and being you know it’s it’s like skiing or slaloming or something or surfing or figuring out how you want to like the beat is that double dutch you know and you just got to figure out what your whoo up is once you get inside of there and then so I just that’s why the beat is so important and and it’s it’s hot it’s tough to write the track without the beat first because bump it up and up and up and up and up but uh but I put up put up put up on a papa rod that can start to sound really really really like repetitive after a while so and back in the day when we used to write you can hear it too we were you know we’ve grown as you get but you can hear the jokes split it up you can hear it’s like setup punchline then setup punchline okay and now as we’ve evolved you get longer verses that kind of flow and they’re all blended together a little bit better right when you can get when you can get that I mean boy we back in the day we would have maybe three setup lines for one punch line you know like in you and you just hear it it’s just like throw away so I just just just to get there but it but it’s interesting that I hear you saying that it’s not even you’re not even doing setup punch line anymore really I mean there’s some of those in there but that’s not really the appropriate everything’s a joke I mean everything’s ooh it’s well as social everything is purposeful yeah mmm everything’s its punchline punchline that’s how we do it what an interesting thing is is it you may have forgotten this but I remember the first time Pete sent us the super-marv brothers and right brothers you know you know we were the Wright brothers and he sent us the lyrics and he he sent us a lyric tunas let you know let me he kind of had a little bit of a you know let me know if you have any thoughts or kind of thing and so we were just kind of assuming that this is probably like a lot of the collaborative videos that we had done in the past we kind of wanted to like do our due diligence to kind of make it our own and that kind of thing so we I didn’t know what he meant by give us any notes and so we like kind of came back with we think we should probably say this here this year had like having no insight really into like the machine that had and it was a little bit less of a develop machine at that time sure but I can’t remember his response word for word but it was a it was basically no we’re not gonna do that and now hearing this conversation of course and we would never in a million years would we have done that on the second or the third because it’s so it’s gone through this process and it’s gotten to be exactly what you guys want to do but it was more we were kind of approaching it from that oh yeah some youtubers collaborating together we we should probably give our thoughts on this just because we’re being a part of it but now there’s like this going into that process when we get that you know your guys demo track yeah I’m like how can I make it is much like what they have presented it’s gonna be me being yeah it’s like don’t say you know it’s like a director that yeah really good director who you can trust the script you know you’re not supposed to change the script because that’s how they work I mean that is how you guys put so much into it yeah it’s there’s there’s no need to it’s not we’re not gonna riff on this thing we’re gonna improv my way into something better that’s for sure yeah I mean we thank you for all those nice things it’s really cool of you guys I say I think that’s always been our goal is to I mean to we understand how busy most people that we work with are so like and I’ve been on the opposite side of that when someone sends you something you’re like yeah I can’t really work with this and now I feel really awkward that I have to kind of go in there and do this so our goal was always to like try to blow people away with the demo but when you’re writing for Snoop Dogg yeah I mean it point you cut I mean we learned a lesson fer we learned a big lesson from really and it was uh like the I don’t know what it was empowering I guess cuz we wrote the lyrics but we never sent him a demo and he was playing Moses again so Santa I love that bear scratch up my head a little bit on now but we didn’t send him a demo we just sent him the lyrics cuz we were like that’s Snoop Dogg he’s one he’ll figure he wants to do he’ll fit and he was used to him instrumental we said on the instrument on the lyrics and we sent him the Santa part and we’re just two holes in his part there are no vocals for his part right and and he was joking around like this my these do is they’re messing with me they didn’t even send me a demo they just make me freestyle on this thing so we were like we took out of that oh and it was like a sort of a light bulb more like of course like so like as least work as a guy that’s not busy has it has got to be send him that and then if he wants to change it of course he’ll change it but like so he came in and that was the the flow that he had come up with her he asked for the demo later he didn’t we never got to track with him he just went to his own private basement studio with his guy and the send us didn’t worked a song so it was still awesome yeah but like I think he was just he just thought that was funny that we didn’t send it to him we were like oh man we didn’t want to step on your toes but you know but you never did you heard this after he had come up with the flow and everything yeah so you put snoop to work well we do make a demo we made a demo so you put snoop to work and and was this better oh man I mean don’t just don’t answer this yeah I didn’t know it was so smooth you have to say yes we got you on tape we got it on tape that when we first they sent it over and it was like we downloaded this file we’re like we’re gonna hear snoop saying our stuff yeah and we have the whole video we’re gonna put it in the BTS but we don’t know we didn’t get in there for some reason but it was just like that’s been cool so for Lewis and Clark you get to this point where you know that all right they’ve discovered a whole bunch of stuff uh-huh and so what are you gonna do with that yeah we thought like in that you know that like sort of roundtable discussion on second thought cool too like for them to like the list off a bunch of stuff and then I went online and I did like I did like a search for I know Lewis and Clark animals and there was like this one page that listed off all the animals that they discovered and it was really it was like a long you’re like I bet somebody’s rise illegal yeah that number arrived with weasel an eagle I think yeah cuz it does man yes so that’s Zach the guy who played Einstein he’s he’s like the most award Smith of us all like he’s the best in terms of like like syllables and and the the crafting of a word that comes together so for that section I sent him that link and the idea and and then he sent back like three different versions of a list and then I took what he took what he wrote and I like kind of worked it into the beat in like so it changed probably like 30 percent more and so that’s how that process really nice it’s like a handing off of you know the ball to each other quite a bit so it’s really it’s it’s a nice collaborative process we want to get back to but we want to go back to the Lloyd the pre epic Rap Battles of History Lloyd and figure out how you became this guy okay and that takes us back to New Hampshire yeah yeah born there no I would be born in Staten Island New York okay mm-hmm so I was born in New York and I moved to New Hampshire and I was like three or two and I spent like all of high school and you know up through high school graduate high school from New Hampshire and then I found two brothers my older brother Kirk on my own go brother Travis so the middle brother what’s the dynamic there um I got lost in the mix know it lost in the mix in the mix I got to be a little bit of both because my younger brother is eight years younger than me oh so how was the younger brother for like the first eight year so that was cool I have a great relationship with both of those guys they’re great I’m gonna be an uncle soon my little brothers having a baby baby girl so I’m gonna go down he lives in um how Florida how old is the older brother than you I mean Kirk is a year and a half older than me so was he the one who was like bringing the rap tapes in a house no no really not at all that’s not my brother jerk how did I get into rap I got into rap I’m not I’m not my memories not real good and I don’t I’m not like I’m not there’s like different types of people you know and I’m not like a cataloger like I can’t I can’t remember any words to any lyrics oh really any song the only I really I wrote a line about that the only words to rhymes I remember our mind and I forget those a lot too so I wasn’t like I was into like all kinds of music and then I really started getting into rap probably like in college oh okay when I started doing improv we we did it we did one like little improv game that was a freestyle rap game we’ll what if we freestyle rap that would be super amazing so we started doing that but it was cut but it was comedy first it was but then it became very quickly about like freestyling and ciphers at parties what I mean and like and then then because we would do these freestyle sessions like other guys who were rhymers would start to hang out so I would start hanging out with those type of guy that’s more and then so were you a so were you a performer from a younger age was that like something in your blood that was a thing I play Bilbo bag is in the sixth grade play oh really yeah carry feet and everything yeah well I did get that middle her brother like I he was in high school plays and I said then I started doing play suppose I was a gymnast all throughout college in high school so I was much more of like a jock than then that ring SID yeah rings yeah like yeah I can tell you on some rain horse mm-hmm yeah really yeah dang could you what could you do do on rings right now we had a set almost nothing I think I could probably do a handstand that’s not like it’s not like shooting a basketball it’s not like you can’t be like 55 years old I can still shoot mmm I need like the Rings it’s tough yeah so you did that from a young age if you’re like doing the the gymnast thing it’s it’s like kid indoctrination yes like it owns your life if you’re like it you’re trying to be an Olympian right yeah well though it’s definitely much more like a I think you practice a lot I practice a lot more than like most sports is just like after school you play for a couple hours and you go home this was like we would have to a days and summer and we you know it was like from 3 to like 9 everyday you know and Saturdays – and then like you know when she got into college we didn’t really get Christmas and you know it was it was intense it was Division 1 so it was where’d you go to school UMass Amherst oh really and do you as a gymnast do you do everything or is it like you know he’s he’s the rings guy I was an all around her up until I got in and once you get to college they start to specialize you but there is a specialized one called all around so guys who especially do that I started I hurt my that’s how I ended up getting into comedy as I blew my knees out so I was able I had extra time to take like the acting classes that I always wanted to take was it just like a matter of deteriorating over time was there like an injury where yeah having probably gnarly accent tell us about it in detail well your knees are like a degenerative thing so they’re attached your knee is definitely the Achilles heel of the human body so there it’s attached the Achilles heal me but once you hurt your knee it’s easier to hurt it again you know so I started I was a wrestler there was at one point in high school when I would wake up at 5:00 in the morning go do diving then do school then wrestle after school and then go from wrestling practice to gymnastics practice so in the state tournament of wrestling this guy shooting shot in on my knee and like hit it sideways so I don’t like it called it was called a subluxation so I like slid out with a sock of them back in then I pinned his ass and couldn’t move on because my niece will up so you were it made you mad like it hurt that bad that you were like he is not gonna beat me he’s not I was not a changed my life trajectory but he’s not gonna win this match that’s really weird but then that that that’s then I started that hurt my knee in gymnastics once and then in college I was doing this trick where you saw on floor you you know what a roundoff is it’s like forward momentum in the back it’s like a cartwheel your legs come together so you do a roundoff and then it’s called a whip backhand which is like a really fast flip and then you do another flip out of that but I rolled my ankle in the whip back so I rolled my right angle in the whip back and then I flung over and I remember in the mid air I was like oh that hurt my ankle thank God that wasn’t my knee I literally thought that and then when I landed I just landed side my whole knee so I have two screws in my left knee so I rehabbed that for a year and I was on crutches for like seven months and then I got back and I got back competing again and I blew my right and yeah tore my ACL my right knee on parallel bars so then after that that was it hello how would you tear a knee on a parallel bar dismounting I was doing a like a layout with like a double twisting layout off and so I landed I was still spinning and I’m like you know you kind of turn into the ground it was it was just very like demoralizing yeah after everything you’d been through with the recovery and then it’s the other knee and then it’s not even the same knee yeah it was tough but that’s what opened up everything for comedy but how low did it get at that moment I mean is it like what were you planning on doing it was this was it it was it a it was it was it was almost a blessing because I wasn’t gonna be in the Olympics you know what I mean like I wasn’t the coaching wasn’t good enough I hadn’t been doing it long enough I didn’t have enough you know there’s this you know at that point whether you’re gonna be in the Olympics right so it was almost a blessing like because it was taking up so much of my time and I didn’t really love it you know what I mean it’s like you almost do it out of obligation you do it out of like a lifestyle cause it’s kind of what you’ve always done but it’s your world I mean yeah but I didn’t love it and then I started doing this improv stuff and I could hide but what was that choice if it was that a switching track so were you just doing that on the side so it was like well I was doing it on the side but when I got hurt I had more time you know what I mean because you rehab but like your practice is like six hours a day but if you’re hurt you know you rehab for an hour too but I could do plays I could do this improv stuff at night you know it’s they was like a show at 7:00 or something I could do it so I just was able to do I was doing these improv shows on crutches you know really that’s how I met my what you like yeah were you like incorporating the crutch into all your like characters yeah a little bit I would were you already kind of funny like a guy that was just like Oh along to my friends I’m a funny guy like maybe I should do improv or I want to be funny so I’m gonna do improv um that is a funny thing to say I never thought about doing comedy ever you know high school I was I was like a talkative and charismatic guy probably a little bit funny but I never thought I always thought it would be like serious acting and stuff and then I did this improv exercise in a college class and it went really well and then we went to a improv show that night as a class and this kid was happened to sitting next to me being like oh you should join this group they just had an audition on campus so I went and did that and that’s how I got into doing comedy and what yeah yeah what do you have that makes you good at improv personally I have there are two types of improvisers there’s like two categories there’s heart players and head players and head players use their mind to protect their heart so and they make funny witty sharp jokes their intellectual players I’m very very pure heart and character player so much I don’t I’m not like I said I don’t remember lyrics I can’t really I can’t make a lot our deep references or anything but I can react and Anna mote and play pretty honestly and I’m pretty physical and I think that helps but yeah and definitely Rap Battles has helped me be a lot better at characters which usually plays pretty good to it I don’t I don’t mean to make this about us but I’m just trying to process having never taken an improv class but talking to talk to a number of people who come from that world I’m very fascinated with it because it I mean we do a lot of improv and we just kind of feel our way through it yeah and even in deciding how we want to take a particular episode we’re having a conversation this morning about who should lead and who should react depending on things obviously okay who’s ahead and who’s the heart that’s pretty it I mean it’s there’s a blurred of the line obviously yeah if you have to categorize us it’s pretty obviously rets more of a head guy and I’m more of a heart guy yeah the thing about I don’t but I’m also the guy who like remembers all the lyrics I don’t think that I think that’s a totally different thing that’s a totally different part of my brain but like if you tell me to remember a line or like you got to deliver this in this way or I’m gonna I’m gonna I’m a singing with this one yeah it’s like I’m gonna I’m gonna flop rap he learned in second grade yeah right off the top yeah but if it’s a which I can’t do it all just come in and I give I’ll just I’ll give you an honest reaction and like maybe it’ll be funny you know it’s kind of a like even when I said that voice was that fun yeah you’re deaf well it’s like this it’s like this thing I know I almost wrote a book about improv one time this is like head and heart and character itself so are you making this stuff up is this your are these your principles that would be in your book yeah that would really yeah the head in the heart this is your thing yeah okay yeah I think so that’s what I would well I wrote a curriculum at the Iona’s comedy theater and there’s a training center and I wrote a curriculum for the there’s like six levels of classes there and it’s changed a little bit since then but I wrote the first curriculum and you know you have six levels improv and you go through it’s you know but head and heart and character and self so the other thing I don’t know how much in Perm you’ve seen but like some people play some people play themselves on stage most of the time like they’re like a version of like a Kevin Costner or Harrison Ford you know like the improvisers are the same way like they’re not gonna they don’t change the way they improvise too much and then there’s guys like like I think I’m more this way you probably this way too it’s like much more character based like big shapeshifter yeah like a Johnny Depp or like a Tom Hardy or somebody like that’d like Polly really goes the other way but you can have a guy who’s like a character player which is big and out there but he can also play from his mind you know and I mean which is what I think probably you would do if you’re like for a fairly cerebral guy but does characters that’s what you would do yeah I don’t think I’m a mind guy at all I think I’m a heart guy first full heart whatever I’m all heart whatever is gonna whatever is gonna come out more calculated it is the more it probably ain’t gonna work yeah for me that’s cool that’s what you mean yeah maybe that’s maybe that’s true have to get you guys in an improv class and find out well yeah we’ve we’ve talked we definitely talked about it because it’s something almost everything we do is just pure instinct and not and it’s just the if there’s any sort of curriculum it’s just something that we discussed amongst our ourselves we discover you guys have been friends for so long yeah that’s that that helps right so valuable so so I want it cuz you know I don’t think a lot of people love you mean I know that that you that you own this comedy theater so this is a big part of who you are in your life so it really highlights that that pivotal moment where you switched over to kind of go back that yes so you so you’re you’re trying improv for the first time and then where does that go I met oh say so I was in college I auditioned for this improv thing on crutches I met a guy named Aaron Krebbs who I still work with today on the theater with today and got into this improv group started improv this is where it you mass okay you man and you mastered the first year there I was like hanging out with all the jocks and all like the jock guys cuz that’s where I was I was and I didn’t really never felt like I fit in I just didn’t get I didn’t I didn’t have like they would like like bust each other’s balls all the time and really you know how I don’t know there’s certain people like they could be friends with you but they’re like they’re macho kind of didn’t get I didn’t like that so I ended up meeting these improv dudes and we got along really well I finally had this clique of friends and we started like doing these shows and doing a show every week and the audiences groom groom grew then we started touring a little bit and there was six of us guys who really clicked six of us and so after I got hurt in college that was my junior year at the end of the year three of those six guys were gonna graduate and then the group was kind of gonna fall apart so I was like after this so I me and Aaron got drunk on a 12-pack of Corona and he was gonna go to New York City and like take a job like a bank or something for like 40 grand a year which at that time was a lot but I was like man we got to get out of here we got to get out of here what are we doing let’s go do this so we’re like alright so I dropped out of college convinced two other guys to drop out of college and then the other three guys who graduated we all got in a van that summer we packed all of our stuff into a van and we drove together to Chicago in a van rented a big house you talked all the five other guys three of which we’re graduating they needed direction the other two needed to be redirected yeah and so you were like let’s go did you get any phone calls from angry parents know that everybody was super supportive everybody was like I think they knew they could tell there was something special about that thing what was your name cuz you got a name my name agent snake eyes well I’ve met the whole group yeah its mission is still is mission improbable yeah probable mi is Westside comedy theater mission and probable suicide comedy theater they just think agent Snickers you better believe it GI Joe reference I didn’t know you all had to have individual names yeah again and that’s more of a rapper thing yeah you know and yeah and I was that’s it that was me like when I was in the beginning like now guys have names like agent knuckle sandwich or pool like agent like ham and cheese or whatever but I was like no man the show’s funny enough we should have cool names like agent snake Eyez Falcon or hurricane or a destro until you moved into one house once a star tan that’s who agent Zartan yeah Alvie your Dreadnoks sir oh yeah and when you when you good to Chicago did anybody know anything about Chicago no you just knew this was like the improv capital of yeah we had we had a festival at our College and we brought a group from Chicago there to perform and do it workshops and we met a woman named Liz Allen and she became like our guru and so he moved there became a like started studying we did like group meetings we had like a Monday business meeting and then a Wednesday rehearse on a Friday rehearsal and we’d all take classes at i/o or Second City we just lived and breathed and dinner and how are you paying for this at that point work and waiting tables one guy was like a assistant to an EMT one guy did a temp job and what what were you doing I was waiting tables that yeah restaurant bartending yeah and yeah and then one by one we moved to Chicago and then some of the guys peeled off you know they’re not all with us anymore but me and air and the guys who started the plates the thing which I saw him last night just shows like you guys I’ve known that guy longer than I haven’t no no and then that’s how I met Pete so after we were in shock you met Pete in Chicago met him in Chicago freestyle rapping on a porch in the house yeah Pete was like he was just itinerant right he could have been anywhere from what I remember of his story yeah he was represented biscuit if you want today he was trying to figure things out for himself at the same time he was he was in Chicago studying comedy like a lot of guys and I didn’t even really know him at first as a musician I didn’t know he was a music guy at all but he was on a porch what this house that we had it was like this 3 16 15 west Byron it was like we would throw these giant improv that’s what we did when we got to the community we’re like well it’s drag so we throw like these kegger six seven kegs and like and like we came from that we kind of brought that vibe and a lot of the guys in Chicago at that time were kind of nerdy kind of impish improvisers and we just brought this party element he just got everybody involved and it was really fun and so we there was like this back out what everybody would smoke and stuff and we were out on the port’s just in doing that freestyle thing that we had been doing since college and you know it was me and my buddy Reece and Jeff would my other buddy Hobie and then there was this other kid who could actually rap and usually if there was not a lot of guys who could rap as good as us cuz we were we had been doing it for a couple of years yeah and Pete was there like in his own little thing and I was like so that’s how we met yeah and then but you didn’t immediately begin working together at that point no a mission of probables started touring we would tour colleges and then after we toured like I toured for about four years and then it gets really hard but there’s improv is great cuz you can do the same format because it’s a different show every time so we started hiring out like second crews and so Pete became one of the guys we hired as a second crew so he you know he as one guy got married and had a kid or whatever couldn’t tour anymore like we would bring other guys on so Pete and I toured together doing the mission of probable show for a couple years and that you know I learned he played guitar we started making some music together and then when I came out here he came out about a year later and we just stayed in touch and the rap battles would started as a live show at the Westside comedy theater okay so you came out here first and so how did the whole Chicago thing wrap up and then what made you come to LA Aaron the guy that I started with was always very set he’s from Texas so I guess it’s closer or whatever he knew what it was like but he was like I’m gonna go to Chicago LA so he moved out first it was like this gray area cuz we would be touring I’d only be home like three months out of the year so it’s like you never really had a place where you were staying anyway but like he moved out there first and then our other buddy Jason moved out there and then just one by one we started to like I’m a tricky because we knew like improv is great but it doesn’t have that it’s you got to do something with it you know you got to write something or do a show there was no internet at that time there was no it was either get on TV or SNL or you don’t so we were like all right we better go to LA and you know that’s where what we want to do is biggest so you never thought about doing a theater that wasn’t the idea was like write a TV show okay right you you wanted to take the traditional path which is like improv and then move into traditional entertainment yep and then where did Josie come into this when Josie had a show in South Dakota yeah so their help the co South Dakota she’s in Wyoming but she went to school in South Dakota so yeah she was uh I would with my comedy stylings and so that was during one of the trips one of the tour – one of the tours yeah there’s a picture of me because they’re like the contacts at the schools will like hire the groups or whatever and they’ll be like Student Activities boards of like students who work on these cruise or whatever so there’s a Josie was like the lead on that show this is a picture of me meeting Josie the first night me Josie Pete and all the guys and we’re like hanging out it’s like the first night I ever met my wife that’s cool yeah it’s kind of nice yeah and okay so eventually anyone was that when’d you meet her how long except that was jeez nine 2003 okay and then you guys got married when not 2009 so we’ve been married just over four years no that’s that’s six years old no yeah no thank you keeps going to time we were married for five years so whenever that is I think oh god sorry babe we’ll edit that out we won’t maybe we will so Pete moves to to LA uh-huh and you guys give her together and say let’s let’s start this did it start his epic Rap Battles of History was that that was no his first ideally accident it was a complete accident because I never even like I didn’t watch online videos before the rap battles like my second video was Vader Hitler so I wasn’t like like into it you know I didn’t grow anything the rap battle started inside of a live show called check one two so it was me and Zach who I met on the road and he was a another guy that we would rap with all time and when he moved to LA I was like we should do a like a comedy freestyle rap show so he made this show called check one two and it was like an hour show and have like five minute long segments and you know it was like hold up your stuff and we would rap about some of these keys rap about whatever like what’s your name rap about rat or rap about link and then one of the one of the segments was a celebrity rap battle okay and we we would get to suggestions from the audience and would be okay Barbra Streisand versus Lionel Richie and then we would go off and put these fake necklaces on me like everybody knows is a long-standing beef between Barbra Streisand and Lionel Richie people are getting shot no one can get out their house we’re gonna bring it now to the stage we’re gonna squash the beef in this rap battle so then we would freestyle rap battle and Pete came and saw that show it is just I mean ought to completely improv and how often does it not work about 50% of the really failed about fifty point eight come up with some cool stuff when it fails how would you deal with that well you make when you’re watching a show the audience understands that it’s really hard so yeah yeah as long as you have charisma you can keep going you’re fine it’s just about not being them you can’t lose confidence and just go into yourself how important is it for it to rhyme it which is more important than like oh I said some funny or that actually right it has to rhyme right one guy one guy can get away with it if like if it’s like so me versus as a joke as a joke but one guy has to be able to put it together so you can do without a beat like if you watch Rap Battles online a lot of the rap battles they don’t have beats so you can kind of like it’s it’s stretch it out stretch it out it’s not you don’t have to be as articulate so we would do both but I told that you know I kept talking about this rap show with pikas he and I used to freestyle a lot and I told him about about this segment and he had just started with maker cuz I got a I got an email at the theater from a gentleman named Benny fine and I still have it saved and he was looking for writers or comedy people for this upstart company that they were doing where they would take youtubers and put him and help him collaborate together that was the station at the beginning and I saw maker eventually became maker nos Disney so I sent Pete over there and they hired him as like little songwriters so you got pee-pee toes is almost his whole life as five brothers you just blindly as the as the as a theater opener yeah yeah and then you send Pete over there yeah yeah and then Pete started doing YouTube and getting really into that and then when he saw the the show he was like I love this segment do I think we should do a video of it I think we should call epic Rap Battles of History and we’ll ask like the audience you know whatever and I was like all right whatever but yeah sure come over after work or whatever because he had made other videos he was making his like picture songs and yeah and he was getting going who’s doing the music with comedy thing yeah yeah yeah and at that time if if you got a thumbs-up from shaycarl or Kassem G that could change your whole world you know and they were doing that at the station and a maker so he was like I think we should do this rap battle thing and then so we wrote the song we picked a beat we wrote the song pretty quick and then I went in then who was it which one wasn’t John Lennon versus Bill O’Reilly and then I met Dave Dave Meharry was the third and very very emotion very not most important very important part of this Dave came up with because I had done videos before I was like whatever usually was like a whatever but I walked in did the thing it was cool when we did this rap thing and then I left and then like maybe a week later they sent me this cut and I was like whoa that is far better than I thought it was going to be huh it was just now was just this was just the track this is nobody videos like a rough cut of the video okay okay so it had all this stuff going on and it was like all this it was just engaging right away I knew it was something pretty cool and Dave had edited it Dave had edited majority of it and he you know he came up with the logo even you know and you know and now Dave is at SNL right mm-hmm okay so so that’s where it started and then yeah that’s so you were like I’m a nun back in I’m gonna come back in for another one of these let’s keep doing this yeah I mean that was it was the cuz it was how big was that what everyone hater Hitler was – number two – yeah right so that’s the one that really took off yeah but it didn’t take I mean the first one I remember looking on Petes channel being like mom in the video I’m there’s like the second must be Journal P on Petes channel it’s pretty cool it was like four or five hundred thousand views which was good but then Vader Hitler went really really big and then then we kind of followed it up with Norris and Abe Lincoln and that I think the fact that we did three of them in a row that were pretty good mm-hmm they were all good but they were you know it never got really corny it never got really cheesy that the concept held and also maker was like on this trajectory and YouTube itself was like it was like all at the crest of this wave right there and I was like mm eight or nine or whatever we were all kind of you guys to like there it was all growing really quickly so it just got happened and then so by episode 8 I quit the theater or I left I didn’t you know I was like hey I gotta go do this thing and then I started working on rap battles full-time what’s your favorite personal performance like that’s I really I’m Italian and I really enjoyed playing Al Capone yeah I feel like it was like I feel like I owed it to my people you know so I enjoyed that and I think that people enjoyed me as that character which really felt it felt good to do that because it was nerve-wracking I really you know you afterward oh yeah the Capone family I think that I have to say Hitler to some extent because that character has been so good to us is it I got an email Hitler I feel like I don’t know if I mean I feel like I can I can play that version of Hitler in places that you shouldn’t be able to play sort of like Germany thing so right I really loved Walter White I really loved hannibal lecter this last time that we did I’m really loving some of the battles that were we have coming in the new six I saw some pictures so excited me yeah like a tough guy guys I like the tough guy character right I guess that’s always been my thing maybe it’s the athlete I mean but it’s those guys and one of the things that you you’ve done is you’ve you know you’ve developed your own online presence apart from ER be with epiclloyd channel you and what I don’t know how many you’re doing anymore but one of the really enjoyed all the ones that you have done earth at dis wraps yeah for yeah tell us about how the idea came about first of all I apologize to everybody out there for not doing more of these I really wish I could and it’s not that I don’t want to do them I just I don’t know and maybe you I don’t know how you guys do all the videos that you do I I just haven’t had time to sit down and like punch one out or like write on so so I came this transfer hire came from me it’s a kid when there used to be like your front page of YouTube or whatever it was like that front page and a kid just wrote me I started putting up little raps and stuff like that but a kid wrote me and was like hey my older brother has been picking on me his name’s Charles he’s he’s got a weird Guido mustache and he never likes any of the food on his plate to touch but he picks on me all the time you won’t leave me alone he’s right a rap destroying him yes sir this yeah so I came up with this idea like I was like that sounds fun you know it was like and it felt like the type of thing and then it felt like the type of thing that if you liked a rap battle you might like this no I was like a good example of a successful sort of spin-off I was able to drop little hints about the battle in this raps videos so people would be like on the chopper what’s that thing so you ripped Charles a new one I did ripped so so you still want to get back to doing those yeah more awesome I mean what what’s the what’s the main thing I mean there’s the epic Studios web series yeah I did it what I’m doing a web series called epic studios that’s hopefully gonna get produced in early 2016 in Toronto and that’s like a workplace comedy that is about a guy who inherits a studio from his dad who gets killed by a lion don’t say y’all so hard so hard to cope when it is so yeah epic studios did you write this I wrote it with Aaron the guy I went to college with and his wife Jill and wait what’s the outlet for this or um that’s TBD still it’s like it’s hopefully I think it’s gonna be online I think it’s gonna be online but it’s it’s still in like the process of maybe getting maybe getting picked up or not but hopefully uh that they’re good and is it like you shot a pilot or we we shot a sizzle reel it’s called like a sizzle reel so we shot a sizzle reel for that up in Toronto and it’s it’s through that in Canada you get like federal grant money to make art and stuff so it’s like this application process for that so we’re in like the second or third round of that so hopefully we’re all get picked up which would be really cool yeah oh so I pick studios and then just wraps for hire on the epic Lloyd channel and try to do that and just original music and then the big news is the Rap Battles tour which is in August we start we start touring them in the middle of August right after this season gets over and then we go on tour in the United States for a month and then we go and we’re going over to Europe so the UK and France and Spain and a bunch of dates over there so I’m not really really excited for can we come yes yeah absolutely we can come perhaps actually if we do it if we do a show here yeah hey we’re gonna ask you guys come perform so did you just ask because we just said yes I’m talking Spain – I can swing by Spain yes swing by swing on Olli yeah I’d love that yeah we got to practice a little bit more than we did before we got up there for VidCon and like started our like Mario Brothers thing like that’s hard at the wrong it’s hard it was very loud we had to start the song I look at it I’m like looking over so man like come on wink or something we were so mad at ourselves after that and nobody noticed except and then I liked it you know I was just me I was mad we were going back home and her driving back up to LA from Anaheim and I was just mad and I texted Pete and was just like man I feel so bad for not coming in at the right time we’re the Wright brothers holder we screwed up Vader Hitler at playlist Vader Hitler stars with that and there’s like no just like you got to click track oh yeah and we put that in but the click track or the beat is like the hardest thing to hear when there’s like a big audience or whatever so it’s like I missed it so like it’s like the biggest nightmare ever aside from Forgetting literally forgetting the words which I didn’t do thank God but like he was just me be like all right dude this is fun you got to sign the table you are it thank you [Music] and there you have it our your biscuit with epiclloyd let him know what you think tweet at him the epic Lloyd use hashtag ear biscuits always appreciate you guys tweeting at our guests and let them know that what do you think and what you appreciate about that conversation as always a privilege to talk to a guy that is doing something that is of such a high quality and you know I gotta say privilege I’m so privileged I’ve been looking at the the comments on the recent rap battle featuring us at Lane we were in that remember that and lots of people were saying I have no idea who these people are I don’t know who Lewis and Clark are and I don’t know who Bill and Ted are and I got to say what that means first of all is that a people don’t watch great movies from the 80s B people don’t know history the second point I think we have influence because well you know I don’t have to tell you that I haven’t seen Bill & Ted’s Excellent course sure of course and what was not supposed to mention that you’re supposed to just let that you don’t need a knowledge that you don’t you’re not you don’t need to be part of the problem because you’re part of the solution which is the second point people don’t know history oh I do know who Lewis and Clark L now think about it millions of people out there link the only thing they know about Lewis and Clark is what we have taught them as Lewis and Clark when they think Lewis and Clark they see me in you how does that make you feel that is the responsibility we rep American heroes to kids everywhere maybe this well if I’d have known that I’ve probably been even more nervous Oh recording booth oh I gotta get this right but it turned out really great I think also for the Wright brothers I mean more people know who the right person flight more people do know they you know invented the airplane and then the North Carroll the Renaissance they didn’t invent in North Carolina I know they invented it in Ohio and then they flew it in North Carolina but we don’t care we’re gonna take credit for it because they flew it at Kitty Hawk North Carolina yeah so it’s nice to be a part of it the educational thrust of hip-hop music on the Internet oh really yeah that’s one way to think about it all right guys you know what we’re gonna do we’re gonna give you another one of these next week so open your hearts open your minds open your ears for the fish all you have to just receive it – just lay down right here and just just put these headphones on and don’t it’s getting a little weird don’t think about anything just this is like the kind of the way you talk to somebody before you kill them or just before you put them on it for like dental work okay count backwards from ten nine he started a nice [Music] [Music]