[Music] welcome to ear fest kids I’m link and I’m Rhett joining us today at the round table of dim lighting our Roy fab Ito and Alex Buress creators of the popular YouTube channel the wasabi Bros if you don’t already know the wasabi brothers aren’t actually brothers hate to burst your bubble there they’re best friends we found a lot of parallels between the Wasabi’s that’s what i’ma call the Bobby’s okay that makes it even more like their brothers but okay yeah it’s not their last name you said their last name I did that wasn’t it it wasn’t was silence it was obvious Abhi’s misspelled so that’s even more interesting and we did talk about that but we there’s a lot of parallels between us and them and we find a lot of those throughout conversation like what it takes to be best friends and business partners at the same time and these guys are successful business partners I mean the wasabi bros YouTube channel wasabi Productions has 3.4 million subscribers they recently reached 1 billion video views the channel really took off back in 2012 and they created the characters Rolanda and Richard for a parody of the carly Rae Jepson music video call me maybe you may have heard that song in that video Roy who plays Rolanda is wearing a skirt and a wig and has a huge unibrow Alex plays himself and also a character called Richard who’s kind of an awkward guy who also has a unibrow this one drawn on with an obvious marker yeah if this sounds like something that would work on the internet you are right it did and it has because it has currently racked up 95 million views here’s a clip [Music] and I kiss you I wants your body you you’re so ugly gross and smelly can I kiss you I watch your body why you know like me I so pretty can I kiss you hi what’s your body he’ll your face is crooked [Music] now Rolanda and Richard appeared in several videos after this one and all of them are hugely successful but beyond Richard in Rolanda that wasabi bros make other sketches also vlogs and challenge videos they eat a lot of crazy stuff yes like we also do on GMM all of their videos have this sort of high school friends or college roommates vibe to them so you can go back to their original videos from seven years ago and you’ll see a very similar feel to their most recent videos and we discussed the reasoning behind that we also talked about their backstory meeting in Durham North Carolina North Carolina another parallel between us and them how they started using Roy’s dad’s camera to make videos that sounds familiar if you know our story how did we didn’t still Roy’s dad’s camera yeah that’s right we stole my dad’s camera but the thing that I’m most excited about you guys hearing is the conversation we had with them towards the end of the podcast which was more we got more counselor ish and more therapeutic than we probably ever gotten and I think it had to do with the fact that we’re two best friends who run a business together and run a YouTube channel together we know how difficult it can be relationally yeah and so when we find out that they’ve decided to move into different places that alex is gonna move out right and that it was Roy’s idea and they hadn’t really talked about it they actually talked about that for the first time really on this air biscuit yeah I mean we of course loved it we loved it when that kind of thing happens on an air biscuit so yeah I mean you tell us what you think as you listen to that but we really did have a great time yeah talking with the rossabi bros and we know that you’ll enjoy listening to that but first we got to give a little quick plug to our song biscuit album y’all buy that on iTunes or Amazon yes and first of all if you haven’t done it yet come on guys I mean sure the songs are there on you on YouTube but you got to carry the YouTube around with you all the time you got to get them from the iTunes of the Amazon so you can put them you go in the subway tunnel and you lose all internet and but you want to have a song biscuit in your ear the only way you can do that is by getting the song at iTunes or Amazon so please do that here’s a clip from one of the songs the bubbles bullet song featuring Lee Newton [Music] [Applause] so thanks for heading over there and downloading that if you so please and now on with the biscuit how many sound effects do you have I have just the water drop loosely hit it a few more times Wow Roy’s out in a beat good okay no I just enjoy we were just watching watching yeah like one of you make a beat and then the other one adds a sound and another sound another sound it sounds cool we haven’t really done that really maybe we should okay here’s the thing here’s the thing this is why we’re not gonna do it really because they won’t know who’s doing us you can’t take credit for it no I think and this is something maybe we’ll explore over the of course it’s conversation but rhett and I are such good friends I know you guys are great friends you go way back to like middle school right mmm and we’ll talk about that but Ren are such good friends since first grades we got you always will that there’s certain things we’re not comfortable doing that like best friends do like well if you’re gonna do a sound effect I might add here here’s their now because it starts to get a little embarrassed here’s the analogy know how good friends we are I wouldn’t do that with my wife and my relationship with link is kind of like my other marriage oh why is your wife okay you know we are we’re like old old crotchety married couple and what an old crotchety married couple start a beatbox and then I mean you know the other ones like just shut up you’re embarrassing me maybe because we’ve just known each other for so long and we spent so much time together which that we want to talk about that too because just I I always love it when there’s so many parallels with you guys but you know just from where you’re from and all that and I in you know I think some of the insights that we have into the way that we carry out this whole business partnership I love kind of seeing where somebody else is and how so get ready to talk about yourself let’s start with this and though do you ever get embarrassed by your friendship it nests Mike oh that’s too bestfriend ashiness we got a knot that you talked about it but I don’t think so no I just just normal does yeah it’s the same I think we have a question well uh what would you guys substitute for the beatbox what would we do in yeah you know I just said we would never do it if we were to do it we do ya know like what would be your substitute B I think it’s usually link saying what’s that smell and then I’m like oh it’s not me and then we just run around the room trying to find the source of this man that is our beatboxing and then he’s like why are you always so concerned about the smell tracking down it’s not it’s it’s more just like a sound so I’ll be like like I’m ready to be this isn’t about this is about four of us right now all right we’ll do it right with the bassline you’ll come in with the optelec thing again I know my role I’m getting to the burial pictures and all these guys do have us wouldn’t do it but man in middle school with its friends forever you two don’t get millions of you why did he turn into you you were supposed to add a noisy you added the noise that is your voice you guys want to be my band yeah you just saw you just saw like our week play out right here at the table okay the chalice talk about a challenge well we were the challenge the challenge that they did that we really like we want to steal that idea from hmm the single bite thing my challenge how’d you come up with that we were uh we were actually at dinner with a friend and he was like I was eating and I was like I couldn’t finish I had a little bit left and he was like yo one bite and I was a what he’s like I bet you can’t eat that in one bite and I was like huh one bite and then we just thought I was like oh we could put do like a whole lemon a whole tomato we could do some other um things like sausage and I saw the name of it that’s all the video title I was like okay well this is gonna be like you just put a bunch of nasty stuff one bite or whatever but then when I saw that it was no I’m gonna pull this corn dog and try to eat a corn dog one bite that was great I gotta say I was actually a little bit like when you got the pickle yeah in your mouth I was like he is going to die I had to help me I came on YouTube here was like a cartoon yeah the way it was I could not get a it was the worst part is like when you bit into the tomato or the pickle or whatever it was it would squirt out because it’s just so much your mouth it’s got nowhere to go yeah well but the thing that we do have in common the challenge that we you guys took kind of took it a different way you tried the Carolina Reaper well there’s people you went straight for the Seas tell us about that it was hot well why did you why did you go with seeds and now it’s because I ordered it on Amazon and that was the actual pepper I was like okay and then I came in and they were just well you know the only reason we got ahold of one is because we did the original ghost pepper challenge and then a lot of people were saying you guys should do the Carolina Reaper and then a guy in North Carolina mm-hmm I’m familiar shipped it to us shipped us three three of them they smell like death yeah I mean you only had the seed did the seed smell no no I thought it was like maybe the season won’t be as hot but they’re they’re still pretty hot they weren’t as hot as I assumed the pepper is but did you see the last yeah posted something today oh okay okay I want to talk about this okay because I saw your vlog amount to nine million Scoville yen sauce of death or whatever so you push that video out today yeah we have it okay so I have actually kind of already drawn the line we first what link says he’s doing any more peppers that are hotter than the Carolina Reaper like when they come out with that and I’m basically saying okay I’ll do it even though I’m not looking forward to it but I’m drawing a lot I’m not doing any of that extract yeah three times hotter than the Carolina Reaper well we did dropper no we had we had we’re supposed to get toothpicks so we didn’t have to the big so we got this dry spaghetti noodle and touch it to it and put in our mouth and we both died it was instant pain tearful I mean I was like waterfall his like snot was running out it was gross so like a drop base no not even a nice not a drop yeah it was just a touch to the sauce and it’s a solid sauce it’s like it’s like a candle wax consistency mm-hmm really yeah good so what was the reaction Oh like I was he was trying to talk and I was I couldn’t talk at all cuz had it worse because you had the spaghetti noodle yeah and then he actually ate the whole spaghetti noodles so the actual extract got on his throat yeah the throat is the worst everybody the throat it’s okay when I did it both the ghost pepper every stage is there everything is going through but the babies are many stages the final stage was horrible for link because he didn’t eat bananas yeah that’s the secret Oh Nana’s before and after I like ate banana whereas I do is that I don’t know does it help the heater helps like that like absorbs the stuff in your stomach and counteracts it anymore we already did the nine million there’s nothing harder than that right there will be there will be so that was the hottest sauce in the world I mean I see ya doing that you guys can take that crown let me ask this are you guys instinctively this adventurous as just people or is it your you’re willing to do things that then you want to you want to produce great episodes and great content that’s gonna that’s gonna perform well so would you have done that without cameras rolling no no I mean I would have liked like I would not that I would have maybe tried a pepper if my friends wanted to do it but I wouldn’t be like in my room alone bag I’ll eat this pepper right now and just feed it I would at least tweet it I think about the past few years of our lives the you just we don’t have crazy things that we’ve done intentionally that haven’t been part of a video because you’re like whoa if I’m gonna tell that story or I’m gonna do that that’s gonna be four views mm-hmm you guys are kind of living that same thing they probably even more than we are because we do the Willett or the weird food or the hot pepper but it’s it’s less regular than you guys are doing it yeah we just I don’t know they just really like that stuff so we do it and then our favorite thing to do is sketches but they like that so we’re like okay we’ll torture ourselves a little bit right he is better at it because I always do it after him even though we’re like same time it’s like I can’t I don’t know why I just stop but there’s one thing that we will never do and it’s because of him okay oh yeah yes yeah something’s really scared of but is it is it okay so it’s animal-related oh you know what no is it related no I think it’s not more something that you’re scared of this is give you an idea the kind of research that we do for your business oh you’re scared of being shocked we have a cane we have a shot cane as a stun gun we have both been shocked by it so hold on so you’re afraid to be I’m not shocked I’m not for anything is that because because you have been shocked yeah when I was like five I was a I don’t know my uncle had like this gadget or this little generator battery generator and I was just I just touched it and I chucked me for like straight like three seconds like seized up it like grabbed hold of you yeah you couldn’t get away from you was glued to it yeah so how does the fear of being shocked impact you beyond not making a video about being shocked I mean like there’s not a lot of shock risk from day to day right like you don’t plug things in I do I do I mean the actual just physical touch of electricity Hey but when you’re plugging things in do you like you’re very conscious of it I’m not God my hand on the inside of the prong it’s not a neurosis No that’s good it’s just I’m not gonna make that video yeah yeah I’m glad to get him to do it on my car man is he cool cuz you’re so scared of it it’ll reaction will be awesome and he’s like no I’m serious like never you know this one time in seventh grade uh one of my classmates he had like one of those electric shock he pins and is like hey can I borrow a pencil or a pen I was like okay and I actually touched it I screamed so loud what’s wrong I was like I got jacked I put I seen you in the outlet one time well my brother did it first and then he said it hurt so I wanted to I don’t want the check and it hurt it did hurt did you unlock something no nothing yes I’ve been shocked by just like the wall outlet before it’s not pleasant now back in when you were five getting shot that was in the Philippines you live in Philippines I don’t know I I was there I grew up there for like two years when I was like five or six five and six yeah so you where were you before uh here you were here then you moved there no I was born there then I moved here when I student went back day one is five came back here on a six or seven and then that Olivia okay so your parents Filipino yeah and where are you from Alex I’m uh I’m a half-filled you know you’re half Filipino mm-hmm but you never live there no I just went there for the first time this year yeah this year for a friend’s wedding okay and it was on my top place to go so so where did you grow up I was born in Montana Montana and like when I was like one we moved to the Kentucky and then when I was ten we moved to North Carolina and then when I was 24 I moved here okay Ellie yeah and so that yeah we got the North Carolina connection so when you were 10 you moved in North Carolina where you already were yeah you see and that was when you guys met we met like when I was like 13 I think we met a middle school boy he doesn’t remember I think I thought I was high school until he told me it was middle school and I was like and but you live close to each other right yeah the same street and you lived there for a few years without really knowing each other no no we knew each other because our family filipinos just are drawn together was it like a Filipino community yeah yeah but there was a lot of Filipino families in our neighborhood and this is in Durham North Carolina yeah yeah good so not far from where we grew up mmm where was you Buies Creek so like 40 miles south of Raleigh so I’m not far you know we might have been in our corner trap from Durham okay maybe an hour yeah and you all three want to NC State right yeah yeah yes three who’s the third one you think oh yes so let’s talk about this so you guys meet middle school high school whatever one middle school yeah and and what was that is there an epic first meeting story apparently not since you don’t remember I was a wedding in middle school and waiting for my parents to get me and this guy comes out of nowhere with the cards like like that was our first encounter he doesn’t remember that good that was a spot on Alex yeah and it’s still high now but it was really high I wasn’t gonna say there my nickname was Mickey Mouse in middle school and it was bad what was a magic trick I don’t remember I don’t know I was probably just trying to impress a girl or something and I was like hey I’m gonna go get that Filipino guy to do this trick sawed in half or something no I know those cards and you made one disappear I don’t know was it cool I was like okay so what was what was Durham North Carolina growing up what was that like for you guys I don’t know I just kind of just got used to it super chill a lot of cheese tobacco you got tobacco warehouses yeah there’s like downtown Jeremy did that we went to the woods a lot cuz we would in our neighborhood there’s like this trail that led to the woods and we would build a fort Durham is cut has kind of a dichotomy that you’ve got like the nice Durham and then you’ve got like the dangerous Durham like the I’m Durham yeah so where did you fall on that you got the Duke University Durham and then you got the like drive by Durham oh really Kim yeah that’s like mixed some places we went to you’re like ten minutes away from the hospital I went to northern high school high school and it was like it was the school that is like oh there’s like I remember we were Riverside which is the better new school and then we moved a little bit farther so he went to northern and when I went to Northern there was I think there was like 27 fights in the first month dude it was like borderline ghetto boy I liked rednecks and yeah so after all of them got expelled then there’s no more fights cuz all the fighters got expelled but then there was a bomb threat called one time and they made all the students go into the field into the football field and then it turned and then everybody apparent there’s just all these fights every was bringing out a fight so we’re like what’s going on and a gang called the school called a bomb threat to get everybody outside so they can fight like like take them out like fight them and then people are like heat strokes cops are trying to get people everybody’s trying to Jew come and then other kids are like running for the cars and the teachers like don’t go anywhere even though there’s fights everywhere and I was protecting my girlfriend at the time and I was like getting punched in the back by random people it was crazy free-for-all yeah so we’re really we’re pretty pretty gangster sounds like it what what was the dynamic in being Filipino and how did that play out was that a thing or was it like that’s not a thing you know I mean was because we’re from North Carolina yeah we know how right you know there is a tendency to point out everyone’s differences very early on oh no I don’t know I just I just look daft it yeah I didn’t really think about that stuff like I mean everyone says every now and then they’d be like hey yeah our family Asian hey yeah so it wasn’t it wasn’t it wasn’t a thing it wasn’t you wouldn’t call it a struggle no there’s probably like I was probably one of their like probably one two three Asians in all my class so I was usually the Asian guy in the class and that’s it like it wasn’t it wasn’t nobody ever said hey and where you either of you both of you can speak to this were you kind of becoming the class clown the entertainer oh yeah I did I was in detention all the time I was getting in trouble all the time but the teachers I was like really good friends of the teachers like all the teachers got along like I wasn’t very good in grades but I never failed because the teachers like oh it’s just Alex we’ll let him pass okay thank you I was more like the just calm guy following the rules and stuff like you were studious yes so then when did things start to develop you know what was percolating that led to being youtubers how did that start oh okay an eighth grade parents got a camera they would never use so I took it and I just made some random like back in the day is like lipstick videos videos this was pre YouTube yeah like the first day I ever yeah so you made lip sync videos and for who just not for the internet mm-hmm no no I just was bored it’s like yo I have a camera and then I windows movie maker maybe I can make something out of it and that was my mindset I made some random videos and then YouTube was there it was just a platform for like videos at the day and then we saw a storage space okay instead of like we didn’t like so he could show his family and friends if he puts it on there but oh you can just go here and watch it and that’s why the YouTube channel is actually called oh yeah Troy yeah because it was just your idea you’re I’m starting this yeah yeah you guys weren’t collaborating on that at the time what was the what what what were you doing after that you were his lip sync videos just you know there’s like eight I just got a whole bunch of my friends like y’all you wanna make a video with me there alright and then later on he came I like I don’t know like he got into it and then he like saw it was like a hobby a passion of his because he’s like teaches himself everything so he taught himself guitar piano drums editing and all this stuff and then everybody else kind of like fell off and like they just like their kids they got bored whatever and then he’s like hey Alex could make a video and I live down the street ok so Alex was like the second string yeah it was a hobby production was it called wasabi productions no just for its right at the time ok wasabi came when I watched jackass the movie when steve-o snorted wasabi and I have never heard the word wasabi before I was like oh that’s a cool word and then I misspelled it oh so it’s so it’s not a play on ass it’s just wasabi misspelled where wasabi with extra ass so it works yeah so you brought Alex in on what you were doing whenever all your other true friends abandoned yeah we can do it I was recruiting so then you cuz how are you guys know 23:25 ok so you kind of experienced high school and YouTube success all at the same time yeah it was weird because we went to different high schools but we lived near each other and then I moved to next to him but for one more year we stayed at the high school I was at and then I moved to his and when I went to his we were already making videos for like a year and everybody at the high school knew me and it was weird for me and I was like whoa yeah that was you know I think you guys might be the first people that we’ve talked to that experienced that success while in high school that’s a what does that like everybody smile Smosh – its kind of the same thing and at the same time yeah yeah that’s true yeah so and what people liked the videos it wasn’t like oh you guys are weird for doing that like oh no it’s like I only wanted to be a part of it and what do you think I mean at that time did you have some kind of sense that like yeah this is pretty cool this might go somewhere did you guys have a did either of you have more of a business mindset towards like this could become something or is it just like this is cool I don’t know what I’m gonna do it is aha be like okay let’s keep making videos or whatever because we didn’t make any like money oh yeah at the beginning it wasn’t for money we didn’t knew but you did but it was called wasabi productions I mean it sounded like a put it on the front of the videos even yeah so there was a little bit of that mindset that like I were um you lating anyone else it was it just we want to seem legitimate or it would just be fun to call ourselves something productions yeah their productions or Phil oh my god yeah so it was aspirational yeah yeah but you gave it up to go to college you kind of had to get real yeah for like so what what was once we stopped what was that decision point like when you were graduated from high school you’re big on YouTube right yeah but we still didn’t like it wasn’t like a big revenue source or like anything we’re just making videos for fun and then we were like oh time to grow up and then eventually we were like man we missed it so we just came back and then then it blew up again and we’re like whoa so you went to you went to NC State um to to study what computer engineering pewter engineering our alma mater and what where did you go what did you do I went to the University of YouTube no I was like I said I was a class clown so I wasn’t very good in school and I went to Community College for a couple years but it wasn’t for me even in Community College I was still the class clown I didn’t want to be just it’s just part of me just making people have so you kind of had to wait for Roy to come back around to this the YouTube idea is that is that well I mean we just both stopped I went to work I was like working two jobs and then he was in school and then we just like really hey let’s just make videos again just for fun whenever we have time like on in the summer or something we’re still in whatever video yeah and I would drive from Durham to Raleigh oh I remember one time uh I don’t know what caused me to think like you know let’s make videos again but I had like a I pod touch at the time I was like I should sell this for a just like a decently nice camera so I sold it and used the money to buy a decent nice camera along with like the money I got from work and that’s when we started back up again okay so you see got the camera and then what did you what did you make was it a decision to just start it back up more lip sync videos or sketches or was it and was did something really blow up then or was it just more of oh we’re it just pick up right where you left off at first we just did sketches for a bit and then we heard about the old like partnership program so we deleted all the videos and just just posted every like once probably like once a month yeah and then we got more serious yeah then he would all he would drive all the way to rally from Dara I’m like every like week and then we would still miss random stuff yeah and then it was until the whole Rolanda thing yeah kind of just blew us up a little bit yeah they loved this character yeah and so how did those characters come about the Rolanda and Richard before the call me maybe video yeah yeah he came to me with a script I was like hey or I was like we’re in Florida and I think and when the call me maybe song came out and I was like dude listen to his song it’s just crazy and then like a week later he’s like hey by the way I wrote a parody for that song I like okay and then then we started making the parody and then then we’re like oh he had these two we had these characters and we’re like okay and then we brought them to life like he became Rolanda and I became Richard and we decided like to draw on her faces and make it like really out there yeah Rolanda Rolanda was born because back in middle school I used to I guess be girl for like Halloween one of those like middle school Halloween parties so would you show up with like a yes you did yeah I guess so whenever they would have skirt and like my chest area in a unibrow not not a unibrow okay I don’t know how the unibrow came alive we just we knew some nice brush we knew she was like Alex was like the heartthrob and we needed somebody gross and disgust and that’s where came from and then we needed somebody even worse to be rolando stalkers okay Richard him No that was that worked yeah so when you put did the Rolanda voice happen after you saw yourself in the mirror oh I have no idea might give us the give us the voice like that that just how much developed more into that I don’t know I think yeah right for the mirror like yo ever asks you like hey how should this character sound so I just tried to fit voices it’s like gross oh yeah he did yeah I remember you’re like hey how’s this and then how about this huh and then say with Richard actually something happens he’s got a weird voice – yeah he does we were going we must give us a little richer because we were in the middle of filming and then he had to go home for something he’s like oh I run home and there’s like five miles away and then when he came back I took a nap and when he woke up everybody let’s go and I was really tired and I was like okay things I just do some crazy boy sounds like I was just really tired like super demo and then it just and then tired that you couldn’t talk to your man and then I just sounded cool and then eventually like you can really understand what he was saying so I had to clear it up a little bit but it was really a leg you couldn’t even understand at the beginning and that video almost has 100 million views now it does like all these years later like people just go back and comment and it’s like I watched this when I was a kid yeah it’s still hilarious now that’s what the comments are and I’m sure there’s still kids yeah you know in in one sense but the thing that you know for that video to blow up so huge my assumption was oh that was just out of nowhere but what I didn’t realize was that I mean now when I look back the preceding videos on your channel we’re still getting millions of views yeah but that one and those up but yeah but yeah so yeah so the ones the earlier ones blew up because I mean they were big but they were so big yeah so when that happened you’re in you’re in school mm-hmm and you’re kind of like let’s make this a thing like what was that conversation like and you didn’t what happened was cool unit of finishing right oh yeah I changed my major let’s change it to one thing uh film studies oh you didn’t drop out you just film studies yeah his parents actually said they’re like hey we know that your business is like kind of blew me right now and if you want to move to LA which we feel is the right thing then we won’t be mad at you for not finishing he’s like no I’m gonna finish for you but what did you have to say about that I was like I’ll wait I’m not gonna leave them alone my mom actually said finish school oh really yeah yeah I thought you told me that they said it’s fine if you wanted to no that’s your parents get confused you start to take his story but what so for the record your mom was like you gotta get a degree okay you can wear that unibrow and get you know tens of millions of views and probably shout out some Carly Rae Jepsen did she shout you out I don’t know I want to meet you wanna meet you call me maybe she’s listening right now but she said you got to get that degree did you get the degree I did I did yeah yeah I did it because her dream was to you know for all her kids to get a degree so it meant something for you guys to go to college and finish it you’re like I’m gonna make that happen but you’re in the midst of this success and by that point with a partner program I’m assuming some financial success so you’re like okay this we could do this we can afford to move to LA and by this point because I’m gonna kind of track the evolution of it kind of being this hoitz Roy thing to being wasabi productions like when did this become a thing where it was like this is a business partnership this is this this is our friendship but it’s also a business partnership and this is gonna be our thing like did you were you guys thinking that in college oh yeah actually probably like a month after the whole Carly or either call me maybe video boom and then we saw like the I guess our paycheck or like whoa yeah and it just became like the same every single month and then that’s when we like talked to each other like yo we gotta do something about this so yeah it freaked us out because the first time we actually got a big like paycheck from what we’re doing we’ve already been doing it for like years and then we went to Florida to see some friends and I’ll probably make it like $2,000 a month and then we I was like we went there and then I was like on the way back we stopped to eat and I was like me and I was stressing out and I was like man I should not have spent that much money what am I gonna do like I got a I don’t know I was just stressing out and he’s like ah let me let me check it was sabe and see maybe there’s something and then he was like whoa and then he showed me I was like I was like come on man stop playing like I’m really stressed out he’s like no this is real this is a fake and I was like what and we just like I don’t know we just started pacing the Zaxby’s we were in in Georgia so what was that conversation like what was the conversation was like we got to get serious was it like a week that we didn’t know if it was like a started happening we thought it was like a one-time thing and the next month is the same thing and the next month it was even more and we’re like whoa and then then we got a financial financial advisor yeah he actually suggested that we should just like sorry business and then we just went from there yeah and then we got now we got like retirement funds and so we’re in like stocks and all like investing and everything but cuz it wasn’t just that one video you kept making videos I mean the very next video you brought back those two characters that’s got 20 million views then Richard was back in the next video I mean it was like yeah every few weeks you kind of once at work you laid to it right you and that one just got thank you almost 40 million which is really smart you know a lot of I mean because you weren’t new to the game you were totally ready to capitalize on it and you saw it seems like you started to break out music in real life – mm-hmm you know that and then people were going back getting older videos and we actually a music my life we didn’t know any other youtubers or anything but we saw Steve’s thing like we’re good friends with Steve Barney yeah Steve Cardinal and we uh we saw him we’re like oh that’s a cool idea but you know like how people do print um challenges now and then everybody does challenge you didn’t sound like that we’re like wow he’s really funny let’s make a video like him we didn’t think of it as like oh we’re taking is this thing yeah and then I didn’t realize that until like we’ve already made like three and then he he actually tweeted at me and he was a little upset and I was like I was like oh I’m dude I’m sorry happy yeah I thought you would like it and then we didn’t know was gonna blow up like it did so I could see how he could be upset about it but really we were so sorry we’re he’s like oh we’re not gonna make any more okay and then he’s like okay but now your friends yeah and then I saw him in person and as soon as I saw him he’s like dude I’m so sorry I was having a bad day that day like I don’t I just needed somebody to like talk like get mad at and he’s happened to be there and I was like okay and now he’s really cool now the interesting thing is that your videos still have a certain vibe to them it’s kind of a it’s they still have the hey my parents found a guy got my parents camera and we’re having fun hanging a video right yeah well how would you describe it odd happy yeah I would describe it as we were kids when we started and we never left that kind of theme so we even though we got older we kept the same like so right so is that it that might as my question is was that calculated to be like yeah but this is all right please stuck with it and we got we learned how to like master that vibe so like kids love it and we know how to make kids laugh and our fanbase is like 3 to like 18 year olds and there’s a lot of times parents come up to us because the kids are too young and they’re scared to say hi and the parents recognize this or the kids are like and so so how has so this is kind of two two-part question is who do you picture like when you think of a fan who do you picture like you guys have somebody in mind when you’re making a video and then how’s the fact that your fans are our younger how’s that impacted like the content and how far you go and we stay mostly PG and family-friendly because of our families and because like brand friendly I would think of like someone like Shay Carlos kids yeah yeah yeah they’re a really big fan so yeah fans I always imagine them yeah as long as we cater our like content towards them then yeah something that like we wouldn’t want parents to not let their kids watch em hmm right so you keep that in mind yeah and has that been I mean you know we do a similar thing I think that we move the stuff that we create we think of okay we’d like a family to be able to sit down and enjoy this we may not have a kid in mind when we develop it but you know we’d like a family to to to be able to enjoy it I mean has that been a frustration for you not really I don’t think so mm-hmm cuz I don’t know we’re not really late there’s not a lot of youtubers like us like family-friendly and actually aim for the younger we’re like the disney channel of youtube i have a lot of friends they do pranks who are they like cuss or they do vlogs and like other people are saying things that we wouldn’t usually say and i guess over time you can get used to just the content you produce yeah and that’s what we we do like a lot of slapstick we slap each other like yeah hurt each other literally slap each other yeah yeah he punched me in the stomach one time oh dude there’s like this one take I remember you couldn’t get the stop right so you can slap it really like good that’s right okay I’ve looked in one time I think he like sprained his ankle remember that one where I tried to get you over my back or like this and then you like did it like 10 times and then at one you’re like oh no no no say wait I can’t I can’t my like stuff like that cuz it doesn’t I mean it’s just pain it’s fine it’s just pain pain is that one that will change it’s very it’s just a pain that will not go away is what will start to happen trust me you guys live together – yeah okay so like the couches that you guys are perched on when you’re doing different challenges or like in the in the patio area this is like where you actually live where you shoot yeah you shoot where you live you know yeah it’s not like your videos I don’t know why well the way you said it sounded like you live where you shoot or like you were expecting somebody to finish thinking about this I was like I’m unintentionally making it sound like that don’t crap where you eat thing don’t crap where you eat or eat when you finish good enough myself shoot where you crap so I mentioned it a couple of things first of all just the creative approach for you guys and in the intersection between your friendship and your your lives and being business partners the thing that I think read alluded to earlier so first let’s just explore the the creative approach you have you have a schedule it’s like every Wednesday you got to come out with a video and you’re very consistent with that which is pretty key you know everyone who’s successful says that I’m sure you guys get say that too how challenging is it to to keep it going you know when you’ve got that Weekly thing are you in a what’s the creative process well since we moved to LA we have a team now like we used to do all our stuff all around now we have two guys that helped us out with everything the lighting camera editing so that do they live with you – no because I get that vibe it’s like okay now they’re perched on the back of the couch in this video I don’t know man could you put them in the videos – yeah Kyle and will will yeah okay and there are there youtubers and we met them when we came out here because we were looking for people to help us out and then um it turns a hot like when we started hanging out of them a lot and we became really good friends now as a team in terms of the how do you guys divide up the creative process is there like a division of labor here I used to do a lot of editing but now that we have a team editing now we both write mm-hmm and what those scripts back and forth and now we have we actually have them see what they think about it usually we film in bulk so we come like are like mmm seven videos in two weeks and then yeah just release it but and after that we take like a month off to just like think of ideas and write because we need that time to think yeah okay sometimes we get like you know writer’s block or whatever yeah and it’s really just it’s like well there’s an interesting dynamic too because I know Roy you have a daily vlog you’re doing basically a daily video yeah I decided and you’ve got snapchat and Alex you don’t kind of have that you’ve got your Twitter and that kind of thing chat a lot your case you’re doing snapchat – yeah but the daily see like are you doing the daily vlog and editing that – are you getting some of the team to edit that no I so like how is like the way that we work together there’s this like if one of us when one of us wouldn’t decide to do a daily vlog because we would have a conversation about it before we did it would be like you can’t do that because you won’t be able to do this you know what I’m saying like how that how does that work with you guys it’s like no I’m gonna do this and it’s not gonna get in the way is that a cut you guys have a conversation before you decide to do something like that how does that work he just started but I’m not upset about anything used to be a gaming channel oh yeah oh crap yeah I have no time for game so I’m just gonna change it to vlogging channel but is that something indicative about your personality that you’re kind of like a starter like I’m gonna go I’m gonna do this I’m gonna start the channel I’m gonna start the daily vlog yeah I just like to be predicative yeah he’s definitely a self start like everything he likes to learn on his own like just like all the instruments like everything is self-taught with him and then I like having like direction like I only haven’t been taught he likes learning by himself I guess also just the fact that we’re here in LA now just get the I just you know just to do something so right ideas so again so alex is there a motivation issue here with you know do it actually my brother is moving out here in September we’re moving into separate places and my brother’s moving out to move in with me and we’re gonna start like a brother vlog so we’ll be like a little twist to like just Alex and now the other brother so could your brother already YouTube’s YouTube channel and so we’re gonna do it together to be cool so yeah so how does that work you know you’re you guys have different side projects that you’re working on and it still is it is it totally side project or is it still something with them with sabi productions how you guys worked out means more like a hobby this is something to do every single day but I get the impression that if if you go off and do something like that and you’re like he didn’t he didn’t really talk about it he just kind of did it mhm it’s it do you got like how often you guys have like alright let’s talk about wasabi production so let’s talk about where we’re at where we’re going or is it kind of just like this is kind of you’re kind of going you’re kind of making up as you go along and like this work it’s okay that he started out because he did spend a lot of time editing because I never edited I did mostly writing and then um he did all editing and then now that we have a team doing it editing he had so much free time that we both have a lot free time so I travel a lot and then he does the vlogs and um that’s just what we started doing with our time extra time and now I’m gonna start doing the daily vlogs and travel what yeah okay and travel so what’s behind the separation you guys are separated now he’s gonna be something coming out yeah what’s behind that I don’t know why are we separating [Laughter] the first time I heard about it is he came to me I was like hey I think we should we just moved it or we moved we live together in Raleigh once we started getting bigger I was like makes sense like we’ll fill them together at the same place and then we moved here and a couple months after we moved in he was like hey I think we should separate when the lease is up and I was like why and he said our lifestyles are different and I was like okay and then I don’t know why I’ve never asked for explanation I just agreed so well let’s talk about it now yes explanation yeah yeah what’s different about your lifestyles right I’m asking Roy I asked you today all right our lifestyles are different because controversy yeah Roy your idea you know you do today uh-oh there’s a just there’s a diplomatic well I don’t know there’s a diplomatic way to approach it or maybe not you basically said her life cells are different uh he does things I don’t do I do things easy synergize yeah so how does that how does that impact you guys your creative collaboration are you saying that this is also a creative separation no all right well he said what he said that we are live different but he wants to grow as an individual and that makes sense because we’ve been together for so long and we’ve always been like right next door or like a short drive away and um so separating would I think I I could see how it could be good I mean I I don’t I don’t I like living with you but I mean it doesn’t matter like I know we don’t like butt heads it’s just we I do do some stuff that he doesn’t okay but from a creator not gonna miss but currently one of them can be heard well fatally I think it’s a good thing another house to film in there we go is right well that’s that’s a kind of yeah the is it I think this would be better ultimately for wasabi productions if we did not live together isn’t is that part of it I don’t know I feel like we’ll still see each other yeah like venture territory we’ve never been separate so we’re gonna see it’s like yeah but Roy this being your ID okay good was I think what Red’s asking is was it a was it a personal decision or a business decision and it sounds like it was just a personal decision oh yeah it was a personal and then from a from a business standpoint or a youtube channel or a Content standpoint that that didn’t play into the decision you just assume that the plan is for publicly in terms of your content nothing’s gonna change yeah I don’t think it’s gonna offend how we work together at all cuz we’re still gonna be like close to each other like we already talked about we’re gonna be either in the same community or like really close so we don’t have to drive far to work yeah yeah so and you’re gonna keep the schedule intact oh yeah yeah yeah because I mean you guys know is it one of the things that we’ve experienced over the years is that one of the reasons that we’ve been so consistent with content at least would like GMM being able to do that for a few years it’s the two of us I mean it’s like it’d be so difficult to do this by yourself no yeah well daily vlogs like or like kind of a one-person thing I think whatever you’re saying but I’m saying like you know what snobbery Productions continuing and continuing to evolve and you guys growing and growing that it’s kind of the thing that in order for it to be successful you kind of gotta break the other you got to do it you guys yeah we’re ever gonna separate no it’s never gonna be like hey I’m leaving and you’re on your own we’re always gonna be together it’s just very moving into our houses yeah yeah yeah growing up yes probably growing up to see what it’s like okay and now are we okay guys anything else you want to talk about to each other talk to each other yeah alright I’ll put it to you this way you know will will will gladly be a resource for comedic duo youtuber advice if you have any questions for us related to that we’d love to be of assistance to patch things up because clearly just kidding yeah well you know here’s the thing I will say is that we we talked to Smosh hmm ask them similar questions and I think we got it was interesting I think we got a pretty similar response and I think it might just be the fact that we’re almost 40 years old mm-hmm and like we’ve you know like we we were married with kids separate families before this whole YouTube thing started and it was so it had to work as a business and there was so much like in we’re super analytical and there’s just these constant conversations that go back and forth when we kind of we were talking to Ian and Anthony about things it’s kinda like they were well we aren’t really like they ended up having this I guess where they were talking to each other in a way that you could tell they never talked to each other yeah you know that’s a plug for going back and listening to but I kind of see the same thing happening yeah but with you guys is he right was it Roy had this idea that you guys should live separately and you were just like well ok yeah you really surprised oh I thought I did something wrong but I didn’t like we’re not really like we don’t really talk like straight forward like hey stop doing that or I don’t know so what kind of passive aggressive each other so he was like hey we do this and I was like I didn’t ask like why or did I do something I was just like okay and so that’s it but we’re working on that we’re trying that we had a talk how would you get you have a talk yeah I talked to you last week yeah like hey man I got serious I mean most of the time the serious talks with us happen in the in the midst of like a argument it isn’t like hey let’s have a discussion it’s never had arguments I’m mad at you right now and then it turns into let’s talk about our relations is really why I’m mad and then it becomes a like a relationship check-in yeah we would we could we would not still be working together without those check-ins so nice it’s not what you’re saying Roy he said no I actually didn’t see who said it just then when you said we’ve actually never had a fight yeah that’s me I don’t think we’ve ever had like a straightforward argument where he was like I’m mad at you and I was like I’m mad at you I think do you think that’s a problem well I don’t really ever get mad no because I think we rent I are our stances that’s a sign of a problem yeah so we should get mad more often yeah I mean yes just well you should vocalize and what you’re actually feeling when you are mad because you’re human and when you work this close to somebody there’s got to be some conflict I mean if you’re it’s a lot like a marriage I mean we were kind of joking but when you when you work together as closely as we do as you guys have to to be as successful as you’re and then when you become as successful as you are mmm there’s it’s a it’s a complicated relationship where I mean there’s money involved there’s there’s friendship involved there’s and name all other things there’s kids involved yeah together you can’t do anything ultimately that doesn’t affect the partnership and some to some degree oh man my heart I feel so warm I was like I was like because sometimes I feel like you were mad at me and I didn’t know why and then but we don’t talk so I was just like peeing it so I would try to figure it out on my own and then like it would never like fixed it I mean I don’t I don’t know what it is oh I just like always felt like you were annoyed by me for like a while and I was like I was like oh maybe it’s a phase but it was for a while and then you talked about it then you wrote this so you just can’t it into the sketch it called annoying so annoying so Roy you wrote so annoying the sketch and is that a passive-aggressive way to address no I was not actually I’m not YouTube there it was actually like a sketch like a renewal sketch for our old videos that we deleted okay okay good good okay all right we’re not gonna make you guys can just talked about your relationship later you’re on time you don’t do it let’s call you feel proud yeah I’ll call you for round two and podcast one interesting Dynamis into this back and the answers are all there okay yeah that’s true yeah are you guys seeing things that you’re not saying that you’re like we are we have seen everything where you guys there when we talked like we bugged you for the past three years yeah now there’s another interesting dynamic and that is the ladies mm-hmm Alex you’re you’ve kind of struck a chord with the ladies I mean how you know anytime you take your shirt off in a video it’s like there’s a social media well that’s for buzz so that will happen and that’s my question is does that become something that it’s like all right there’s gonna be there’s gonna be a topless moment and this know usually in it I’m like hey I can take my shirt off for that cool and then I do I just it’s not because I’m like cocky I might look at my body it’s because it makes it’s like further videos like so what is calculated though yeah to add a little sex appeal little bit not like Royer you like writing it into sketches that all started actually because of the call me maybe I became like the heartthrob because he wrote me as a heartthrob and then from there I just became like typecast as the heart through just playing a role now yeah now I’m just like in that role forever because I mean Roland oh that’s it like Rolanda Alex so Alex has to be the heartthrob that rule Anna wants and then it just makes Khan it makes for landed that much grosser mmm you know what maybe there is some truth maybe maybe something about the love triangle that you guys have created between the two of you on you two maybe that could be therapeutic somehow just talk through that if you can work through the love triangle of Richard Rolanda in Aleks huh you could solve all kinds of problems talk about our feelings as Richard and Roland hey listen that might be the key is my puppet talk to your puppet yeah that’s not a bad idea at all no you’re not mad at me right now I’ve never felt like you were mad at me and you wouldn’t you wouldn’t tell me you just like it’s good I don’t know I just felt like you’re mad at me bro I like a lot of times and I would never know what it is and then I would get an idea of it so like the one thing you’re like that we’re not gonna talk about that I that you know I tried to contain it and then the other like stuff I try to contain I try to contain everything that I think bothers you that you wouldn’t that you don’t tell me about you well you just do up to me be like hey are you mad at me I could what would you tell him but would you be straight up with him yeah okay all right let me think about this for a second and then I met you cuz yeah yeah but I’m scared like you’re not mad and then you’re like not even married what am i I don’t know what I’m scared about I don’t know I just we got a a well yeah we have some stuff we got work yeah it is actually after that talk like last week I feel like our relationship has gotten better just in this last week but we never like you guys making us seem like we hate each other okay no no but listen man I think it’s normal it’s totally normal when you when you work out yeah yeah you know every duo we’ve talked to and we talked to corridor digital they had this whole thing where they had to develop a signal on set for when they got into an argument so that that person it was a flash it’s a flash but they call it flash card they play the card wild card wild card yeah when you play the wild card which is just like saying wild card yeah you get your way and you get one of those per day so that they wouldn’t buy heads they would fight on shoots in front of Oh Barriss himself I think everybody I mean this applies to people who are in relationships in general but and we kind of got over the self-consciousness a long time ago of talking about our friendship and our creative partnership as if it was a relationship because I mean let’s face it that’s what it is it’s not a romantic relationship but it is a relationship and so when you spend much time with somebody I spend as much time with him as I spend with my wife I’m with my wife during the during the during the evening and we’re asleep for a most yeah if you don’t count sleeping time right and so you’re gonna have to apply the same kind of things you’re not gonna stay married for 20 years unless you have a pact yeah and this you’re not gonna work together forever it’s not it’s not that you guys that we sense that you guys are like there’s problems it’s just it’s a given we are curious about how you handle those things and so when we started asking about it you’re like I don’t know why I know you guys excited we smell blood in the water sometimes and we want to get us something juicy I mean that’s this is an air biscuit yeah we came here fair I [Laughter] will be like hey checking if you’re mad I had to shoot me well good yeah yeah all right there’s a commitment and that is healthy and that will move on draining our you need to take a nap so what are there any plans can you give us the scoop on anything like creative will we expect more the same as there’s something else they were actually just talking about that on the air give it to us we’re talking about doing like maybe a series or a movie that’s a big step because like we got so comfortable and what we do now and like we’re doing good at what we do now so what you seemed like smosh smosh has got the movie if does that apply some pressure well we shall do that now yeah man yeah you know oh you don’t know about it I don’t maybe you watch this Smosh movie trailer and it’ll apply some pressure for you guys you know when is that coming up July 22nd I’ve been to remember that because I saw it on the end of the trailer in that right really yeah like there’s like Shane Dawson had one and then like camp Takota yeah Caspar Lee and ksi well I mean I say Smosh because in terms of tone it’s I mean it’s not you guys aren’t the same tone or the same audience I guess but there’s some overlap and just kind of like the craze it’s over the top yeah like the tone you know so but what we were talking about is the movie is not like Arnett or what we usually do we’re thinking of doing like something more serious so more like a romantic cop yeah like a romantic comedy but usually it’s just straight comedy like over-the-top slapstick kind of stuff so it’s kind of scary cuz like we’ve never done anything like this so we don’t know how they’re gonna feel that me neither yeah only way to find out is to try it yeah you might want to try a smaller form before the movie yeah you know like a well produced high quality series first just to see how we do it and then actually somebody was talking about directing Hey I don’t know how to’s but okay you’ve got to start doing it cool well fellas thanks for diving in the deep end with us now sign this table of dim lighting here’s the marker thanks fellas [Music] and there you have it our biscuit with Alex and Roy yeah I had a good time where that one went you know kind of yeah counselor mode yeah but I but I think it’s coming from a place of well first of all let them know yeah I want to I want people to let them know how they appreciate them being open because when people come into an air biscuit situation I think they do know they’re gonna talk about some intimate things potentially yeah they told us that Olga Kay told them that she cried write the inside and they didn’t cry didn’t or a little I think they were they had their guard up or I don’t know how they would put it but well I think it can’t record but if you could just thank them for that you can do that via their Twitter that’s at Alex wasabi and at Roy wasabi of course Roy is our oh I and wasabi is two S’s lwas sa bi hashtag ear biscuits let them know what you thought and also we also appreciate you leaving a review on itunes that helps a lot you can comment along with the conversation on soundcloud but I hope this came through in terms of their experience that it’s not like we were trying to get something out of them to create a great year biscuit I think by that point in the conversation there was so much residence in resonance and kind of knowing two guys friends business partners we I mean we’re there and we’ve been there been there a lot longer than they have so we just kind of know it’s communication is key I mean to get through this you got to get through these relational things in order to not over complicate how to run a business communication or vice versa communication is key and conflict is guaranteed that’s what I was saying I think well one of the interesting things we haven’t really talked about this before anywhere I don’t think but well maybe a little bit one of the things that we have seen repeatedly in the comments on good mythical morning is people like to point out well there seems like there’s some tension between you guys I I think behind the scenes rhettandlink really hate each other or sometimes there might be a moment when we’re being really authentic and good mythical more where one of us kind of pisses the other off or something like that yeah I think the thing that I have observed in the younger generation of like teenagers who watch our show and are the most vocal commenters is that I think that they expect that their friendships shouldn’t be conflict free so if we have conflict with somebody therefore you can’t be a friend with them and first of all most of that tension that people are perceiving is is their perception it’s not really there but when it is there when we legitimately are getting on each other’s nerves or we legitimately have a disagreement that kind of makes its way out into you know our entertainment that’s expected if you if you if you have any valuable friendship with somebody you’re gonna have that I think it’s it’s almost like there’s a reaction from the commenting segment of the GMM fanbase that they they fear that like we’re gonna break up or something you know like like their parents are gonna get a divorce like oh the parents are fighting rhett and Link are fighting that means my show is gonna go away no it’s you’re gonna you’re gonna have conflict I mean even with with my kids sure there’s certain times where Chrissy and I get we have conflict because we’re humans and we’re in a relationship and and a lot of times that’s in front of the kids we’re having now we’re not having like a like a yelling match in front of the kids but we’re having an disagreement and and it’s how you handled that conflict and reconcile that means a lot more to those kids and never having the conflict in front of them to begin with right and so like I come out and say to the kids sometimes like I can see concern on their faces when we’re disagreeing and so I’ll say to them I’ll explain to them this is part of it this is part of a relationship is that there’s going to be conflict and you just it’s the alarm shouldn’t go off it’s how you handle it it’s where you have to hit paydirt and when I hear that there’s somebody who is a but you know it applies in relationships you know romantic relationships but also friendships when I hear that there’s a couple that’s getting married and they’re like we never fight I’m like okay well you are going to and it’s gonna be bad yeah but I think that with friendships or you’re lying to me it when I meet somebody who’s been who friendships you like Smosh was an example of this and I think that wasabi brothers kind of mirrored this a little bit it’s like the same thing happened like we mentioned on on the air biscuit that Smosh didn’t seem like they had talked a whole lot about their feelings you know before and I you know but I think that me and you didn’t do a lot of that until our thirties no you’re I know I mean we’ve been over 30 for quite some time now most of my really yours has happened since yeah I I think it’s a product of being married I think you know being committed to making a marriage work you’re it’s all about the relationship and it’s not complicated by like well it’s just a friendship and you’re gonna you know blow over like two guys who are just best friends and college roommates like yeah you take each other off and it just blows over but I quickly learned in a marriage that when you’re when you’re that close to each other you you gotta resolve this once it’s when something’s at stake and you’re building something together you know a friendship where there’s nothing at stake and it’s just an acquaintance or it’s like oh I just enjoy hanging out with this person okay I could see how there might not be conflict but when you start building something together with us I’m married to whether that’s a business there’s things at stake children bulls there’s people’s desires in that show you know you have to start taking other people’s will into account there’s going to be conflict yeah so I I think we started to apply what we were learning in our marriages to each other because we work we started coming up against that level of conflict and it’s still not the type of it’s it’s not not awkward to have that conversation no you know whenever we have to have those conflict resolution moments I most of the time it’s still something we stumble into like we’ll be having a creative conversation or a creative disagreement and we’ve learned to pick up on it we’ll get personal when there’s something under the surface that is the real problem and it gets personal right and so what will happen is we’ll be having a creative disagreement but one of us or both of us is or disproportionately angry about it and then of it and then one of us will like break the seal on like personal honesty like all right now I’m gonna make this personal you hurt my feelings when you said that because I felt like you it was condescending or you think I’m an idiot or something right now it and I’ll say something like that and then we’ll end up having an hour and a half conversation sometimes in front of a team member that like makes him feel really awkward yeah we don’t do that anymore that has that we did that back in North Carolina when we had well we did that when we were Eric working for as well and we did that when we were in the one in the garage with Jason because there’s no place to go yeah I know I remember good morning Chia Lincoln we were having and doing that show where it was unedited that was something that really brought it to the surface and we started having these knock-down drag-out fights and like he would be sitting there like just waiting to get the footage so you get it yeah and I did again I think that yeah I can even almost feel it in the in the perspective of some of our younger listeners that they’re like I don’t I don’t get it I don’t underst but I think it’s just because you probably have it built something with someone else to the degree that a marriage or a business something that requires so you know it’s coming and I’m just letting you know it’s expected you know communication is key and conflict is guaranteed maybe I should go the other way conflict is guaranteed and communication is key put that on a t-shirt or a bumper sticker or both and I know we’ve talked for a long time about this and the music playing because we’re coming in for landing and when this thing is wrapping up but I don’t know how helpful this is to hear our perspective but hey if it is helpful then you’re rewarded for sticking around to the end of this ear biscuit because I’d get a feeling not everybody does that they might fail a little bit early not sure if you bailed well we atlas we just saved your friendship in your your partnership or your marriage or whatever you’ve got we we just saved it we take full credit for that you’re welcome but you did hurt my feelings recently and I’m talking to you listener not Juba hmm okay that’s gonna be awkward [Music] [Music]