Hi, I’m Barbie Ferreira, and this is my Last Meal. Every person has exactly two things in common. We all gotta eat, and we’re all gonna die. Today’s guest stars in the new movie Bob Trevino Likes It, out in theaters on March 21st. She’s also starred in Euphoria, hosted a Vice show, modeled in international campaigns, and is the lead singer and bassist of post post emo band Seasonal Affective Disorder. Barbie Ferreira, welcome to the show. I am definitely the bassist of that band. Yeah. Thank you for having me. Of course, of course, all of us sad heads out here. We’ve been waiting for more than a decade at this point for an album, a single, any sound whatsoever, and we have not gotten it. When can we see your debut album? To be honest, um, I’ve been working for years on a lot of different things. I’m trying to figure out my sound because I love, um, a hyper pop moment, but I also like love like a traditional pop punk emo, so we’re really trying to find the the mix there, so one day. I love that you’re not rushing it though, you’re like, I feel like all those genres have changed around you. Yeah, since you’ve started Seasonal Affective Disorder? Exactly, I’ve actually renamed it. I’ve had we’ve gone through breakups me and my you know me and my partner in it, we’ll see. Would you say this band exists in a traditional sense? Never. Okay, gotcha. Perfect. Perfect. Gotcha. That makes sense. Why no songs. Um, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you. Have you thought about your last meal before? I actually have not. Um, I think that I, what’s good about this show is that you can have like a bunch of different ones, but like having one single food is like very scary to me because I grew up in like such a culinary family. Like my mom’s a chef, my aunt’s a chef. So I feel like food is Um, a way of expressing, like, just how I’m feeling in that moment, like, what I’m obsessed with, so it’s hard. I love, I love it too much to like, pick my favorite. Was there any one dish that stood out when you were thinking about it? Like, oh, if there was one single plate of food, if this was a 30 second show, that like, that would be the thing. Anything that is, like, um, Brazilian food that’s, like, made by my mom. So my mom makes a really yummy, like, um, bobo de camarão, she can make, like, a, like, even, like, everything she makes is just, has, like, that Brazilian, like, nostalgia flavor to it. So it’s, like, I would probably say that. I would say anything my mom makes. Oxtail, she makes a really good one with, like, rice and beans, and, like, a little collard green. It’s just, yeah. So probably that. Uh, how often do you think about death? A lot. A lot? Is this a recent thing, or like throughout your whole life? My whole life. Like, my, my favorite movie growing up was Harold and Maude, and it was like, where Harold like pretends to, like, you know, um, he sets up these kind of, uh, pranks, where he, um, would different murder or, uh, you know, scenarios. And yeah, so I always like a little goth, a little emo. So it was, I, I’ve pondered death my whole life. That sounds so dark, but I don’t think so. I don’t think it has to be. No, I think, I think everyone thinks about death a lot more, especially than they lead on, and if they don’t, I think they’re kind of like kidding themselves, it’s almost the only thing that we should think about. Yeah, I mean that’s like the only certain thing that’s gonna happen, huh? That’s what I’m saying, we gotta eat and we gotta die. She knows the tagline of the show. Uh, are you ready to get to the first course of your final meal? Yes! Let’s do it. Barbie, for the first course of your final meal, we have the pigs in a blanket, some freshly laminated pastry dough, wrapped around Lil Smokey’s, the finest, in the game. A little sesame seeds on top, ketchup and honey mustard for dipping. And then we have the xiao long bao. Beautiful steamed pork dumplings with your ginger, your black vinegar, a little bit of chili crisp. What a start. A tale of two dishes. I’m addicted to the frozen pigs in the blanket that like whenever I have like a surprise birthday or something where I don’t, I’m not like aware of like what’s happening. People get me like a tower of pigs in the blanket. Cause I– To this day? To this day. Oh, that’s incredible. Yeah, I love pigs in a blanket so much. It’s, I don’t know why they’re addictive. I think it’s because I grew up in a household where it’s like, everything was like, cooked so fresh and like, you know, everything’s so great. And then these are like, my naughty little like, I just like, mmm, I just love them. Uh, that’s incredible. Please grab, grab a pig in a blanket. They’re not like that fancy. Like, we kind of just put a little bit of egg wash and some sesame on it. No, no. These are amazing. There’s nothing better than this. I will eat like a whole thing. Mm hmm. It’s something that you’re a chef’s kid, because I know so many chefs that they’ll get off a 10 hour service working line and then go immediately to the Taco Bell drive thru. You gotta, my mom never, I mean, my mom worked at a restaurant for most of my childhood, and, um, so I barely saw her. She went to culinary school when I was four. Wow. So my grandma took care of me. And so, you know, we both, we all lived in the apartment in New York, and then my mom would go to school and then work at a Jean George restaurant as an intern. And she would be like peeling like, you know, onions all day. And then she’d come home and she’s like, I don’t wanna cook. But what’s great is that she always did, she always made something, even if it was like, and she, my mom always like really loved making me food that was like very nutrient like rich. Even if it wasn’t like, typically like what, you know, an American would eat. So like, she would always make me chicken hearts and like liver and like a lot of, just a lot of that. So the pigs in the blanket were like, me being like, I can’t take it. No more chicken hearts, mom! I think these are nutrient dense too, I don’t know. These are nutrient dense to me, in my heart. Uh, tell me about the soup dumplings. When I was like, really young, I fell in love with, um, with the soup dumpling. I used to go to Joe’s Shanghai, and like, you know, just classic little like, New York thing. And we would, I would go, and it was just It’s amazing. And I, I’ve yet to find, like, a place in LA that I really connect with with soup dumplings, and we’re waiting. We have, okay, so these are from Din Tai Fung, which is a chain. I love Din Tai Fung, I do love Din Tai Fung. Uh, grab, grab a soup dumpling. Not to rush you through, we can go back to the pigs in a blanket, but these are getting cold. You’re right. There is a perfect Goldilocks temperature, because I have scalded the hell out of them. I have too. Uh huh. And some of them will get real big, you know. I’m gonna put some of this black vinegar on. I love like a DIY food, where you have to prepare each bite with something. Like a Korean barbecue, or like a hot pot. I like, will go crazy. Just a little tinker. You have a new movie out called Bob Trevino Likes It. Yes I do! You are utterly freaking fantastic. I was telling you this earlier, but like I was like rewinding scenes to watch them. One of the main things that stuck out is it’s some of the best crying scenes I’ve ever seen in a movie. We’re not talking about like getting one real tear to be shed. We’re talking like utter emotional devastation in such a beautiful way. How much of that is acting skill versus how much is you just drawing from the emotional source material? As I grow as an actor, I I’m realizing that really what the craft is, is, um, having, is connecting your own emotions to your performance in a way that is so natural and real. And so that, I feel like that’s, with Bob Trevino, I didn’t struggle finding the realness of it at any moment. So it really came to me, like, I didn’t have to think about it, I didn’t have to prepare for it. You know, obviously I knew my lines, and like, knew what I was, I’m producing it, so hopefully I know about the movie. But you know, I didn’t have to, um, really, uh, stress over it, because I did so many, I had so many conversations with Tracy Lehman, who’s a director and writer, and it’s based off her life. I was surprised that I, it didn’t take a lot of forcing it. It was very natural throughout the movie. So I think that’s what you, it was just, you know, there’s certain scenes that just me reading it would make me sob. And I think like, when you connect with the text that much, like the writing, when writing is so good, then you, it’s almost like it makes your, job so easy and you know it and I mean it was such a team effort for that So I’m really happy that I got the space to do it was very indie, so, you know sometimes you get that when I’m really emotional, you know, we get John Rosario who’s a DP, he was like literally like go you have to catch it and like, you know, it’s, it was it was a wonderful experience But I, thank you so much. That means a lot. You mentioned it the movie was based on Tracy layman’s experiences in her own world But it seems like you have a lot to connect with your own character. Like the movie is really about like a, an unapologetically neglectful father in a lot of ways. I know your dad bounced when you were like seven years old, did you like connect through a lot of real life experiences there? It untangled so much more than that for me, you know, it untangled, um, just how I treat myself how I grew up feeling about and and how that translates when you’re an adult, you know um, it almost felt like a therapy session for me too where I got to really um really like see what my emotions were like it felt like I didn’t have to make a decision about what the character was feeling It just felt like it was there, you know, which was really cool. Speaking of it being like a big therapy session One of my favorite scenes is when you go to a therapist for the first time because it’s like such a beautiful microcosm of everything when your comedic timing in it is great, it’s ironic because your comedic timing is coming while you’re detailing most horrific tragedies in your life to this therapist but you see your character, Lily, like, trying to protect her therapist’s emotions at some point instead of her own. Do you identify with that? Like, it was almost like she was making her sadness smaller to protect the comfort of another person. Absolutely. And I think that that’s what was really tragic about Lily. I think for me, you know, it’s like, uh, I also do this thing where, you know, when really sad things happen, you kind of just joke it off. There’s only one way to go but to laugh, right? feel like all the saddest, um, projects need to have some levity in it to make it real because it just feels like that’s what I do and like, but you know, people around me, um, how we make sense of it is by laughing through it and crying and laughing and making jokes about it. So, I mean, that, that, that’s what I try to, try to do. Yeah. No, it like didn’t give into cliches in a lot of ways because you expect something if it’s tragic to just be tragic, but it felt like so very human in a lot of ways. One of my favorite cliches that it didn’t give into is just this cliche of forgiveness, right? Yeah. Not the giveaway the go to the whole damn movie, um, but it didn’t go into the cliche of forgiveness with your father. It kind of like leaned into this idea of finding that chosen family over this, you know, need to kind of like keep something in your life. Well, I think that’s what was really important when me and Tracy were talking, tt was really important that I think, you know, there’s this fairy tale that like everything’s gonna, everything’s gonna happen. Everything’s gonna be, you know, it’s gonna be wrapped up in a little bow but that’s not the reality and I think punishes the person the victim of whatever kind of um abuse it is to make it their job to forgive without any kind of effort now if like there was, there was a mutual effort, there was something where, you know, there, there, the relationship could grow, that’s different, but that’s not how it works a lot of the time, I mean, that’s like not real life, real life is, maybe you don’t get along with your parents, and, and, maybe there is no solve to it, and it’s okay, because you’re still, you’re still like, you can still be loved, you can still have a family, you can still have, like, all these, like, a full life, I mean, that, that’s like a universal thing, I think it can apply to so many different things, where it’s like, sometimes you just can’t change someone’s mind, and that’s okay. We’ve seen like so many different Barbie Ferrera eras going from, you know, modeling to acting in things like Euphoria. And then this being your first, like, full starring role in a feature, it felt like we were seeing, like, capital A, star actor Barbie Ferrera smash through the screen. And I’m not just buttering your bread over here for no reason, like, I’m dead serious. Did this feel like a big evolution for you or just kind of like the next logical step in your career? I think I just I learned so much more with everything that I do whether it be doing a small budget movie, a high budget like, you know, or doing broadway or whatever I feel like I’m just unlocking these different parts of my craft that are really useful and it’s been, Barbara taught me a lot about myself as an actor a lot and like it was, you know, it was a summer in Kentucky, baby. Stop the show! Before we move on to the next course, I want to make sure you know about our special livestream event happening April 3rd, Survive the Mythical Kitchen! There’s gonna be chaos, there’s gonna be competition, there’s going to be a grand prize that the Mythical Kitcheners really desperately want to win. We’ve been designing all new challenges for this and there is even a last meals element that you’re not gonna want to miss. Get your tickets now at mythicalkitchenlive. com. Barbie, for the second course of your final meal on Earth, we have the koshinya. Made with some braised chicken thigh and drumstick, then reformed, packed around a dough, fried, of course this is filled with catupiry cheese, a type of requeijão, for the people out there who know. Then we got the pernil with the rice and beans, and the passion fruit juice. The name for passion fruit in Portuguese is Maracujá. Maracujá. Yes! Maracujá. Oh, this looks gorgeous. Wow. Tell me about the coxinhas. Coxinha, okay, this is like a Brazilian sacaginho. This is, I had one last night. Um, these are incredible. I mean, I, I don’t even know what to say. They’re perfect. Catupiri is pretty hard to find one with it. Like, unless you’re in a Brazilian area. You can take this home. That’s our gift to you. Take it to the grave. Be buried like a pharaoh with the catupiri cheese. This is amazing! I like dream of this. Oh my god, thank you so much. That’s honestly, that means a lot, cause I, wow. Catupiry is so yummy in a coxinha, and not all coxinhas have it, but that’s my favorite. And I think they were my favorite, like, out of all the, like, salgadinhos, like, if there’s like a pastel, or anything, coxinha’s my favorite. Wait, you used a word, but you said it really fast. Salgadinhos. It’s like little salty stuff. It’s like a direct– Oh, like a fried kind of bar snacky– It’s like the pastelzinhos, like the little, like, Brazilian empanadas, or like, there’s a little, like, um. They make, like, a bolinho de bacalhau, they can make a little tiny, like, fish thing. It’s just, like, things that you, like, pick on. It’s so funny, I feel like– eat, nosh, bubbla, eat, eat, eat. Um, but I feel like Brazilian food is like very underrepresented in LA specifically. It is. But Culver City, there’s Brazilians there. Hell yeah. That is, oh my god, oh my god. It’s so hot. Wow. What’s the Brazilian dance? Samba. Samba? I’m here. I’m here for Barbie. This is, this is wonderful. Whoever made this. Uh, tell me about the pernil. Okay, so I lived in New York for, um, much of my life. And I love Dominican food. I love Dominican food. I used to hang out in Washington Heights all the time, and I would get like, cachapas, and like, oh my god. So this, right here, is like, so perfect because again, there’s not a lot of Brazilian food so this is like similar but very different and it’s still like kind of scratches that itch of like, like mom’s food and it’s just like so yeah, I mean, I love it when the pernil is like extra crispy and yummies, it’s just everything. I just love a giant plate of like wet pork and beans. That’s exactly what I want! Yep. Oh yeah, oh yeah. I love like how much of a big city kid you are in terms of your taste, too like you’re talking about Joe Shanghai, talking about going to the local Dominican spot, like it seems like you really thrive off of that like big city diverse energy. Like I would go every week with my mom to a different cuisines restaurant. Like that was like our thing, it’s like how we bond to this day. It’s how we bond, my mom wants to travel just to like eat the foods. And so it’s for me. It’s just like food from all over the world is my, it’s, it’s interesting because my mom, like, you would think that I would make like a lot of like Brazilian food, but I actually cook a lot of like Korean food, which is like very, so it’s like, you know, I grew up with, my mom made a lot of like Brazilian food, Mediterranean food, you know, all that stuff. And I make a lot of like Korean food. Sometimes I’ll make a little Japanese vibe, but you know, it’s just like, it’s what speaks to me. I just like a lot, a lot, I like a lot of flavor. You played a chef in House of Spoils. Yes, I did. A sous chef with Ariana DeBose. Did your mom teach you any knife skills to prepare for that? Or did you just, flying solo because you did chop the carrot and you look pretty fluent with it. Listen, my whole my mom again worked in a kitchen You know, and then she was, became a private chef. She didn’t, my mom, bless her heart, has so many things but patience is not one of her, you know, her, her virtues so I don’t think she was a very good teacher about it but I watched her make food so much and I would be like her little taste her little taster cuz I was very honest, so the foundation of it was there and then I did kitchen training in LA and then I did some I did a lot in Hungary too, so that’s when I really learned like oh god I you know, like the machines that like make the pea into like, you know into an olive, the olive oil. And then where’s the pea go in the kitchen? The pea, the, the vegetable pea, uh, you know, you know, it’s like, it makes it into like a jello, like, I don’t know. I was doing like weird, like high, like really high tech. Yeah, yeah. Like culinary stuff. And I was like, I have no idea what this means. And I was like, plating. And so I learned a lot about just like chopping and I was put to work to chop shallots. Um. Uh, Yangban, and I was like. You’ve trained at Yangban? Yeah. Korean food makes sense. I love Korean food. And they just like, randomly told me to go there, and I was like, I love this. Um, and so I was like, you know, chopping, and all that fun stuff. I learned a lot. It was so fun, and I love to cook. I love to cook. It’s like jazz. You’re kind of, you’re kind of there, suddenly you start hearing the music in the pans. Yeah, that’s why I don’t like baking, cause I don’t, I go too, baking? I don’t know what happens, it’s like, I just like love to, I love to like add things that shouldn’t be there, so maybe it’s, that’s the problem. I have a general distrust of authority, and so I don’t trust recipes, and so baking, yeah, it’s pretty bad for me. Um, I general cultural differences between being raised in like a very Brazilian household with your mom and grandma. You described yourself as sort of growing up with, like, a mom, a grandma, and aunts, and a bunch of Brazilian lesbians. Yes. Um, I think, like, especially white American, Protestant American culture tends to be, like, very puritanical, uh, and focused on, like, I don’t know, a kind of shame in a way. Were there any, like, major Cultural differences between a Brazilian upbringing and American upbringing, especially as you started to model. I grew up in a way where it was all women and they’re very loud, very funny and very messy and the best way possible. And they’re all like, you know, really creative. And so I grew up with like such high energy women who, you know, are imperfectly perfect. And I really learned, I think a lot of my confidence in like who I am and like in a room, you know from them I think that was the major thing. I think America and I obviously I grew up in America So I I first off was in like a Brazilian neighborhood So a lot of my friends were like in Astoria a lot of my friends were like Brazilian too so it was like some similarities, you know, the school had some Brazilian kids and I would go to like a Brazilian church a Brazilian like salon a Brazilian like everything, she has got EIA everything but then when I moved out of that I realized like how moving away from like an immigrant neighborhood and then going somewhere that’s like very American was like so crazy. You ended up in like suburban New Jersey, right? Yeah, yeah. Working at the uh, American Apparel and Garden State Plaza! I just went there the other day to see Wicked. How do you think that affected your upbringing, especially as you started to model and like dealing with a lot of uh, I don’t know craziness online a lot of people, you know, judging your body I remember like the um, the Aerie real campaign when I think you would have been like 19, I remember seeing the pictures going like, oh cool. It looks sick. And then seeing just a firestorm of people commenting the craziest things in the world, was your mom able to like help you deal with a lot of that? You know? She did because she, my mom, like, is such a supportive person with me, like, but this is so out of her wheelhouse, you know what I mean? She was like, uh, then don’t do it. And I’m like, you know, I can’t just not do it. You know, the people who love me the most don’t really know what to say most of the time. Also, Brazilian media is so much more sexually and, like, just, like, liberally, like, about, like, bodies and how people look. Brazilians don’t really see, like, me wearing a string bikini as something so crazy. Yeah. So I think my mom was kind of like shocked. She was just like, well, it’s not what everyone does I want to talk about the the other side of that that if you’re a straight size model, you don’t have to answer for all straight size models. If you’re a plus size model It seems like you end up having this sort of torch in your hand of everybody asking you what it’s like, what is it? What’s it like to lead the body? Asking like a 19 year old, asking a 19 year old me like things like that. I mean how much did that pressure weigh on you to sort of I don’t know have to be this flag bearer when it, it seems like something you didn’t ask for. It was something I didn’t ask for. So, it was interesting. I feel like it was, um, speaking my truth. And like, what I still, like, you know, everything I’ve ever said, like, about it, and like, about my modeling career and what that entails, is like, it’s 100 percent true, even if I was like 19 and, you know, was like not developed in any way. But I think that what was interesting to me was that people put this, like, label on me as someone who, like, has to speak for other people and I was like I’m I’m a 19 year old model. Like I’m not like an expert on anything, like I literally just like model like shoes. No, you have a master’s in ethics. Can you exactly discuss? Yeah, yeah ethics wellness, um, uh psychology I mean what you name it, you know, and I had such great conversations with people and it was really I mean, I I like That like I was able to speak my mind and have these like really great conversations. It’s just it’s a shame that It’s always spiraled into something else where it’s like, then I’m like a kid who like has to represent, you know, all these people when it’s, that’s not really what I was there for. I was there to sell shoes and to be funny sometimes. How have your reactions to that, over your career, change, like, um, negative comments online, reading about yourself. Have you eventually sort of gotten numb to it, or like, does that stuff still hit hard? I’m not numb to it, but I don’t look for it. Yeah. Can’t look for it. That’s a big thing. Did you used to sort of scroll until you found the exact thing that verified the past? It depends on my mood, you know? And, uh, I think it also changes when I was an actor, which is like a completely different ballgame, you know? Like, I existed as a model in, like, the fashion world and on the internet. And then, I was more like, um, I used the internet more. I think when I was a model. I was younger. So I was like, you know, like I used it more. I was like, I put more, more importance on it. And as I get older, I just can’t do that anymore. So I just kind of like have to log off and like go knitting and stuff. The 2010s Tumblr seems like the scariest place in the world. I don’t know anything about it. I wasn’t there. Oh, it’s coming back though. I’m like, it’s, it’s too early to come back. Tumblr people, I’m so sorry. You gotta wait about five, ten years. Five, ten years to bring back Tumblr. Like, we, uh, this is making me feel old. Barbie for course number three. This is the main attraction. This is the Sundubu Jjigae. Silken tofu soup. Tons of spice. Beef, fresh cracked egg on it. In the stone bowl. Then we have the rice to go alongside. And of course, all of the banchan. Now we have, uh, Uh, soy braised sweet black beans. We have the fish cake with the peppers. We have the gim, that’s the seaweed. We have radish kimchi. We have cabbage kimchi. We have the sesame oil. What are these called? Bean sprouts. I’m out of breath talking about all the koshinyas. Um, this is beautiful. This is gorgeous. This is, this is my true, like. This is the, the meal I could have every day. Yeah, and you said you actually cook this at home. I have made it from like, I made an anchovy broth from like dried anchovies. I did the whole thing. I went to H Mart. I did it. That’s so sick. Uh, please, dig in. First of all, I’m gonna get some of that kimchi. I used to go to the Beverly Tofu House, which closed down, but it– Beverly Soon Tofu. Yeah. They were awesome. Ugh. R. I. P. I love when you describe the way your mom cooked for you as, like, being nutrient dense. Yeah. Cause something just feels like it, like, hugs you from the inside. Like, something about this, where you’re like, they’ve extracted all the love. It’s love! And it’s in here. Even though my mom is not Korean, she’s Brazilian, there’s something about it that’s so homemade that I like. I like, I taste the homemade, like, taste in every cuisine. Which I don’t even know what that is, because I don’t know, but I, that’s why I made it myself! I was like, I wanna try it and see what I, what could happen if I, you know, I made this from my heart. Um, you were on a show called Euphoria. Sure was. Uh, you played Kat Hernandez. A lot of people know you from that. Kat, like, finds her sense of confidence, uh, online. Or if you could call it confidence. I know you mentioned Tumblr, you spent a lot of time online. Would you say that, like, that was ultimately, uh, let’s say good for your self esteem and development? Or bad for your self esteem? Or is it too facile a way to look at that in terms of good and bad? I wouldn’t be here. Without it, right? I think it gave me the confidence. I’ve always wanted to be an actress my whole life, dramatically and unfortunately, I’ve all like, you know, I was like four. I was like, I want to be on you know TV and Sorry, you succeeded. I know I think at the point that I am in my life I’ve learned so much from getting a little taste of being in the public in that way and it really like I really found my confidence in my people through tumblr I felt like I met people who are creative and like weirdos and freaky like me, they were just like, you know, I was like such a weirdo kid. Like I like, you know, just had very particular hairstyles and like fashion choices. And I wanted to be kind of, I wanted to find like minded individuals and I did. And I met a lot of my friends. Friends that I still know from, like, today, from, like, Tumblr, you know, like, I met, like, Petra Collins, who’s, like, a great collaborator of mine, she’s, like, an amazing artist, photographer, I mean, like, still shoot to this day, you know, and, it’s just, like, you meet so many cool people, and I, it really started, like, my, my creative and artistic life was going on the internet, cause I just felt like, I was in New Jersey at the time, and, um, and I just felt like I just couldn’t connect with anyone in my grade, in my school, like, I just wasn’t, like, I, I would, like, you know, sneak out and go to New York, and go to, like, art galleries, and, you know, not drink. The free wine. Euphoria, I think, scared a lot of people. A lot of old people, which I think you had to answer for on press tours a lot. From older journalists just going like, What the hell’s going on with all the sex? Why are you doing this? Do you think it did get anything like very right about Gen Z that older people could like actually use as a lens? I think there’s like these things that teens all, of any generation, which is like this like figuring out by doing things badly and learning or not, you know, so I think with Euphoria it’s it’s a very dark take on it. And I think it’s true I mean, it’s it’s it there’s obviously parts of it that I think are not necessarily universal for all high school students I know plenty of high school students who are not doing hard drugs all the time. Well, I think there are actually a lot of statistics out there that would indicate that like Gen Z and younger now, are like, doing less drugs, having less sex than any generation before that. Like, are we just now seeing that same kind of like, fear mongering that any older person has when they get older? That, oh, the kids aren’t alright. Like, do you think any of that was reflected through Euphoria? Well, I still just think people were like, this is exactly what happens in every single high school. And my kids are all doing this. You know, and it’s a show. It’s a fictional show. I think there’s truth to it in its emotional aspects and kind of the feeling. Wanting to belong or to grow up too fast and all that stuff. But I mean, it’s obviously embellished and also like the fictional high school of Euphoria High is like, you know, when are they in school? When are they in class? You know, it’s obviously they’re not in class. So it’s a significant lack of social studies representation. Lots. There’s almost none. I want to see more book reports. More book, none, you know, and we’re all wearing our tiny little, you know, bag with our binder in it, you know. With our little textbook in it, you know. So, I mean, I think it’s, it’s a, I think what actually is really, um, representative of this generation is the aesthetic of it, and the way that it’s shot, and the way that, you know, um, I just think there’s like a lot of it that is real, and there’s a lot of it that is a little bit exaggerated, or put all into one, you know, jam packed show, which might have like little, you know, pieces of truths in, you know, different places, but not all at once. So it may be that. Talking about the aesthetic of Euphoria, I think a lot of that kind of came from Petra Collins in a certain way. I don’t know if this is a controversial thing, but she had a piece, uh, and I think 2016 that like, it’s almost a shot for shot of the euphoria poster. Um, and it’s of people crying. Was you crying like kind of one of Petra Collins’s muses in a certain way? I think I’d heard you talk about you being shot crying by her a lot. Oh my god, oh my god all the time. There was one Art Basel that she,she literally was like Do you have any photo booth pictures of you crying? like, uh, yeah I have like 600 and I sent her a whole and then she made blankets and there was like. Like active, like a blanket that you could actually wear. Yeah, and there was a picture of me on the blanket, she hung it up. There was Barbie Ferreira crying blankets out there? Yeah, someone bought it at Basel, like a performance art, you know, in front. Whereas, I forgot who it was, but she was like on a bed, just like, like Skyping someone. So, I mean, Petra and I, I mean, I’ve been shot by her crying my entire teens. Yeah, yeah. You know, so it’s, it’s cool because she, she’s a big reason why I, you know, to this day, I like, you know, whenever I need to do a shoot or something, I’m like, I need Petra. I love her. I think she’s so talented. And yeah, I was definitely, especially when I was a kid, we did a lot of crying. Was part of that leaning into the discomfort? Because like, Euphoria, obviously very uncomfortable show for a lot of reasons in a great way. I’d love to seek discomfort in art in a lot of ways. And even in Bob Trevino likes it like a lot of your performance is uncomfortable in a lot of ways that, like, challenges your own expectations. Like, is that a feeling that you actively seek to create? Making people, um, uncomfortable is what art is about. It’s about making people think. It’s about making people, like, even, there’s lots of films that I watch that I’m like, were so uncomfortable to watch and I’m like, I hated this. Every day for the next like two months. I mention it every day, you know, it’s like something that sticks with you is so important and so I mean I’m to this right now i’m like still like what is like, what is it my, you know, obsession with like being so uncomfortable watching something and then like having it just haunt me And so I, I mean, I hope one day I can you know that when I look back on my career. I hope that there are, you know, there, there’s pieces of that in there, and that’s really important to me as an actor, because I really, there’s a lot of ways to go about it, and I have to always remember just like, as truthful, and as unflinching, and as um, powerful as one can be, while also, you know, keeping it restrained. Sure. Yeah. Uh, you have another project coming out that is made me maybe the most uncomfortable I’ve ever been in my life because I watched the original of it. And I think I was like 11 years old because that’s what you did. You just pirated weird stuff on the internet. And you’re remaking Faces of Death. Yeah! Um, holy smokes, that is a hell of a project. I mean, I shot it two years ago. Um, hopefully it comes out soon. Um, it was wow. The story incorporates Faces of Death. It’s like we live in a universe, like, like ours right now, where it exists. Um, and it was so cool. It was amazing. I don’t want to ruin anything, cause it’s like, I feel like all my favorite parts are like things that will ruin it, but it was, it’s extremely dark, it’s disgusting in the best ways, and, um, Dacre, who plays, uh, one of the characters, he’s fantastic at it. I mean, everyone was like It’s a, it’s a, it’s a spooky one. I can’t wait to watch it physically through, uh, my fingers over my eyes. Yeah, that’s what my mom says, you know, she’s like, I, she’s like this. Yeah, my mom hates horror movies and she watches everything I’m in because she’s a supportive mom and she just is like, no, no more, no more of these. I probably did that with House of Spoils. Oh, really? Cooking movie, what a fun movie about a restaurant. Fun movie about a restaurant. Now I have nightmares about it. Yeah, I’m sorry. Oh, so you don’t, you’re not big horror. I hate it. Can’t, like, can’t physically do it. Do you like true crime? I think there’s a, a reason why a majority of true crime consumers are women. Yes. You know, cause there’s that kind of like Could be thinking about it all day. Yeah, exactly, exactly. I’ve had no bother with get kidnapped. My entire life, I’m just like, walking around just like You’re like totally fine, yeah. That guy couldn’t lift me, I’d get him in an ankle lock. Yeah, no. It’s so true, cause women, we do just think like, Okay, we’re in the par I’m in the parking lot by myself. I’m gonna have my key like this, you know, just in case. The killer is around. The killer. You know, so, yeah, totally. Barbie, for the final course of your final meal, what more can be said about the pavlova? Now this is an egg white and sugar meringue that has been par baked, layered with cream, should be crackling on the outside, nice and creamy and chewy on the inside, and then just all of the fruits, some berries, lemon zest. A little bit of edible marigold flowers on there. Do you want to do the honor of it? It’s already like a little crack, but do you want to slice it yourself? I’m scared to mess it up. Are you sure you can do it? Please do. I know you’re scared. I’m scared. It’s so beautiful. You held the dog and you cried and I know you’re scared of messing. I’m scared of messing up. Wow. Okay, fine. You know what? Or your death actually is a big moment. Okay. Do I just kind of crack it? Yeah. I might have to serve you first cuz I’m, I’m, I’m very Oh, thank you so much. Liche. Okay, wow. Ugh, I haven’t had one in so long and it, when I was in Hungary and I was shooting House of Spoils, which is very fitting for, you know, last meals, it’s, this was what I, when I got home from a shoot day, ugh, downstairs. Unbelievable. Mmm. Mmm! You said that. When you started your modeling career, it felt like a rebirth, which is interesting because it implies the death of something previous. I’m curious, like, how much of that pre modeling Barbie, that, like, younger, lonely, probably scared kid, still exists inside you? Oh my god, all the time. I think that that’s, like, the beauty of it, that you have to really tend to that kid. You know, I 16, so, like, what rebirth, like, you know, what really went down, you know? But it was, like, it felt like the start of something where I Could have like an armor of like I’m not just this kind of shy Weird kid like I’m gonna be I’m gonna chase my dreams and be in no matter what Every time you enter that new chapter Do you sort of like ever properly grieve the chapter that was left behind in a certain way? I think when I was younger no, but I think now I definitely do I definitely grieve um and my grieve I think I just celebrate it. I think it’s okay to like You know, time flies. I’m getting older. You mentioned grief as more of like a celebration. That also comes up in Bob Trevino Likes It with the scrapbooking. It’s like this kind of very active physical celebration. When you grieve people in your own life, is there a way that you choose to celebrate them? Grieving what once was is definitely something that I’ve had. Like, a lot of, like, I’ve had to like, really, like, kind of, um, ponder, and, and, and, you know, and people that are no longer serving me, and the people who passed away, that one is like, brand new for me, which is, I still don’t really know, you know, seeing people that you love, like, either passing away or deteriorating in front of you is like something that I, you know, it’s, it’s hard, I think that with, with life, it’s just, I, I truly believe that time, um, Just heals all wounds. I know that’s so lame, but it’s so true. Did you just make that up? Time heals all wounds? That’s incredible. Time heals all wounds, Bobby Ferreira. Beautiful. Yeah, that was me. I know you had a co star from Euphoria, Angus Cloud, passed away. Um, how did you deal with his death? Were you able to kind of come together as family at that point? Yeah, I was actually in Kentucky shooting Bob Trivino likes it. Oh, really? And, um, yeah. It was like, um, the worst day ever. Nope. I I, um, yeah, he’s so special. I love him so much. And it’s just really sad. But, um, yeah, it’s, it’s weird to like have someone that you worked with and that you love and they’re just not there anymore. And I think that that’s like so simple, but I think I haven’t had a lot of, um, Thankfully, I, you know, I haven’t had a lot of death in my life in general and so going through that and going through that with the girls and, and, and, you know, it was a particular situation that was just so heartbreaking and it’s still, um. It’s still like, you know, I think I still processed it completely. I think that that’s what I hear a lot of people say about grief is like, you don’t, there’s like levels to the process of it. It’s like, oh, well, he’s not here this year or, you know, or, oh wait, like, I can’t just call him, you know? And I think that’s like what I’ve been really learning is that, but, um, he’s so lovely. Yeah. And he was such like a beautiful story from that show and how he was cast and I think so many people like found themselves in him in certain ways. Oh, yeah, he was very silly I love him so much. Oh gosh, I love Angus. But um, yeah, it was really I don’t think that that was something that I would have ever thought would happen. I mean, that’s the thing I think that was so surprising is like, um, you know, and it was really beautiful cause we all like called each other and we were all in different places. And yeah, I was in Louisville. There’s people like London, LA and like, it was just, um, yeah, we all came together and it just felt surreal. But yeah. It’s funny when you were talking earlier about you develop these very strong bonds with people on shows and then people leave and you sort of end up like not seeing them as much anymore, but still having those very intense reactions. It’s really cool to hear that you all sort of like called each other. Oh, yeah. No, we still I yeah, I just saw Sydney and Maude, they came to see my play in New York, it was, you know, I,I love the girls so it’s fun. It’s like a lifelong family that you have. Um, talking about your own fear of death earlier, having been thinking about it for a long time. Is there anything that like, calms down that fear of death? To be honest, I don’t really have that much fear of death. I think of fear of other people dying. I think that is like– You’re fine if you go. Yeah. Well, how am I supposed to know, you know? That’s their point. Yeah. So I think about, like, I have a lot of animals, and, like, so, for me, and, you know, my loved ones and my family and stuff, I, I have to, like, physically stop myself from thinking that way because I just think it’s, like, an anxiety thing. Like, it’s just, like, I, I always say this to myself, I’m, like, I don’t want to waste my emotions on something twice, because it’s like, if I’m going to, you know, cry about my cat turning nine, you know, for example, and because he’s getting older, it’s like, when he actually does pass, which he never will, um, which he never will, um, I have just felt that pain, you know, multiple times when I could just save it for the real one. I think that, that to me is, I don’t know if that makes any sense, but it makes me like not aspire about anything. I’m like, if it didn’t happen yet, I am not going to have the same emotions that I will have when it happens, you know? Cause I don’t, it just feels like it’s like, um, you’re putting yourself through something for no reason. Yeah, no, that makes so much sense. Also, that makes way more sense than time heals all wounds. That’s like, time doesn’t heal all wounds. No, some wounds are absolutely timeless. This makes a lot of sense. There’s a lot of quotes that I’m, I’m spewing here. You ready to get to the lightning rounds? Yes, okay. Let’s do it. Who’s the one person dead or alive you’d want to share your actual last meal with? Ooh, Lana Del Rey. Oh, hell yeah. What song do you want to be played at your funeral? Ooh, um, um, probably like Tim Maia, um, uh, Bom Senso. Is that Portuguese? Yeah, it’s a Brazilian song. Wow, that’s like my favorite. F Mary Kill, Tumblr, Instagram, TikTok? I would F, uh, uh, Tumblr. I would kill. Do it, you know you want to. Maybe Instagram, honestly. Save TikTok. Because the thing is with TikTok is that, like, I, I, I’m just thrown for a loop every time I’m there. You know what I mean? Like, I just learned about, like, the Great Lakes and stuff. It’s crazy. What’s your favorite Great Lake? I don’t know them. This is a metaphor for TikTok. Yeah, exactly. I didn’t really pay attention. Uh, who’s your dream eulogizer at your funeral? Okay, this is like, not my family and not my friends, we’re gonna talk like, separate. Um, probably like, uh, Larry David. Ah, that’d be so good. Yeah. That would be so good, just complain about everything. Yeah, that’d be great. Uh, can you coach me through how to pose for a photo in 30 seconds or less? Time starts now. What’s your good side? What? What’s your good side? This side. Okay then. You just gotta, well I don’t know because I do a little pout. Wait, how does the pout go? If you, because we have like 14 seconds But like, I see what you’re doing, but how do I do that? Um, well, don’t, don’t do that. Don’t do that. Don’t do that. Perfect. No, you’re fine, you’re fine. Just, just look. Relax your lips. That’s not relaxing, baby. I’m trying my best, Barbie. Oh, okay. Okay, we’re getting somewhere. Okay. You guys look a little surprised. You know what I mean? Taylor, it was you laughing. I really like looking a little surprised at my pictures. I realize, you know, kind of like a dough, like a, you know, Oh, what’s that? A camera for us. Worried a little worried. Oh yeah. No, don’t. But okay. Um, what’s your biggest fear? Um, oh, you know, my biggest fear is, um, the abyss nothingness. Like the metaphorical abyss, just like the metaphorical abyss. Um, uh, there’s no middle end or anything beginning. It’s nothing. There’s just abyss, nothing. Like, that’s why dark water scares me when I don’t see anything like, like a black hole. Mm-hmm. In its most literal and, and figurative way infinity. And I just, yeah. I can’t. What’s one thing you added to your acting tool belt working with Jordan Peele on Nope? Oh my god, um, well I mean it was a very lengthy role, so a lot of things that I picked up on it. Um, what did I, to like really get it together and stop being so nervous, like I was like, I have to like really just get it together and not be nervous. So I guess like, That was part of it. Cause I was so nervous. I’d argue that’s like the most important thing to have in your tool belt. Well, no, no. I actually think that yes, it is because nerves are, as an actor can be your, if you don’t know how to harness it, it can be your worst enemy, the worst enemy. So I was really nervous that day and thankfully didn’t have much to do. So that is the kind of perfect scenario. I think that when you go in and you have like a couple of lines, it’s way more pressure than if you’re like, have. Like if you’re like in most, because you don’t know, like you know, Jordan’s incredible. And also I’m a huge fan and like I was there and I was like, I don’t know everyone. Everyone’s so amazing. And then I only have like two lines. What if I can’t say it? You know? So that’s my thing. What’s your greatest regret in life? I regret being so hard on myself. Uh, boo, lame, real, bleh. You’re literally being hard on yourself right now without regretting being hard on yourself. Yeah, exactly. Barbie reversed the curse. Okay, you’re right, I’m being hard on myself and I did excellent in this interview. Hell yes, you did. Finally, Barbie, are you happy? I’m very happy. You seem very happy. Oh, You can take the peblo home. I will! Barbie, if you want to stare at that camera right there and deliver your final words on this earth. I have tried my best. I hope it’s enough. I was trying to look surprised at the camera. Well, I was sentimental. This is me, I throw in a joke and then I throw in a little, you know. Yeah, you know, it’s, you’re, you’re seasoning the pot. It’s like Bob Trevino likes it. In theaters March 21st. March 21st. I know, but it actually is like Bob Trevino likes it. Like, you do. It seems like so much of yourself. Comedy, tragedy, drama, it’s beautiful, it’s sweet. You are beautiful, sweet. And full of tragedy and drama. Oh man, thank you, that’s the most wonderful compliment. Thank you. Barbie, I can’t thank you enough, and I can’t thank you guys enough. 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