I would bring a poor person’s lunch to school. I remember, you know, just bringing like, just like a single slice of ham on like, bread heels, you know, and like nothing else to school for lunch. You still eat that. Josh still, the amount of time Josh comes through the kitchen, he’s like, “We got any lunch meat?” Welcome to “Trevor Talks Too Much”, the show where I bring on a guest and I talk to them and I can see if we can become friends and get closer emotionally, physically. No, not really. I’m your host, Trevor Evrarts, master baker, mythical soft boy, and proud owner of a LEGO Death Star set. It’s pretty freaking cool. It’s the Death Star, but LEGO version. Today, I spoke with a good friend of mine, actually, already. You may know him. You may love him. You may hate him. Mythical Chef freaking Josh, what a great guy. We’re already friends technically, but I wanted to have him on the show ’cause you know, I just thought it’d be a fun time. And you know, we got a little bit deeper into our friendship, you know, we’re friends already. He’s also my boss, which is a fun dynamic. But yeah, you know, we just got into it about all sorts of stuff. We had some great conversation. Speaking of Mythical Chef Josh, one of my favorite stories of Mythical Chef Josh, actually it’s about his brother. His brother roasted the crap outta me. Jon. Really? Yeah. So this was honestly one of the most insane, like, backhanded roasts I’ve ever, backhanded compliment, backhanded roast. It was weird, but I was at, it was the Super Bowl of 2021? So last year. No. 2022? No, not 2022. That was this year. No, this, no, 2020? Was it 2020? I think it was. I went over to Jon’s house. Josh invited me to go see, to go watch the Super Bowl at his house. And while we were there, Jon, I was just like making small talk with Josh’s brother Jon and he like asked me if I was dating. It would’ve been 2020 ’cause it was before I was dating Destiny. So he asked me like how the dating, like, or if I was dating anyone, if I had a girlfriend and I was like, “Nah,” I was like, “The dating scene in LA, it’s just like, tough. I don’t know. It’s hard, it’s weird.” ‘Cause it was, and he looks me in the eye. He looks me in the eye, in my Christian eyes, and he says, “It must be hard going from an Idaho 10 to an LA six.” And I was like, “Wow.” I’ve never been roasted that hard in my life. And I was like, I mean, he called me in Idaho 10, but I was like, wow, that was, it was just crazy. I’ve never forgotten that moment. Wow. That’s like a, and I feel like there is a like, ’cause everyone says that, “Oh, well, what you are in a different state, when you come to LA, it’s very different.” But like, that’s mean. That was harsh. And I was like, “Dang.” But Jon’s a great dude. He’s a good guy. You know, that’s all fun. Yeah. Yeah. Then after that, Ubers home for me were like $150. And so I asked Josh if I could come back to his place. So I rode home with Josh and Julia, his now fiancee, rode home. We stopped at the grocery store on the way. We had weird conversations about things that I don’t wanna speak of. And yeah. And then I went back and like hung out in Josh and Julia’s place with them alone, like in their apartment, which was weird. I just like hung out with their cat Pippin, but they’re like together. And so I don’t even remember. It was a weird situation and I just remember looking at my phone. I was like, I just gotta sit around long enough until it’s like not too expensive to Uber home. But yeah, that was one of my favorite Josh slash Jon stories. Well, that’s nice. That I didn’t get to tell on the show. That’s nice. Yeah, it was, except for the part where he called me in LA six. Yeah, that part’s not nice, but I feel like the bonding and random thing and also like, fricking Ubers. Yeah, unbelievable, right? Makes sense. It was the Super Bowl and it was like right after the Super Bowl. So like, everybody’s probably like Ubering back from wherever they watched it from. But anyway, that was my story. And now let’s get into more Josh. Yeah, more fun Josh stories and Trevor stories. Everybody, super exciting guest. I already said it in the intro, but Josh is here. He’s here in the flesh. Look at him. I don’t know why I’m clapping for myself. I’m sorry. That’s super lame. No, it wasn’t lame, Josh. That’s epic. I’m so excited to have you here. This is great. I’m excited too. Are you less excited to have me here than everybody else? ‘Cause I am the least famous guest on the show so far. Can we get a number? Who’s less famous than me? No, we recently had Raurg and Link on the show, who are Runescape YouTubers. I would say that they’re less famous than you, but they’re good friends of mine, so it was still fun. No, I’m really excited ’cause this is like probably the most comfortable I’ve been with a guest, I think. Like I just- More comfortable than the Runescapers. Yeah. That’s huge. I am a manscaper. Dude, you manscape? I actually do, yeah. I have a manscape trailer as well. What a good product. Honestly, really good. Like, get yourself, not a sponsor. No, but should be, certainly. It should be, yeah. Especially anyone who has just gone with a hair clipper without the guard on it. Yeah. You get some nicks. The guards are really nice and they have like the different lengths, you know? ‘Cause sometimes I like to like trim up my beard a little bit, too, with it. Not like a, different blade. I have different blades. No, it’s, listen. I eat outta the trash. I’ll use my downstairs trimmer for my upstairs hair. It’s all the same body. That’s true. Yeah, just wash it. Destigmatize the genitals. That’s what I’m all about. That’s my message. And I think it’s really important that, what are we talking about? I don’t know, man. Welcome to the show, Josh. No, this is exciting. I don’t know. What do you wanna talk about? I feel like we’re already friends and kind of the point of the show is to like, me make friends. And so I don’t know. We can do whatever, I guess. I’ll tell you, so for a long time, I was a food journalist, right? I would go out to eat professionally and write about it. And every single time I went to a restaurant, I would like agonize over what to order. ‘Cause I was like, “Okay, this place is known for this thing. And like, I know this is my budget using on the company card. And like, I have to get this. Oh, and I know this is something I wanna write about.” And so now that I don’t do that for a living anymore, when I go out to eat, I just say “Screw it.” I’m just like, “Somebody else do it. I don’t care.” Food shows up in front of me. So if I’m not hosting the podcast, I don’t care, man. This is you. I’m the guest. I’m not gonna make that decision. I’m not gonna agonize over it. Do you realize how much of my daily life is just agonizing over what to say? Almost all of it. So right now being a guest on your podcast, bro, no. Take it away, Trev. I was waiting for like where that was going. I was like, “There’s gotta be a point to this, right? He’s not just,” because for a second I was like, “Maybe he is just diving into his life.” Just 45 minutes of that. “Maybe he’s just giving me his life story.” He’s like, “What a start.” Eight pounds, six ounces. Baltimore County General Hospital. I was a colic baby. Oh man, well, Jamie wrote me a fact sheet for my friend Josh, as she always does. And she’s great. So I’m gonna read off some of these and you can tell me how good they are. I will confirm or deny. Jamie, I’m judging your producorial capacity. Okay, let’s do it. Was the senior food writer for “LA Mag”. That is true. And I was given the opportunity to pick my own title. Yeah. And somehow I came up with senior food writer. It meant nothing. There was no junior food writer. There was no any other food writer there. But I made it up arbitrarily, similar to my title here, actually, same story. Yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Jobs are all made up, yeah. They don’t mean anything. Pretty much. But no, I was a senior food writer at “Los Angeles Magazine,” I was a very serious food boy. That’s the origin I of my spork tattoo, actually, is I was writing about very fancy food for a fancy magazine. They gave me like $1,000 a month to eat out, but I only made like 32 grand a year or something. And so it was almost like I was getting the same amount of money in free food as I was salary. And I felt like such a fraud, eating all this fancy food all the time that I was like, “Get a tattoo to remind yourself of where you come from.” And to me that is eating garbage foods with a spork. Nice. I did already know that fact. Thank you for writing it down though, Jamie. Jamie, one for one! Yes! This one’s good. Grew up on the poor side in the OC. I did grow up, I grew up poor, and that’s something I talk about a lot ’cause it’s something that has framed my life and I want people to be cool talking about that and understanding that your circumstances that you’re born into don’t define you. I will say though, for anyone poor, also, I know people use the word, the term low income to describe that. I personally hate that term. Simply because for me, when you say low income, when you say low income, it implies that the only problem is like, oh, they just forgot to make enough money. You know? Oh, their income just isn’t high enough. It’s like, no, poverty is a state that is like, put upon somebody by years upon years of, you know, government policy and all that stuff. And so, no, I grew up poor, but I lived in a rich area. ‘Cause I don’t know. My mom, after my parents got divorced and she had mental health issues, we just like came out to California to be near my grandmother who was, you know, in like assisted living, in like an old folks’ home. But happened to be in Orange County, which is a traditionally rich area. And so if you’re poor and you move to a rich area, there are so, oh, so many smiling church folk who just want to help you. And they have all this money. I literally remember, like, it was incredible going to the food bank, ’cause we were like the only family there. There’d be like 15 rich evangelical Christians just like staring at us behind a giant, I swear to God. I remember like a giant bounty of food, literally Pizza Hut, the local fast food places would donate food. We would go there and we’d take home like six Pizza hut pizzas, giant bags of candy. And again, like, the amount of people willing to help the poor people outnumbered actual poor people in Orange County like 15 to one. And so cannot stress enough. Oh, we had families come over every Christmas to give us Christmas presents. Even though we were Jewish, but there was no Hanukkah present, you know, poor people sort of thing. And so we just had the Christians come give us, that’s how I got all the “Harry Potter” books, man. Nice. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, free school clothes all the time. Good stuff. Can recommend. Can recommend. Like, it’s not gonna solve any real problems, you know? And it didn’t solve any of my actual problems. It’s like, yeah I got. But it was nice. I got books and pizzas and it was nice. Cool. That’s awesome. There should be like, more affordable housing and like better mental health resources and stuff like that. But you know, I’ll take candy and pizza, you know, as a fallback. Oh man. So I guess we talk about it sometimes, like, between us as friends, ’cause Josh and I do talk occasionally as friends off camera. I know it’s shocking. It’s true. It is true. It’s shocking. But how do you think that like, you know, like growing up in that circumstances shaped how you have like, brought up the Mythical Kitchen channel? ‘Cause I know a lot of like what we do on the show over at Mythical Kitchen and like the foods that we cook are directly inspired by your upbringing and what you like to eat. But also like kind of the marrying of “I grew up poor and here’s the things that I learned how to like, cook when I was young, and also then I started eating a lot of fancy meals ’cause I was a food writer.” Yeah, I think the biggest thing that informed Mythical Kitchen as far as, let me rephrase that. I think the biggest way my upbringing has informed Mythical Kitchen is the lack of shame. Yeah. Right? In that we were once tasked, to break the little corporate fourth wall here. We were once tasked to come up with like a mantra for our departments or something. And I forgot what we said, but like, shameless was in the word for Mythical Kitchen. And that wasn’t just like, we are shamelessly ourselves and just kind of running around all wacko with our heads cut off. But the fact that we don’t wanna shame anybody for the foods they eat. And like that’s a thing that, you know, I would bring a poor person’s lunch to school. I remember, you know, just bringing like, just like a single slice of ham on like bread heels, you know? And like nothing else to school for lunch. You still eat that. Josh still, every time Josh comes into the kitchen. He’s like, “We got any lunch meat? We got any lunch meat in the fridge?” I’ll eat fistfuls of lunch meat, man. He just grabs a fistful. Carl Buddig. Carl Buddig, they were 25 cents back in the day, they would go on sale four for a dollar of just like the worst quality paper-thin lunch meat. It just snaps just like wet paper that’s been soaked in MSG. And to this day I find absolutely delicious. But you know, I would like, you know, get shamed for stuff that I ate, you know, bringing to school and whatnot. And I always felt like very sort of different from other people and all that. And I realized that like, that’s ridiculous, and a lot of people share that experience as well. And I think there’s a power to that. And so like, if you look at a channel like, I don’t know, let’s name, let’s not name a specific channel here, but like, Non Bappetite, right? So there’s a channel called like Non Bappetite and they’re out there just like, “Oh, if you don’t cook with fresh ingredients every single day, you’re a huge piece of .” They don’t say that, but they indirectly do. But literally the business model of Conde Nast, which is the parent company of Bon Appetite and the magazine, was like, “We want people to aspire to be better, like us. We want to have an aspirational image of what food should be.” And that’s dictated everything they’ve done. That’s why they hire all these people from Ivy Leagues. You know, who studied pastry in Paris and all that stuff. Whereas for me, I’m like, I understand that people have to eat ramen because times are tight and money is hard to come by. And the ability to cook fresh vegetables all the time, to have, one, the time, two, the money to buy them, three, the extra time to learn how to do that stuff, that’s a huge luxury. And this isn’t sitting here preaching, like, “Check your privilege,” and all that. It’s just like, understand how the actual world works and lives, right? Not everybody can go get Harry’s berries fresh from the farmer’s market and break that down into a lovely little paste. It’s like, nah, if I can teach something to, if I can teach somebody to do something cool to a Pop-Tart, that enriches their lives 1%, then to me, that’s great. We’ve done that, you know? And like we’re not out here saying that, I don’t know, making moral claims that like it’s good to eat at McDonald’s but it’s like, McDonald’s is a thing that exists that is very cheap and brings a lot of people a lot of happiness, myself included. Eat at McDonald’s if it makes you happy. I eat at McDonald’s occasionally. I like their McChickens. I got a Big Mac the other day and it really was good. Yeah, man. Good for you Trevor. You’re so brave, dude. You’re like a hero. I like the McChickens with extra mayonnaise, but I can’t bring myself to order extra mayonnaise ’cause it just doesn’t feel right coming outta the mouth. But I hope, I always hope, ooh, I hope they put a little extra squirt on there. And then every time I get a McChicken, I open it up and I go, “Wow!” And there’s a big old gob of mayonnaise in there. That’s nice, man. The one thing at McDonald’s, if you’re watching this, the one thing I don’t like about the Big Mac is so much lettuce on there and it always falls out. I love that, man. Oh yeah. There’s so much wet lettuce and like, no matter how hard I try to keep it in the little box, it always gets on me. That’s the problem, yeah. McDonald’s, if you’re out there, Mr. McDonald, the Irish American burger founder, just do like a circle. Like, you gotta have some sort of genetic modification out there that can make circle lettuce, right? You build a lettuce to be perfectly circular that can go on a Big Mac. You’re not gonna get it in Trevor’s car. Yeah, they build all the other ingredients to be perfectly circular. Why can’t you do it with lettuce? They used to have circular bacon, but they have since gotten rid of it. On the Arch Deluxe, dude. We have a show together called “Past Foods That We Made”. Dude, I forgot about that show. It’s been so long. It’s been so long since we did that. Yeah, probably ’cause it sucked. No, it was cool, man. You know, kind of tight, and then like, you know, I don’t know, we should do it again though. We should. No, it didn’t suck. We should do the McDonald’s steak, egg, and cheese bagel. The problem is there’s only so many like, discontinued fast foods that would actually be like, fun to recreate. ‘Cause there’s a reason a lot of ’em were discontinued because the food items sucked. Yeah, and also a thing that people don’t realize about producing cooking shows is like, so many people were like, I’m trying to think of a good example. They’d be like, “Recreate the fruit and yogurt parfait.” And it’s like, that would just be us putting yogurt and fruit in a cup. Dude, like, what do you mean recreate the fruit? And like, you have to find the right things. Like the Arch Deluxe had some dijon black peppercorn steakhouse sauce that we can at least like make a meal out of, and we can go into what it was probably like and how we can cook it. But like, it’s like when people, I’m not gonna just start complaining about fans here, that’s not what it is, but I’m gonna absolutely do it. It’s like when you get people DMing you on Instagram that are like, “Tell Rhett and Link to do Will It Apple.” I’m like, what does that mean to you? What do you mean, Will It Apple? There’s one thing that will apple, it’s called apple. It didn’t, what are you, okay, like, I always wanna like sit down to these people and just be like game theory, game theory. Philly cheesesteak, will it apple? What does that mean to you? What does that mean to you? Tell me. You put it in the shape of apple. And so there’s a lot of unseen difficulties to actually making the content that people like, don’t see. Yeah. Right? You gotta fill time with something to actually cook. Yeah. Which I mean, you know, they’re people, they don’t make the food. Oh, yeah, dude. I’m sure there’s been so many times when I’ve watched a YouTube video, I’m like, “Why didn’t they just do this this way?” I do that with everything. Everything, yeah. I’m like, why don’t they just? Why does my cell phone work? And then if somebody actually asks me, why does your cell phone work? Tell me. I’d be like, “Whoa, I think it’s like a spaceship, right? And then there’s like little rays.” A signal and it goes up and then it goes back down to the other person. I literally don’t know how anything works. No, I don’t know how any of that works. At an ATM, like, where does the money come from? I don’t know. Is it just always in there? Where does the money come from? Someone’s gonna go into the. How much money is in there? Somebody’s gotta like go in there and get it out, right? I mean, yeah. They open, it’s like, the face of it opens and there’s like a stack. My mom works at the bank. Of how many? How many monies? Oh, like lots of monies. Also sometimes they’ll stack, they’ll stack money, like, wrongly. I was gonna say inappropriately, it’s not inappropriate. They put a 50 and a 100 in there one time and I got 200 bucks instead of 60. What? That’s our new scam. That’s how we make money. Whoa. We just, okay, so here’s the play. What you do is you go to an ATM, you withdraw money and then you deposit it and then you withdraw and deposit, withdraw and deposit. You just keep doing it over and over again until you get more money. Until you find it. Wait, but hold on. I already got a roulette scheme that I think is foolproof. And I think I can make as much money as I want to on it. Okay, what’s the scheme? So the scheme is first you gotta start with, I don’t know, let’s say at least like $20,000 in the bank. That’s a good cushion, right? Okay. You go play roulette, you put $1,000 down on the table. Even if you lose that, then boom. You just gotta double your bet. You get to recoup that loss. Even if you lose that, hold on, then you redouble it. And you’re betting 4,000. That’ll recoup the loss plus an additional 4,000 or plus an additional 2,000. And if you lose that, you just gotta go to 8,000. But the chances of you losing four times in a row, right? That’s, what, that’s something like 25, it’s 93.5% chance that you’re not gonna lose four times in a row. So Trevor, you have a 93% chance of at least doubling your money every single day. You come back, you do it every single day. What, why doesn’t this work? Am I just so stupid that I think this works? I think that that seems like what a gambling problem is. Nah, man, it ain’t a problem, it ain’t a problem. I just need money, man. I just need, Trevor, come on. Give me some money, man. You got podcast money, man. But on a roulette table, it’s not a direct 50/50 chance. Sure, yeah. The green space. I knew you were gonna bring up the green space. Yeah. Screw ’em. That’s my answer to that, Trevor. It’s never gonna happen. That is one thing, since Josh has encouraged bad gambling, I will say the odds are always against you in a casino. I think the most even odds in a casino, and this is what I actually do. I don’t gamble just because I’m always afraid of doing the wrong thing wrongly. Like when I was in New York, I was literally afraid to hail a cab because I thought a cabby would be like, “That’s not how you do it, idiot.” And like, “You didn’t make the right hand motion, dummy.” And so I literally just like walked everywhere ’cause I was afraid I just, you know, someone would laugh at me on the street. It’s like me sitting down at a blackjack table. Like, I don’t know what it means to split. I don’t know what it means to double down. I’m afraid of like, you know, hitting when I have 16 and like a, you know, dude just going like, . And I’m just like, “No, I’m vulnerable!” And so what I do at a casino is I’ll take $20, I’ll go to a slot machine and I’ll pull it once every five minutes until a server comes around and gives me a free drink. And then I just keep repeating the process. So like I get, you know, half an hour of entertainment. I get, you know, free drinks, breaking even. Playing the “Willy Wonka” slot machine, absolutely blotto off free drinks, and it’s a great time. Dude, wait. Aren’t we gonna accidentally be in Vegas at the same time? Yeah, I think we are. I think we are. Yeah. I’m excited for that. Yeah. It’s gonna be fun. Yeah, I went to, I did go to to Vegas once. The only time I went like, really clubbing, and it involved just like, someone broke a nose, chipped a tooth, had to go to the ER, another person pooped their pants. Someone was on the toilet throwing up. And somebody broke their foot. That’s a lot. Yeah. And so it wasn’t great. No, that doesn’t sound that great. No, no. The person who broke their nose, it was, I don’t wanna say it was my fault, but they were vomiting all over themselves in a bed. And so I picked them up to try and take them to the bathroom and they’re covered in vomit. And so they just wriggle and physically like, slip out of my arms, like a lubed-up porpoise. But it’s all vomit, ya see? And just go boom, face first onto the hard tile floor. I hear “tink, tink, tink,” and I was like, “What is that noise?” And I look, and it’s just a tooth scattering across. Oh man. So that was a good time. Let’s run it back, Trevor. Just me and you, buddy. Come on. No, no. Let’s get bottle service, pump up the jams. I actually didn’t know that the drinks that they walk around with at the casino were free. I had no idea. Well, you tip. Yeah, no, yeah, you tip, but I remember I went to, I was playing poker actually. I was just playing like, Texas Hold ‘Em just ’cause I wanted to play poker and the lady comes by and asks me if I wanted anything to drink, and then I was like, “Oh yeah, I’ll just have like a black coffee,” ’cause it was in the morning. And she brings me the black coffee and I was like, “How much do I owe you?” And it was like that situation with the cab driver where I felt like such an idiot. ‘Cause she’s like, “Oh, you don’t owe me anything.” I was like. Biggest fear. Black coffee for free? Like it was the most expensive, I was like, “Oh my God.” This is the height of luxury! And this I think should be a legit casino game is Pop-A-Shot. The basketball, the mini basketball hoop where you flick the basketballs. And so, but. Bless you, God bless you. Excuse me. Sorry. God bless you, Trevor. Thank you. But you had to like put money into it to still play it. Yeah. But that is a game that I think I could, I could Rain Man that into millions of dollars. How do you win money though? Like what’s the- I haven’t figured out the rules quite yet, Trevor. All I know is I have virtuosic performances on that game. Anytime, there’s only one. Anytime I see a Pop-A-Shot machine, I have to get the high score on it before I leave. And I will put any amount of time, money, emotional energy into that. I will alienate any relationship I’ve ever had to beat the score on a Pop-A-Shot machine. And the only place I cannot beat it, Barney’s Beanery West Hollywood, because. Wow. There’s like a really famous, he’s I think a dishwasher maybe or a buser who is incredibly good at that game. He’s gone on like Jimmy Kimmel, I think, to do Pop-A-Shot from Barney’s Beanery West Hollywood. So that’s the only person that I can’t beat. So he’s like my nemesis. Like, he is the, what’s the dude’s name from the Trojan War? What? The Trojan War. Achilles? The prince, the prince. The prince? Not Achilles. Paris? Eric Bana played him. Oh, Hector. Yeah. He’s the Hector to my Achilles. Okay. There it is. Thank you, Jamie. Yeah. I love that movie. Hector! So good, man. Brad Pitt didn’t even wanna do that movie, which I’m like. Really? Why? “Troy” was universally critically panned and it’s one of my top three movies of all time. You guys can talk about it for a bit if you want. I’ve seen the movie, so if you wanted to talk more about it. Have you not seen it? No, I don’t think so. Dude, that’s a good. You finally have not seen a movie? Yeah, apparently. What? But that movie specifically? “Troy?” “Troy.” No. Oh man. Oh my God, dude. Eric Bana, Orlando Bloom, Brad Pitt. My God, Trevor. You are missing it. What? It’s like, everyone’s just like sexy and muscley and stabbing each other. When did it come out? I mean, at the peak of movies, right? Like 2005, was when movies. 2004, very close. There you go. It’s when movies peaked. Hold on, let me look where it is at stream. Filo. That’s a bit on the nose. Filo for a Greek movie? That’s a bit on the nose. Is that just a Greek movie streaming service called Filo? I don’t know what Filo is. Join spanakopita.com to get all your Greek movies. It’s funny because on this show, normally I have like younger, like Gen Z people on. And so I like to think of myself as pretty, yeah, Josh is old, everyone. Am I at least the oldest guest on the show? Maybe, maybe. 30, flirty, and thriving. Do you even know where that’s from? No way! Oh my God. Trevor! What is it? How does he even exist in the world? I don’t know. Wait, what is it? Maybe I just don’t remember. Bro, Jennifer Garner, Andy Serkis. “13 Going On 30”. Judy Greer. You, oh my God. You’re gonna go, you’re gonna. You have never seen that? That’s technically in the Marvel Cinematic Universe. No, I haven’t seen it. Mark Ruffalo, man. Mark Ruffalo, oh my God. I’m sorry. Normally I’m the one that’s seen the. Do you know the plot to “13 Going On 30”? No. Oh my God. Jennifer- Is it similar to “17 Again” with Zac Efron? No, it’s not. Not even close. And it’s so much better, so much better than that. A 13-year-old who magically becomes 30, flirty, and thriving ’cause she wishes for it on her 13th birthday when the group of mean girls, also call the Six Chicks. Anyway. Sorry to sorry to usurp your show. No, that’s okay. I’m glad, ’cause I, like I was going to say, is normally like when we have younger people on, I like to consider myself like I have okay movie knowledge. I’ve seen lots of movies, and there’s a lot of times that people don’t know the movies that I’m talking about and now the script has been flipped and I feel like a fool. Yeah, no, you are. Well, one of my fears is that children these days aren’t watching movies. Yeah. And that’s a problem. Actually, no, but like this is an actual fear of mine, especially coming from the line of work that we’re in is that pop culture is getting so and so fractured that people aren’t going to have similar common reference points like, ever anymore. Because people are so just like, you know, you’re watching TikToks and people have their own in-groups so they can reference certain TikToks that they’ve seen. But it’s not the same as having like, the one blockbuster cultural touchstone. And like, we deal in cultural touchstones in a sense, right? Like, that’s our currency is being able to be most relatable to a wide amount of people. Or at least, you know, a somewhat wide amount of people who are very ingrained in our lives and content and all that. And as like, content just fractures more and more and more, it feels like audiences are just gonna get more and more secluded, you know. And segmented. And that freaks me out, dude. The content apocalypse? What do you, I, well, here’s a question that I actually don’t know if I’ve ever asked you. How long do you want to be a content creator? To me, there is, one, I never wanted to be a content creator. Like, I love doing it now, of course. And I didn’t consider being a journalist a content creator, right? Like, the term content creator, how old is that term even, etymologically? Yeah, not super old. Probably like 2015. I would say in like the early days of when that was kind of being classified as like, yeah. ‘Cause you used to just call ’em YouTubers. It was before there was like all these, you know, everybody had. And you used to not call YouTubers YouTubers ’cause YouTube only started in ’05 and the term YouTuber probably didn’t start until like 2012 when people were actually making money off of it. So even the term YouTuber had a very short shelf life and now it’s content creator, because anybody on YouTube realized that they need to move audiences elsewhere to continue to make money. And we used to call people like that, like, entertainers. You know, for a living, they would do events. And they’d do television and they’d sell tickets to stuff. You know, they’d do commercials. And now everything’s just, you know, sort of different. And so I never wanted to be a content creator. I sort of stumbled into this job and was like, let’s try something new. And now I really love it, but I don’t feel like I, I don’t feel like, native to it, if that makes sense, right? Like I’m not one of those people who’s like, “All I ever wanted is to bring joy to people through my entertainment.” It’s like, “All I ever wanted was to escape poverty and to live comfortably.” Like, that’s all I ever wanted, and I love what I do now and I love connecting with people and that’s something I never wanna take for granted. And I don’t know if I feel a sense of like duty, too, to the audience, but I definitely feel something a little bit paternalistic, right? You know, unlike Charles Barkley, people do view you as a role model and you have to take that somewhat seriously, you know? And so I don’t think it’s something where I’d ever just like, duck away and escape, but also I never wanna be one of those people who watches their star fall and fall and fall and all they do, because they haven’t figured out the other things that bring them a sense of identity and joy in life, all they do is claw and scratch and claw and scratch, beating back against the algorithm like boats against the tide trying to recoup any amount of identity and failing at it and that, wow. Dude, that’s like an ancient Greek torture. You know, like Sisyphus rolling a ball up a hill. You’re just you just beating against the algorithm, you know, like a brick to the face. Oh man. That sounds awful. So anyways, 11 years. 11 years? Yeah, man, that sounds nice. 11 more years. 41, you’re gonna hang it up? Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, who knows where the media industry will be by that point. Dude, I have no idea, man. It, honestly, the oversaturation of content these days, it like, scares me. We’re doing it right now, Trevor. Yeah. This is content. We’re in the matrix, dude. I know we’re in the matrix. This is crazy. I’m just like, thankful that there are things that I love other than doing this, like you said. What is it? What is the thing that brings you the most joy outside of like, this job or outside of consuming any media, what would you be doing? All media disappears, where are you? How’s Trevor filling his day? All media disappears? I convince my dad to give me money to open my own bakery in Meridian, Idaho, down the road from his cigar shop. And then I bake pastries and bread and smoke cigars with my dad. And I’m making your hams. It’s not a euphemism. I mean I would. We’re gonna open it. Josh and I have a fallback plan. If everything ever goes to crap, we’re gonna move to Idaho and we’re gonna open up a cured meat sandwich shop. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ‘Cause I, one of my favorite little idealistic ideas, you have the people who are like, “I’m gonna open up a small bakery.” I think all anybody ever wants is a constant struggle. Yeah. That’s what it is, right? You see a lot of people. I think about this a lot. No, hold on, for real. Humans who have no struggle and conflict will just invent them. Think about how many rich people have like, the dumbest problems, right? “My kid isn’t getting into the right Ivy League school and then Muffy down at the country club won’t think that I’m,” you have no problems in the entire world. You’ve just made things up because humans, we want conflict. A life without conflict is boring. That said, if you can control the conflict to be something like, “Ooh, I need to figure out the right salt percentage to put on my ham,” that’s what I want. If all content media blows up tomorrow, then I just want to spend the next, let’s say I’ll live to be 61. That’d be a pretty good thing for me given my family history. Say I live to 61. I spend the next 30 years of my life just trying to figure out how to make the world’s best ham. Every single day you wake up, you got something to work on. I’m doing CrossFit and ham. Yeah. No, I’m happy with that, honestly. ‘Cause I mean, there is something so peaceful about just like, baking bread. Like, I worked in a bakery, you know this, and I made croissants every day. And while that wasn’t like, it did get repetitive, but there was always something so relaxing. Like it just became muscle memory. And every time I was at work, like especially on like slower days when I could just chill and just make dough and make bread and make croissants, like, it was zen, dude. I was like in my happy place, like, I wasn’t stressed. I wasn’t even thinking about what I was doing. I was just sheeting dough, feeling it. And I was so good at it. That’s the other thing is being good at it, man. That feels good. Yeah. Doing stuff you’re good at yeah. Oh, what a treat. Yeah. We could join a city league basketball team too. Just clean up in Meridian, Idaho. Oh my God. I played in a city league there. It’s easy pickings for us. Easy pickings. I’m down, man. I haven’t shot a ball in like three years. I gotta, is that a story we should bring up, the one time we played basketball together with my brother? Yeah, yeah. That was hilarious. Utter domination by this guy. Oh, playing bully ball. Just body checking Trevor onto the next court. Well, questionable, questionable. Josh, myself, and his brother Jon went to a park outdoors to play basketball. I don’t even remember what day it was. It was very windy. It was so windy. So windy. Eliminate the jump shot out of anyone’s game, which is great for me. That’s the only reason that Josh dominated is ’cause I’m sitting up there at the top of the key and I’m putting up a shot and it’s just gliding three feet to the left every time. Playing the elements. Yeah. Playing the elements. It was painful. Anyway, we were gonna join a basketball team. We were gonna join a basketball league and then COVID happened. Ugh, COVID. Ugh. Wait, I wanna talk about media stuff more. The idea that like doing a repetitive task is very, very fulfilling as long as it’s something you are good at and you enjoy. The job that we have right now is literally the opposite of that, where you have to come up with new ideas and not only new ideas, you have to come up with new, better ideas. Because the way YouTube algorithm works is that it’s just constantly escalating. So if you come up with a good idea and then a little bit worse of an idea after that, you’re losing, even if that is also a good idea. So you just have to constantly escalate and you’re coming up with new things every single day. We release four videos a week, including YouTube shorts, on Mythical Kitchen. You got your podcast once a week. Nicole and I have our podcast once a week. Yeah, it’s a lot. Why are we doing it? Well, it’s funny that you bring that up, because I feel like it’s a different kind. Like if you’re thinking about it from a food sense or a content sense, yes. You’re coming up with something new all the time. But I think where the repetitive thing comes in and the talent thing comes in is our personalities. And like what we present to people and how we show up on camera. I think that’s the fun thing for me about it is like when we’re on camera, no matter what we’re making or if it’s a podcast, if it’s a cooking video, whatever, if it’s me doing a stupid character on “GMM”, being able to be in that moment and have like a funny thing that you say or do something well on camera or present yourself and just feel confident like, “Yeah, I did great. Like, that was a great, that’s gonna be a great video.” I think that’s like, the fun part about it for me, where I feel like the talent gets to like, show through. But yeah, coming up with new foods that have never been made ever before every day is awful. Yeah, it’s, oh man. It’s nerve-wracking. Incredibly. It’s terrible, man. And every single time you sit down to think of a new idea, that little thought creeps into your head of “Today’s the day where the ideas stop coming.” Right? Every single time you sit down. And then magically we’re like, “Oh, and here’s 15 new TikToks that we put out.” And I am shirtless with a life-size camera costume clicking tongs as if I’m some sort of Instagram demon. You know, and the sausage gets made. Yeah, I mean, but if you look at it, like the people that were probably on like the cutting edge of the TV and film industry like in the ’90s, early 2000s, they probably thought the same thing. No, they didn’t. No, stark difference. That’s something that I fully disagree with. Really. Really? You think that they were like, “There’s a billion ideas out there for shows and movies and we’re never gonna run out of things?” Not necessarily that, but the pace at which anything was produced and put into the world was so much slower. I think about this a lot when I was writing, right? I started journalism when any person under 25 years old, they were just like, “Figure out the internet, young ‘un.” And then it would be like, “Okay, well, I need three blog posts a day.” And so I could never actually focus on like one good thing. And then people would be like, “When Jonathan gold was writing in the ’90s,” it’s like, Jonathan Gold was getting paid a living wage to write one story per week. Jonathan Gold, for anyone who doesn’t know, only Pulitzer-winning food writer ever. Personal hero of mine. LA legend. He had to write one article per week. And people bought newspapers. They spent money on media, you know? And so no, I think people who worked in this industry in the ’90s, they just didn’t have to come up with as many ideas because they weren’t putting out five videos a week. On the flip side, there’s a lot of people who I see talking on Twitter and they’ll be like, “If I worked in TV in the ’90s, I’d be making so much money and I’d blah, blah, blah.” They talk about Carrie Bradshaw and “Sex in the City”. They’re like, “She was making this much money. If I was a magazine columnist then, I’d be blah.” It’s like, but you wouldn’t be a magazine columnist then because back then there was like four of those positions available and now there’s 400. We’ve like, supplied ourselves into the ground. We’ve all collectively raced to the bottom because we decided that like, it’s important to have a fun job, you know? And so like that has literally just dropped the value of it. Like, there shouldn’t be this many videos out there. There’s simply too many. There are. There’s simply too many. Well, now I’m depressed. Not this one, though. This one’s the one important one. Yeah! Click the bell! Yeah, I remember when we announced this podcast and somebody like, I think replied to the tweet and they’re like, “Oh great. Another podcast.” And I was like, “Yeah, you’re right. You’re right, I guess.” But hey, if this podcast can make like, you know, a few people happy, then that’s cool and it’s fun to do. And I think that’s one of the, you know, positive sides of like media and stuff continuing to fracture and segment is that you’re getting deeper connections with people. Like, the amount of messages that I’m sure we’ve both gotten from fans who were just like, “Hey, this has meant so much to me. I was in a really dark place. This dragged me out of a depression. I watched you make a peanut butter and jelly chicken sandwich and put Smuckers on your nipples,” or whatever I do during our normal cooking show, “That was the reason that I got out of bed this morning.” Yeah. Right? And people, you know, network TV writers don’t have that. You know? I don’t think someone’s like, “Hey, this one line on ‘NCIS’ tonight that I instinctively knew was written by you, one of 16 people in the writer’s room. When Queen Latifa delivered that in ‘911’,” which I’ve heard is a good show. I’m not digging on that show and I love Queen Latifa. You know what I mean? They don’t have those connections with people. So it’s cool to have that. I mean, I remember being young and growing up, like in high school, when I first started struggling with depression and having those same things, like there were people that like, when I was holed up in my room and felt like I couldn’t get outta bed and all I wanted to do was just stay isolated in my room, there were people that I watched, like YouTubers, content creators that I watched and it never was a TV show. It never was, I didn’t have my comfort movies where I’m like, “Oh, I just can’t wait to watch Russell Crowe again in ‘Gladiator’, like, I’m gonna feel so good after this.” It’s like I watched, you know, YouTube videos, I watched Twitch streams. And I watched that because it was like, it was, it was a sense of connection, kind of that like weird parasocial relationship. Even though I wasn’t like, weird. Like I wasn’t like, “Oh my God, this person is my friend.” But it is nice to have like just a little bit more intimate of a connection and know that this is like a real person that plays Runescape, a game that I also play, and I can type a message in chat and be like, “Yo, I like your streams, man.” And he’ll be like, “Hey, thanks, man. I appreciate it.” Like, it was just those little things. And I think that that’s something that I really love. And when I started to be able to do this job and have those interactions and have that personal connection, kind of, to the fans, it was something that really made me happy ’cause I remember needing that when I was young and needing those connections. And so it’s cool to be able to do it now. So you’re talking about like, you know, there are people, there are content creators who have been like a great comfort to you. Yeah. And even great comforts to people. But do you think that that relationship are two sides of the same coin? Do you think like, the thing that is making people depressed is also the thing, and I don’t wanna be flippant about chemical depression here, clinical depression, whatever people call it. I know it’s an issue with brain chemistry, but like if you see, you know, rates seem to be going up, people seem to be sadder, and rates of depression have risen. And I mean, I think it would be ridiculous to not look at social media as at least part of the reason why, right? Is that a controversial thing? ‘Cause I don’t think it is. No, social, I was gonna say actually, before you even brought up social media, I was gonna say that like YouTube and Twitch, ’cause those are the two main things I would say that when I first started struggling with depression that were the things that I looked to, those are great. You know, having something to distract you, having like a real person there that you can feel that kind of connection with. But social media is so toxic. Yeah, brain poison. It is literally poisoning brains. And like, it’s been something that like, I’ve had to back up from because. Yeah, same, same, same, same. Way back in the day when I was in high school and I had like 300 followers on Instagram and I did barely use Twitter, like, it wasn’t that bad. It was whatever. Like, I still would have those moments where I was like, “Oh man, I wish I had more followers.” But like, I didn’t really care. And when I started working here and when I first started getting like, more followers, it was something that I was very stressed out about. And I was like, the way that people perceive me on social media is everything. Sure. And I need people to approve of me on Instagram and Twitter. I need people to think I’m hot and funny and I always have to be doing things that continue to make people think I’m hot and funny. And I would get anxious if I didn’t post something. I would literally sit in my room and I’d be like, “You gotta think of something funny to tweet. You have to like, take pictures or something to post on Instagram. Otherwise people are gonna forget what you look like and not care about you.” And I’ve just, I’m thankful that I realized it ’cause it is so toxic and I’ve definitely like, taken a step back from that and been like, I don’t care. Like, I scroll on Twitter now and I scroll on Instagram, but I don’t like worry about posting things. But it is so toxic and it is so bad for like, your mental health to just constantly be on social media. Are you familiar with the Arab Spring, Trevor? No. I believe it was in Tunisia where a man named Mohamed Bouzaizi self-immolated. He was a street, he was a fruit cart worker and to protest repressive Tunisian policies, lit himself on fire in protest, launched a just firestorm of protests all across the Middle East and North Africa. I believe like eight autocrats were ousted at the time. This is Mubarak, Gaddafi, a lot of these people. And of course from our like very American view, we’re like, “Yeah, good thing!” And a lot of people were organizing on social media about it. And so all the discourse at the time was like, “Wow, social media is a tool for societal good. Everybody can organize and do great things.” And then like 2016 happens, you know? And we’re like, “Oh no.” And so to me, that’s why I ask about the like two sides of the same coin, right? If it can be used to gather people together for good, it can be used to gather people together for bad. And so if you’re getting comfort from it, there’s also a chance that it’s, you know, the thing that could be causing your discomfort. Yeah. Right? And that’s the thing that like, freaks me out. No, yeah. And I think it has a lot to do with the things that get attention on social media and YouTube in general, the things that are always gonna be at the forefront are the most negative things. ‘Cause that’s what’s gonna cause people. If it bleeds, it leads. Goes back to ’90s news media, baby. Yeah, it’s gonna be the things that cause people to scroll more. That’s what they want people, like, any social media site is, the algorithm is written to keep you on it as long as possible. That’s why when you post a YouTube link on Twitter, Twitter buries the tweet because they’re like, “We don’t want people leaving our site,” and everything that keeps people on the site is like 90% negative. Like you don’t see good things, like, “Oh my God, this is such a great thing trending,” ’cause it’s like, “Oh, that’s cool.” You read about it once. But like, you know, when you see something really awful and negative going on, everybody’s gonna be tweeting about it. And you’re just going to keep scrolling and keep scrolling and keep scrolling. And so 90% of the things you consume on social media are just really terrible to dwell on and think about. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The only goal of any living thing is to survive. Yeah. Right? And so the only goal, this sounds insane, like I’m talking about Twitter as a living being, but the goal of Twitter is to keep being Twitter. The goal of every single person working for Twitter is for Twitter to keep being Twitter, and it will do anything that it needs to to keep existing. Yeah. Right? And so if they make a decision like, “Oh, we’re gonna ban Trump.” It’s not because of some sort of moral altruism, it’s because they wanna keep being Twitter. And if enough people leave Twitter because they’re complaining that Trump is still on there, then it’s gonna stop being Twitter. So like, the only goal of anything is survival. And it’s just going to keep escalating the things, good or bad, that allow it to exist. Also, this is funny because it also works in the same way with pictures of women in not a lot of clothes. The Twitter algorithm knows that people will click on photos of scantily-clad women. Not that that’s a bad thing, post whatever you want on Twitter. No, we’re sex-positive on “Trevor Talks Too Much.” No, yeah, post whatever you want. But Twitter knows that people like that. And so what, and much to their credit, what female influencers on Twitter have figured out is that if they type in buzzwords over their picture, it will get suggested. And I just- Oh, that’s why that’s happening. Yeah, so literally what it’ll be is, and you can do, it’s so funny because you can just type, if you post a picture of yourself and then you type, “I need an anime,” or “I need like a gamer BF to chill and watch anime with,” it will show up under suggested tweets for gaming and anime, even though it has nothing to do with either. It shows up or it’s like, “I need someone to play ‘Valorant’ with or ‘League of Legends’ with.” It’ll show up under “Valorant” or “League of Legends.” And it’s so funny because you’ll just scroll and scroll and scroll and you’ll have like all these suggested topics and it’s all just pictures of hot girls. And you know why Trevor, you know why? Because you know what those hot girls are trying to do? What? Survive. Yeah. The only goal, Trevor, is survival. That’s all there is. And much to their credit that they figured it out, that they could game the algorithm like that, and like, post what you want. But it’s just so funny ’cause the Twitter algorithm is literally just geared to how can we keep people on the site as long as possible and keep scrolling and interacting with tweets? My version of that is a little bit more niche, but it’s these accounts that I probably started following on Instagram like six, seven years ago. They’ll be like track and field world, runner space, whatever, you know, like random track pages that would post track results and pictures of track athletes. And I’d go, “Hey, cool. Usain Bolt is out there.” But it all started, I would trace it back to pole vaulter Allison Stokke, who, one, very talented pole vaulter. Newport Harbor, pole vaulted at Cal, had a pro run. She was also just incredibly gorgeous. And there was a photo of her that went super, super viral of her just looking hot with a pole. She’s very athletic. Pole vaulters are very lean and toned. They probably posted a picture of Allison Stokke and so they just gradually, it’s literally Darwinian, right, the way that it happens. And now it’s literally just like softcore porn. It’ll just be like a girl in like a thong and like a push-up bra on like a tennis court. It’s like, “Track and field news!” I know exactly how you got here, but this has nothing to do with track. Dude, underboob Chef. Underboob Chef! Oh my God! Underboob Chef! Let’s go. Oh my God. Underboob Chef. Should I tell them about Underboob Chef? Yeah, okay, so one time we were, I don’t even remember what we were trying to find a recipe for. We were trying to find like a traditional Vietnamese recipe for something. We were trying to find a Vietnamese recipe. And so we look up a video of how to make it and we find this Vietnamese video and it’s just a Vietnamese lady on YouTube with like a shirt and no bra. And it’s literally so much underboob. I’m pretty sure nip slipped out at one point during the video and she’s just cooking a great Vietnamese dish. We were looking for like, it was like “bun cha recipe”. We typed that on YouTube. And the one that looked like the food that we were looking to find was just like, sexy lady, no bra bun cha recipe. And I was like, “Listen, this just looks like the best bun cha recipe and we need to watch it.” And it had the most views! And I thought the sexy lady would, maybe it was just like an attractive woman and I thought maybe it was a mistranslation from Vietnamese to English. No, it was just, you know, maybe a nice woman’s making bun cha, and she is I’m sure. She’s more than her underboob, but. And it was a great recipe. Just her nips out, dude, nips out making bun cha. Yeah, but it was a great recipe. Great recipe, man. She makes good traditional food. Boobs out. And I was like, that’s, again, I commend you. I commend you. You’ve you’ve figured it out. It took us 2022 years to figure out that people like to see boobs. We’re gradually dialing in the efficiency more and more, but then to make it stupider, you would think that like things would get smarter as they figure out to make things more efficient. But no, it just realizes that we’re all just idiot lizard brains. And it’s just like, well, I needed and to know how to make these noodles. But I want to see boobage. Yeah. And so you see the boobage and the noods. We’re troglodytes. And we’re troglodytes. Everybody’s utterly stupid and just a victim to their own messed-up thoughts. Yeah. Well, fun podcast. You guys wanna play a game? I would love to play a game, but can you say it like the Joker does in “Batman”? I do a better, I need to lead up to that one ’cause I do a good Joker impression, but I gotta hit the. Warm up. Do whatever you need to do. Okay, okay, okay. It’s not about the money. It’s about sending a message. I like that. One night he went off a little crazier than usual. My mom came at him with a knife. Oh, he didn’t like that. Not one bit. I forgot to lick my lips. That’s what it’s all about. You gotta lick your lips a lot. Do you want me to do a Batman? Yeah. Where is he? Where is he? Where’s the Joker? Did Batman, like, canonically do that, like have that, or was Christian Bale like, “This is what I’m gonna do, and damn if you try and stop me.” Well, I think Batman is originally from a comic book. I’ve heard of that, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you can’t really hear. Well, no, did they have a parenthetical though that was like in a gruff gravelly, distorted voice. I think it was as a way to disguise his identity ’cause you know, he has a mask on, but also disguise his voice a little bit. Watching the movies, it is incredibly distracting. Yeah. So Jamie worked very hard on this game, man. I’m actually really excited to play it. It’s called “Do You Know Your Bro?” Whoa, we’re the bros. And you’re my bro. We’re bros. Yeah, we’re bros. So I think what we’re gonna do is we’re gonna grab these sheets of paper. Yeah, grab the paper and the pens. Use the bold side, please. And Jamie’s gonna ask us questions about each other that we have to answer and we’re gonna see if we know each other well. It’s like “The Newlywed Game,” except we’re not married. Yet. Yet. We’re gonna start out with the Josh round. So Trevor, I will be asking questions that hopefully you know about Josh. The thing is about this game is that they’re not all factual. Some of these are very subjective, so some of the answers could be hard to, potentially. So they’re kind of interspliced. All right, Trevor. So first question. Okay. What was written on your mug on your first day in the office that Josh said cannot come back to the office? Oh yeah. Wait, I don’t also write, do I? No, you write, ’cause you have to see if your answers match. Okay. How do I hide it from Trevor? Just don’t look at each other. Yeah, okay. I got it. All right, ready? Reveal. “Sempai in the streets, hentai in the sheets.” That’s right, yeah. Trevor brought a hentai themed mug. Everyone was like, “Hey, do you have any concerns hiring a 20-year-old for this job?” And I said, “No, not at all. You know, he seems like a very mature young man,” and then he comes in and it’s like, probably like, this is his first. I don’t remember it being your first week. He had a mug that said “Sempai in the streets, hentai in the sheets.” And I, was there anything graphic on it? No, it was just words. There wasn’t like hentai titties on it. I feel like there may have been hentai titties. I can show you a photo of the mug. It is a plain white mug with those words written on it. Not even like any weird faces. It is only words. Yeah, and one of the weird things about the dynamic is that technically I’m Trevor’s boss in the Mythical Kitchen since, I think, do I approve your time off? Is that a thing that I do? I think Nicole might do it now. Have you ever logged it, even? I don’t know if I’ve logged time off. I log my time off, but I think Nicole approves it. ‘Cause you got a lot going on. That’s a lot going on. But anyway, so like, you know, this is like, Trevor was like, our second hire. It’s literally Nicole then Trevor and we started filling out the team and I’m like, you know, “Okay, Josh, like, new face in your life, you gotta manage people, you gotta be friends with him, but also understand there’s just gonna be some boundaries, you know, like things.” And then I just see “Sempai in the streets, hentai in the sheets.” I just remember saying “Trevor, that mug is hilarious. Please never bring that to the office every again.” And then you showed up with the “Bigfoot is real and he tried to eat my ” hat and I was like, “That’s acceptable.” We are a pro anilingus company, because it’s gender-neutral. Everybody has a butthole, every butthole can be eaten. You know, it’s actually funny now that you bring that up. I don’t, it’s funny that you are okay with the hat and me wearing that on camera, but not the mug. Yeah, I don’t necessarily wanna try and break that down too much. Yeah, no, probably shouldn’t. I only wear the hat occasionally. All right. Next question. All right, next question. This one is subjective. Okay. So this one I’m gonna have Trevor reveal first and then see if it matches Josh’s answer. Oh, okay. If Josh was giving a TED talk, what would it be about? Oh God, that’s hard. That’s hard because Josh, your first instinct is to go with something silly, but I think it would actually be serious. Let’s see how well you know your bro. I got my answer. This is something I’ve, well, not necessarily a TED Talk. This is actually a book that I wanna write. This is a book that I wanna write. I think I missed it, but I think this is something that is. All right, Trevor, what is your answer? I put racism in food media. Oh, here’s the thing about that is I would not, I would gladly like, help produce and consult as a white dude, don’t know if I should be the face of racism in food media. But I do talk about that a lot and think about that a lot and try and be efficacious about the way I interact. I would just do how the internet has shaped the way that we eat in ways that people don’t expect. That’s a thing I think about all the time. My entire career has been on the internet in food media, and I think there’s a lot of absolutely insane stories that people don’t understand. For instance, like one Goop post, Gwyneth Paltrow’s site, from a man who claims he speaks to angels caused a global celery shortage and caused the prices of it to almost triple. You know, like, stuff like that is crazy. There were feta shortages after the TikTok video of the baked feta and stuff like that. And I think that’s fascinating. That is very interesting. That would be a fun one. Yeah, that was a good one. So so far it’s one, you got one point. That was a toughie though, and that was like. I might give you a half a point for that ’cause it was both about serious food topics. I figured it would be something food media related, but on a more serious note. And I just know that, yeah. That’s something that we’ve talked about in the past and how godawful food media is when it comes to that stuff. Next one. Okay. What is Josh’s favorite cocktail of all time? Oh, wow. Dude, you better know this. Oh my God. Do you not know this? Dude, I talk about it all the time. I’ve like, made you one. I know you do. I’ve made you one. You’ve made me one? I think I made you one when you came over to, you came over that one time, right? We had like a little like potluck where we got a ton of Connie’s seafood on my apartment building rooftop. Well, ’cause this is tough because there’s also, Josh’s like, ’cause there’s Josh’s favorite cocktail, but then we’ve also had lots of conversations about what’s the classiest cocktail that you can order or like what’s a good cocktail to order at a bar when you wanna seem like you’re like, know a little bit. Also I’ve said so many things in my life. Yeah, you said so much. Oh my God. Okay, I have it, I think. Okay. Reveal, Trevor. Black Manhattan slash old fashioned? Oh no, hold on. But that is, black Manhattan’s number two. But it is the penicillin. Fudge, man, fudge! And that was the answer I was looking for. I should’ve known. God dang it. All right, one more for Josh, and then we’re switching to Trevor. Okay. This one is also subjective. Okay. What would be the name of Josh’s deathcore band? Ooh. Oh God. Something like, really. I have an idea. It’s a bit of a pun and doesn’t necessarily follow the musical genre exactly. ‘Cause there’s like a lot of deathcore bands that are like Decapitated Corpse, you know, like Festering Wound. Yeah. But I didn’t go that way. Okay, well. All right, Trevor? Mine’s wrong, then, big time. I went with, God’s Severed Big Toe. That’s good. That’s a good one though. That’s like, I went with Thrash Raccoon. We are Thrash Raccoon and we’re here to melt your face off. You know, something like that. Love it. Thrash Raccoon, man. I’d watch Thrash Raccoon. That’d be pretty cool. That’s good. Yeah. Shoot. All right. Are we switching to Trevor now? We’re switching to Trevor. I hope I don’t embarrass myself. Well, I didn’t do very well. Ah, geez. It’s okay, it’s okay. This is gonna be good. Okay. What was the name of the French bakery Trevor worked at before starting at Mythical? That is so easy. The first one that you got was easy too. Was it? There was like another, I think it’s just the, there was like another restaurant attached to it though. And that had a numerical name. Like, it wasn’t 187 ’cause that’s the police code for murder in the great Samuel L. Jackson movie based on the high school that my dad used to teach at. Dude, I don’t even remember the name of the restaurant. It was like 186, I think. Yeah. Yeah, 186. All right. So Josh, reveal first. I believe Dominique Ansel. Yes. Name of the bakery. He is the, I believe a former French special forces operative? He was a military guy, right? You know more about him than I do. I just know he was an angry French man. And French chefs are, you know, brought up to, hurt people hurt people, Trevor. Brought up in a cycle of abuse and continued the cycle of abuse. And it ain’t cool. It’s not cool. It’s not cool. Not freaking cool. Stop doing the abuse. Yeah. All right, next question. This one’s subjective. If there was a biopic about Trevor’s life, who would he want cast to play himself? Oh, interesting. We’re not going age agnostic. We’re going like for realsies for realsies who’s playing Trev. Yeah, great. Man. I don’t have a good, you know what? I’m just running with it. Okay. All right. Josh reveal first. I said Gansel Melmort, the guy from “Baby Driver”. Ansel Elgort? What? Gansel Melmort. I don’t, what do you guys? Eddie Redmayne. Son of a! That’s who I would. Are you effing kidding me! That’s why, Trevor, that’s literally why I was asking if it was age agnostic. I don’t, what is age agnostic? What do you mean by that? Like if, ’cause Eddie Redmayne wouldn’t play you ’cause he’s significantly older. Yeah, but he’s not like. I knew that ’cause you dressed up as the Danish girl in high school and he was the Danish girl. I don’t know enough, like, younger people. That’s why I said Gansel Melmort, ’cause he’s young. Gansel Melmort. You know, and he’s like tall, and I don’t know. He’s got too much of like a baby face, I think. He’s got like a chubbier face, a rounder face than I do. I was gonna say Chalamet. I was gonna say Chalamet, Timmy Chalamet. Oh, that’s a good one. Chalamet, but I did not. I mostly wanted to write down Gansel Melmort. I always forget how the letters and sounds are structured in that person’s name because Gansel Melmort and Ansel Elgort are equally appropriate names. Also, I wouldn’t want Gansel Melmort ’cause I’m pretty sure he is kind of a piece of . Ah. So I don’t know, man. Gansel Melmort. you. All right, next question. I’m gonna fight him in the creator clash. This one is very subjective and pretty stupid, but it’s my favorite one. Okay. Why is Trevor on timeout? Why is Trevor on timeout? Like, why would you put him on timeout? Oh, I thought it was a riddle. Oh, no. A riddle. Why is Trevor on timeout? Why is Trevor on timeout? Lemme me think. What would Trevor be on timeout for? I’m trying to think if there’s anything that would actually be, ah. Trevor, do you remember one time I like, caught you doing something inappropriate at work. That sounds like you were Jeffrey Tubin’ it at work. Not that, I just know there was one time where like I like walked in, you were supposed to be doing something. I’m just gonna write it down. This is not the correct, ours aren’t gonna match at all. Yeah, yeah, ’cause I have no clue. All right, Josh goes first. I go first? Yeah. You’re watching League instead of doing your damn work. Do you remember that? You were supposed to be like ordering, or you were supposed to be doing receipts. You were supposed to be reconciling receipts and you were up in the loft and I just like walk up and like I Slacked you like one minute before, like, “Hey, you got those receipts?” And you’re like, “Oh yeah, I’m doing it right now.” And I walk up and you’re like reclined in a couch, just watching a League stream. And I sat there for like two minutes and then I was just like and you were like, and you like flip the laptop closed and like pull up the receipts thing, like, “Hey man, what’s up?” I don’t remember that at all. That’s really funny though. So yeah, that’s something that I would do. I put burnt the bread. Oh no! That’s just, that’s something that’s gonna happen. It’s happened before. It’ll happen again, man. I just think we’ve made jokes about if I have like let a bread sit in the oven for too long and gets too crispy on the bottom or something, it’s like, “Ah, Trevor’s on timeout, he burnt the bread.” No, that’s really, I don’t remember that at all. That must have been like really pretty early on into when I started working here if I was up in the loft. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was, it was, I mean, it’s definitely like pre-COVID. I mean you only worked here for like, what, four, three months before COVID hit? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I mean right now is about the time when I start livestreaming track and field in the office incessantly and I’ll just bring it into meetings. Sometimes I’ll just put a stream on and like, then like minimize the tab or just close it and do something else just to have like the noises in my ears, ’cause it’s like, nice. I don’t know, it’s comforting to have like, something on in the background. But that’s funny. Wow. What a terrible employee I was. Listen, we’ve we’ve all had our moments. We’ve all had our moments. But the great thing is now, Trevor, you’re a great employee and you’re a better friend. You’re a father, you’re a brother, you’re a son. You’re a damn good podcast host. Oh, thank you. I mean that, man. It’s been incredible watching this, the Minx episode specifically. I mean she really threw that hoop up to you and you just jammed it down. You know, she did bold work, but you sealed out the lane properly and that’s a basketball metaphor. Thank you for the basketball metaphor. And thank you for coming on the show. I genuinely had such an amazing time. This is great. Likewise, man. Everybody go listen to “A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich”. Josh is on there with Nicole, who, I think I’m gonna be actually coming on your show at some point. I’m gonna have Trevor on there to discuss other really deep topics. Yeah, such as? Goldfish vs. Cheez-Its. Goldfish vs. Cheez-Its. We will start talking about global politics and clinical depression rates, though. Like, it just comes up. That’s just the thing on “Hot Dog”. ‘Cause they start off with like a one line, like, this versus this. And then they talk about that for about five minutes. Suck people in, yeah. And then they just talk about whatever. You think we can stretch that to five minutes, man? ‘Cause obviously Cheez-Its are like, way better. No, Goldfish. That was just a little sneak peek, but seriously Josh’s podcast, Nicole and Josh are great. “A Hot Dog is a Sandwich,” great podcast. You should check it out. Follow Josh on Instagram for thirst traps. No more pictures of food, ’cause those don’t hit in the algorithm. Wait, hold on. I have a picture of the food that we made earlier today that I’m thinking about posting because it looks so sexual. Well, that was a sexual pizza. Sexual pizza. That should have been the name of my deathcore band. Oh, Sexual Pizza. Sexual Pizza. We’re Sexual Pizza. We’re here to rock. And then they go. They know where to find you. Yeah, Mythical Kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks, man. Well, if you know where to find me, then you know where to find Josh, but seriously, go listen to “A Hot Dog is a Sandwich”. Josh and Nicole have a great podcast. It’s very fun. They have a great back and forth. Josh and Nicole’s chemistry is honestly amazing. They’re hilarious together, but you know where to find him. Go follow him on whatever, if you’re not already, weirdo. Jamie, how do you think that went? I mean, that was great. It was really good to see the dynamic between you guys, ’cause like I’m not like, when we’re in the office and stuff, I’m in a very different office than like you guys are at. So I don’t really get to see your interactions that much except for on camera. So it’s just nice to see like full length conversations and like how easily it goes from jokey to serious. Yeah. Well, it’s funny because like, most people, like, only ever see Josh and I on camera and whenever we’re on camera together, cooking especially, we’re like, always doing bits. Like, there’s never like a conversation. Everything is like snappy and quick and just like back and forth. So yeah, I think it’ll be fun for people to see, like, what, you know, like a normal, that was a pretty normal conversation for me and him to have. It’s just, we recorded it. You know, it’s a podcast. But I would say that that wasn’t, nothing was like, “Oh my God, this is so weird talking to Josh like this,” like that felt pretty normal to me. Like just pretty fun, so. Yeah, and I like to see it. I like to see an actual, like, just really good chemistry conversation happening. Like, I mean, I guess that’s why I like to produce podcasts, but you know. Oh. But like this was more natural because it’s like someone you knew for a while. You like to produce podcasts, Jamie? I mean, it’s a- I bet you do. It’s a job, but. ‘Cause you’re really good at it. Aw. That was nice. Yeah, I know. Thank you, everyone, for listening to “Trevor Talks Too Much.” Listen every Tuesday, we got new episodes coming out and then the following Monday, we got the video version going out on YouTube. And make sure to leave a review or comment or whatever. Give me tips, I need ’em. And follow all the Mythical stuff. Follow me, follow Mythical, follow all of our TikTok pages. Go check out Mythical Kitchen, check out Mythicalpods on TikTok, check out all this stuff. Go check out “A Hot Dog is a Sandwich”. If you enjoyed me and Josh talking, you’ll probably really enjoy Josh and Nicole talking. So check that out. And big plug here coming in, very important at the end so I’m gonna spend a lot of time deliberating on it. MythiCon is happening. Mythical Convention. It’s happening in Austin from October 27th to 30th. It’s gonna be freaking amazing. It’s a whole, we basically got a whole Mythical town set up. We like rented this ranch and it’s like a huge, really cool event space. And we’re gonna Mythicalify the whole thing. There’s gonna be a ton of events. We got a live “A Hot Dog is a Sandwich”. We got a live “Trevor Talks Too Much”. We got Rhett and Link doing all the Rhett and Link stuff you could ask for. But yeah, there’s gonna be so much cool stuff there. Tickets are on sale now, so make sure to go check those out. And yeah, thank you everyone. Have a lovely week. I know I sure will. I’m going to get a massage later tonight. Sweet. That’ll be nice. And it’s your first time? First time. Well, getting like a professional one. But they don’t need to know that. I just, goodbye. It’s like the end of the outro, so I’m supposed to like say goodbye and I told them to have a good week and I. I’ll cut it and make it nice. No, I think we should leave it in. Okay. Goodbye, everyone.