He’s wearing me down! Welcome everyone to “Trevor Talks Too Much” the show where I bring on a guest, a person of interest, you could say, not like a criminal, and I talk to them, and I see if we can become friends, and if we can chat again sometime. I’m your host Trevor Evarts. I am the master baker, mythical swag lord, and captain of my high school basketball team for two years in a row. That’s right, I’m an athlete. Thank you everyone. Today I spoke with Sub Urban or Daniel the Conqueror, as he told me, he likes to be called. He’s a musician, a producer. You probably know him. You’ve heard his songs. He has Cradles, he has Uh-oh, he has Candyman. We had a phenomenal time. It was great. We talked about the difficulties of virality when it comes to the internet and specifically music. We talked about the differences between synthetic sound and organic sound in music, which was really cool. And we also yelled a lot, and we arm wrestled and there was a very fun, very exciting little musical bit at the end, that Sub Urban performed for us, which was very impressive and you don’t wanna miss it. It was amazing. Before we get into the show, though, the coolest thing ever is happening in Austin in October. October 27th-30th MythiCon is happening. Mythical Convention. It’s gonna be crazy. It’s the first time we’re ever doing it. So this is a convention that is all Mythical everything. We’re putting it on ourselves. We’re gonna be at like this ranch, and there’s gonna be so many cool things. There’s gonna be a ton of different activities, great food. There’s gonna be like beer gardens and stuff. There’s gonna be a ton of live podcasts. I’m gonna be doing a live podcast. Josh and Kohl are gonna be doing live podcast. Rhett and Link are gonna have a huge-mungus show. There’s gonna be karaoke. It’s it’s genuinely gonna be one of the most unique and cool events ever. I’m really excited for it. I am so pumped to meet people, to walk around, to have fun. It’s gonna be crazy. Tickets are on sale now, so go check it out. Go get your tickets. It’s gonna be something that you don’t wanna miss. Genuinely, like one of the coolest things that we’ve got going. We’ve been working on it forever and I’m so excited. Please go get tickets. It’s gonna be great. But yeah. Jamie, are you excited? I am so excited. I don’t even know what it’s gonna like, look like. I can’t bring my eyes to even fathom it, but it’s literally like a mythical town, almost. A mythical town. It’s gonna be… I don’t even know how to explain it. It’s gonna be so freaking cool. It’s literally gonna be a whole town of Mythicality. So yeah, go get your tickets. But for now let’s get into this show, I guess, yeah? Yeah, because it’s freaking high-larious. You heard it here first. Freaking high-larious. Let’s do it. So say hello, say hi to Sub Urban. My name’s Danny. You could better know me by Sub Urban. My name’s Sub Urban. I made songs. Yes. Songs. Musician. I’m a musician or something. Yeah, no, he’s great. Actually, we were shooting some videos ’cause I work over in the kitchen, the Mythical Kitchen. We do cooking videos. I put on some of your music and we were listening to it- Well I appreciate that. While cooking. It was great. It was a little vibe. Which one did you listen to? I don’t know. I just said, “Hey Alexa, play music by Sub Urban”, and she gave me some bangers. Yeah, that’s the one. That was definitely one of the ones. That is probably your most popular song, I imagine? It is my most popular. That was what put me on the map. Yeah. Put you on the map. It’s super great to have you here, man. Thank you. It’s exciting to have you in the studio. I’m excited to be here. When I was a teenager I used to watch, “Good Mythical Morning” quite a bit. So, I walked in here, I had no idea what I was doing. They were like, “Yeah, you’re doing a podcast or something.” And I was just like, okay. It was like my first day back from the middle of the tour, so I was just like, “Oh God, I don’t don’t wanna.” And then I saw the “Good Mythical Morning.” I was like, “Why didn’t you tell me?” Why didn’t didn’t you tell? “Why didn’t you tell me this was actually important to my lore” Imagine seeing “Good Mythical Morning” and being like a fan of “Good Mythical Morning”, and you’re like, “Oh my God, Rhett and Link”, and then you just show up and it’s me. Yeah. It’s just some, like, rando kid that like, Rhett and Link decided to give a show. Where are they? Yeah, can we get Rhett and Link in here? Well, if you wanted to, I believe Link does sit in that chair, occasionally. I think he was sitting in that chair this morning. No? What day is it? Wednesday? He was yesterday. You can give it a sniff, if you want. Yesterday. Please give it a sniff. That’s really good, sniffin’ the chair. That Link smell. It really gets me. So sadly, that’s as close as you’re gonna get to Link today. I’m sorry. That’s all I needed. I think this is actually one of Link’s old shirts, so. Don’t tempt me, man. Don’t tempt me. You had to tackle me out of the chair. Good slurp. Next question. Well, so you’re a musician. That is what I would call your career. Yeah, I think. Yeah. So you make music. How much music do you make? How many musics have you made? I made a few hundred. Few hundred. That’s quite a few. Like, are we talking like notes? Bars? If you were talking notes then thousands, but if we’re talking about projects started in Ableton, then a few hundred, probably. Maybe a thousand. That’s a lot. I’ve been doing this since I was 14. I produce music. I make all the instrumentals to my songs. I’ve started working with other people since I entered the industry. Because at first, when I entered in, I was like, “How is nobody here? 100% are like me? I’m a genius.” And then I realized like, holy , if you’re an artist, you have no time to do actually anything because you’re constantly doing podcasts, like this one- I’m sorry. Without Rhett or Link! I’m sorry. I could show you the set after this, if you want. That’s not enough! I’m sorry. I wish I could be better. I really do. Be better. Honestly, this is something that I struggle with every time we bring a guest in- I’m . They’re like, “Oh my God, this is where ‘Good Mythical Morning’ is!” And I’m like, “yeah, but you just get me. You just get little ol’ me.” I enjoy you so much, so far, so much, so far. That makes me really happy. I’m enjoying this. But yeah, I’ve been producing. I started singing when I was a teenager, and then I got really lucky with that blanc, blanc, blanc “Cradles” song when I was 19, and that blew up on TikTok. That was one of the pioneers before the meta became every song that you hear now has to pass through the TikTok filter of fame. And then everybody in the music industry got really, really lazy and confused, and didn’t know how to proceed after Justin Bieber happened. So I mean, honestly, like Lil Nas X changed the game. Doja Cat, too. Like you log on, make a meme song, and then suddenly like, wow, you’re a goddamn superstar. Yeah. I didn’t do that. Anyway. Yeah, that song, it gave me a lot of insight on me as a person after the fact. Because I really realized like, wow, a lot of these fans of mine, that I am now garnering, are incredibly socially awkward. Abysmally hopeless teenagers. And I was just like, wow, this is exactly the mind state I was in when I made this song, so that kind of worked. Dude, I’ve been to a Joji concert. Trust me. I love Joji. I love Joji, too. I love Joji. Filthy Frank was a big inspiration to me as a child trying to entertain people on the internet. But when I saw him like, move to music, it was like, huh, there’s a greater scope to entertainment as a whole, especially with YouTube. I just feel like, unfortunately, YouTube, you’re going to like inevitably become super corporate. Yeah. Like even with “Good Mythical Morning”, and I ain’t calling them out, just like it started, probably, like super DIY like Smosh. Super DIY like, and then suddenly it’s like, okay, we have to keep making money. Yeah. Well, I mean- It’s like really sad, but I think the same exact thing like happens for anybody who wants career longevity. So it’s just like, even a bunch of TikTok stars now, becoming, like, musicians. Like, for example, Bella Poarch, who I work with. It’s just like people recognize that the entryway to someone’s heart is through their ears and or mouth. Yeah, no, I mean, you’ve seen the studio, obviously, probably walked through it a little bit. We have, like, over a hundred employees here, all to produce the same “Good Mythical Morning” show. that’s started in- It’s silly. Ah so funny. Ah. It’s so silly and goofy. I mean, it started in Rhett and Link’s garage. Really? I didn’t know that that’s some Zuckerberg . Yeah. That’s some- I’m pretty sure they were in their garage when they started. Back in the Carolina region of the country. Wow, what kind of mics were they recording on? Dude, I don’t even know if they had a microphone. Just on the phone? Wait- Who knows. That was like the Wild West. Were phones a thing back then. Those old Those old farts. They were recording on the flip phone. They’re such dads. It’s so funny, ’cause people are like, “Are Rhett and Link as crazy as they come across on the show?” I’m like, no. They like, have families. They get done with their- No dude, was where the charm was to me as a kid. It was just like, wow, these guys are like, they’re societal peak. Yeah. Like this is the kind of man we should all strive to be. Really. Like, they just get done with their silly internet show- Silly, so silly. And they go home to their wives and kids. Make love to them. Love to them. They do. No, Rhett, I think actually in a “Mythical Kitchen” episode, talked about going down on his wife. So you know he’s a man of class. Classy. Yeah. He’s a good guy. Prioritize. He’s a good guy. No, for sure. I was actually gonna ask you, I mean, you kind of already talked about it, but like just being a musician in the TikTok era. Yeah, it’s awful, it’s terrifying, and hopeless, and dreary, and hilarious. You heard it here first. It’s so soulless. I mean I- Those Chinese algorithms, oh hoho, Those Chinese algorithms will get your children to be socialist, incredibly socialist, and or incredibly capitalist. They log on there- There’s no in between. they see someone just talking about the downfall of capitalism and their seven year-old brains are like, “Ah. What?” And they hear Cradles and they’re like, “I feel good, I think.” And then I make money. And then you make money. So that’s how I- That’s how it goes. And then I put all those that money into music videos and make no profit, and then piss off my record label. What are you gonna do? I mean, it’s such an awful cycle of just like- It’s an awful cycle- Just chasing- Virality. Just chasing virality. Literally, that’s it. I mean- You want to have a moment. You wanna cut through everybody’s bullshit every single time, and it’s only going to last so long unless you’re like, the biggest artist possible. And even then, they’re struggling now because the retention of the internet has just spiraled into this like, “oh, what happened? Oh, this happened. Oh my God. Oh what? Oh, oh, Will Smith? Oh! That’s over. I don’t care about that anymore.” It’s like, there’s just this constant death clock of like, childish mind within even adults. And it’s just like, you have to somehow figure out the balance between like the intrigue, I’ve been saying this for a while, but the intrigue of others versus your own to prioritize your own happiness as an entertainer. You have to know like, okay, this is what’s really like, catching people’s eyes. Even something as stupid as, like right now, “Oh, the color green. It’s springtime. Oh, this like…” Little stupid micro trends, that like hypnotize people. And you like try to involve that in your visuals. You try to involve that within your music somehow, or within whatever, it doesn’t even have to be music. And then those things are constantly changing and you have to like, predict the thing that happens after the thing. And it just gets really tiring when you realize everyone’s just starting to become way more globalized and starting to do the same things more often than not. And you never get to enjoy anything that you make, ’cause as soon as you make that thing- You have move on. You have to move on. Even if it does catch, you’re already thinking about okay, what’s the next thing I can do to capitalize on that. It’s such a grind. Yeah, and it’s like, if you’re not involved in social media, you know… The whole sense of mystery has dissipated from the music industry, you know? Like from the nineties to 2000s it was like, oh yeah, you can’t reach these people. And then now you see big-ass artists like 24kGoldn, Kid LAROY, and like, Lil Nas X, and Doja Cat, I mean, Bella Poarch for one, they’re on like, TikTok and their face has to be in people’s minds or else they’ll loose… I get it. Like, whenever I go on like a six month hiatus, I like, come back and then I’d like, okay, “what’s gonna make people laugh.” I like ignore all the micro trends and just like focus on like, okay, what’s gonna make people like, pay attention for a second? And it’s just like, the first comment is like, “wow, forgot you were alive.” Yeah. Wow. Forgot you were alive. It’s been two weeks! Yeah, dude, there’s anxiety though. Like, I mean, I get it all the time and I’m very- I’m actually mentally ill. Yeah, I’m like, thankful that I work at a place where I just have a paycheck. Like, it’s not the same for like, other content creators, but if a video doesn’t get as many views for us, it doesn’t matter. It’s not like I’m seeing less money in my paycheck because I work at a big production company. But like even- You’re still like involved, though, in thinking about, like, that’s part of your job… It’s like, how do I bring it in? Otherwise, you know, you’ll get fired, but like, that’s a whole other thing. Yeah. No it is for sure. But like even anxiety on like- I’m gonna get you fired. No, don’t get me fired. I’m gonna get you fired. No, please Rhett and Link, don’t fire me. Let me smell your shirt. But like, the anxiety that I get where I’m like, I haven’t tweeted like, in a week, or I haven’t tweeted something funny or posted on Instagram. And it’s like, oh my God, if I don’t do it, people are gonna like, not care about me. And it’s like- And then you’re also at with these like, actual robots that are managing like the algorithms of like what people are seeing and like, what’s popular. And like, you’re literally in this weird race for like, when they notice you stop posting, then they like, punish you. They’re like, yeah, you’re not gonna get any likes. All right, he just updated Instagram. The entire feed is now just ads and pages you don’t follow anymore because we don’t give a about you. It’s so awful. Yeah. So it’s like, you see your like count, get like, halved and then like goes up really quickly. And then you lose a ton of followers because like, a ton of followers were like, dormant and stagnated for a while because they didn’t realize you were alive because your wasn’t getting in their like, curated feed. It’s insane. But other than that, I’m still like just surfin’ the waves. I’m having a lot of fun just making music. Good, man. Like, as negative and whatever technology is, it’s always going to be like hopeful to me because it’s like, it’s technology dude. I’m not gonna be one of those boomers at this age already. You need to get off the computer there, sonny. It’s gonna- Back in my day, I used to go outside and stare at a log. Stare at a log It’s just like- Toad on a log. No, I mean, we get really nihilistic about it too, sometimes, where we’re just like, oh God, we’re just slaving away. Like, we have this joke where it’s like, we make one video and it’s like, all right, that’s one more video closer to the end of content. That’s one video closer to the end of… Before the hive of mind. Before the singularity happens, and we all have Neuralink, and we’re all just thinking the same speech bubble, until there’s just a shining light and we realize that’s heaven. We’re in heaven. Sorry. I went on a tangent there. That’s okay. That’s the whole show. I love… That’s the whole show, is tangents. content. Wow, don’t I love content. But I mean, we are really lucky, like- Am I making you laugh right now? Are you making me… You wanna hear my music, kid? Come on. It’s great, I mean- My name’s Sub Urban, haha. Remember that there’s a space between Sub and Urban, so I get noticed by Google. Chevy… But like, I mean, we can be sitting at a desk and slaving away looking at spreadsheets for 40 hours a week until the day we retire. I make music on Excel. Okay, well, thanks for ruining my shining comment. It was gonna be so profound and heartwarming… Okay, finish. Finish. Finish what you’re saying? No, no. There’s nothing to finish now. Everybody just slaves away. Everything is a grind. I just wanna go live in the woods. Been thinking about it, but that’s just- Wanna pull a Hoosier. You know too much. Like, I went on a walk in the woods the other day. We made a stop in our like, tour Sprinter, and it was just like, wow. I was looking at moss on trees in like the middle of like, I don’t know, Seattle or Oregon. I was just like, this is beautiful. I really wish I was on mushrooms right now, but… It was more so like, just realizing the color green was like, giving me actual good feelings and just like you know, normal reflection of like, oh, I live in a house. That’s why I’m always depressed. It’s like, no, this is like, I need to just force myself to go out. But then, you know, you have those intrusive thoughts of like, what if this was every day? What if I was happy all the time? What if I just fish? What if there was no existential thoughts, and I just didn’t care about art? What is art? Who cares about art? I’m just gonna fish. I’m just going to eat berries until I die because I picked the wrong one. But then you realize like, no you can’t, because you were born already into the matrix and it’s actually just like, you know too much to be able to settle. Because you’re just gonna be constantly thinking about like, huh? I wonder what they’re up to out there in the Big Apple. I wonder what they’re up to right now. What’s going on? What’s going on on all those screens? Wow, I love colors because I love picking berries. Wow, I wish I was seeing more colors. I wish I was seeing a lot of colors. That’s why the middle ground, the middle ground is Stardew Valley. You’re right. . The middle ground, living in the digital age, is you get on your computer and you boot up Stardew Valley, and you go fish. I’m engaged right now. Go fish, and you’re like, wow, what a serene- When am I gonna get a tug? peaceful environment. And then you turn off your computer, and you come back to the real world, and you make your silly little songs, and your- Silly little songs. And content, I love content. Dude, I can’t. Content is like, I hate that word so much. It’s the worst. Every time I hear content, I just seize up. When do you think the word content is gonna change? Never. Linguistically? Never, dude. I don’t know, We’ve replaced a few words that were like, way more common in the past. Sorry. That’s good, right into the mic. If you get closer to the mic next time actually. Ah. That’s good. You could just put your mouth around it. I don’t have another one. Aww. Ow, every time I do it, my jaw cramps. Whenever you try. Oh, when you- It’s girthy. Yeah. It’s a girthy mic. A lot of diameter on this boy. Yeah. I’m thankful. I’m thankful that my job is to make cooking videos and to talk to cool people on a podcast. Wow, you think I’m cool? I think you’re cool. Yeah. I appreciate that. I was like, when watching your videos, I was like, oh, this guy is gonna love Trevor. Why? Because- Wait, which videos? On TikTok? Or like on- You TikTok videos, but also like your music videos, like, “Uh oh”, it’s just like, so- “Uh oh” was fun, yeah. It’s like, so creepy and like, weird. But Trevor likes- Are you saying I’m creepy and weird? that kind stuff. Are you saying creepy and weird? No, you’re not- You kinda look like Glen from “Uh oh”. Did you watch the “Uh oh” video? Are you completely lost on what I’m saying right now? I am, actually. Totally fair. It’s Jamie’s fault because what she does is, she makes me these fun little sheets on Google Docs, where she writes down facts about the guests and then she’ll link me things to watch, but she didn’t link me that video, so it’s her fault. Uh- That’s totally fair. There was a fact about it. I read a fact about it. It’s not a fact. You’re lying, Jamie. You’re literally lying. It’s it’s not a fact, but- It’s a TikTok idea! Stop fighting, Mom, Dad. No. Please. No, that’s what we do on the show. That’s the bit. Jamie and I always fight, ’cause I’m the villain of the show- Throw down. Right on. And Jamie’s the hero of the show. Can we get an arm wrestle right now between you guys? Is that possible? I would destroy Jamie. Yeah, he probably would. I like, look noodley, but I’ve actually got like a bit of strength. For some reason I win like, a good amount of arm wrestles, like, even though I don’t have any strength it’s- Yeah, I don’t either. I just, I know how to look at someone a certain way and weaken them, just from… Yeah, just a gaze. An icy stare. I don’t blink the whole time I’m arm wrestling someone because eventually I penetrate that cornea. Eventually I penetrate the soul. Do you wanna arm wrestle? No- It’s not the first time I’ve done it. I’m not strong enough. You’re really big. I was like, is that going to become a new thing on the show? You’re really girthy. Yeah, you’re not the first person I’ve arm wrestled on the show. So let me… Okay. Let’s do it. I mean, I’m gonna lose probably. You gotta move your laptop, Trevor. I’m gonna set the standard right now. I gotta move my laptop? Yeah, we gotta see the action. Right off the bat I’m gonna tell you, I got hyperhidrosis. I got hyperhidrosis. You feel that moisture? You feel that? Yeah. Oh god, yah, that’s nice. You like that? Yeah, it’s slippery right now. I’m clammy right now. It’s cold in here. You like this? Yeah. I’m gonna call it out. All right, ready? Three, two, one, go. Ooh. Ah. You’re wearing me down. It’s a war of attrition! I don’t care about you or your family. Oh my gosh. I’m just making my- Oh no. Oh, . He’s huge. That was intense, guys. My whole arm is tingling. Oh my God. I’ve never seen- I let go for a second because, you know, that invasive thought of like, the ligaments snapping on like, skinny dudes when arm wrestling, Like I’ve seen way too many of those Instagram videos. Oh man, I have never seen- So I was just thinking like, huh, this is not worth it. That was a war of attrition. And he won. I was like, if I can just hold on- It’s a mental game. when you did your final push, if I can just hold on, I might be able to close this out. Oh my God. My whole arm is tingling. Okay, What were we were we talking about- I was putting in 30%. before that? What? Sorry, what? Well, I have like, a grip mark from him on my like, hand. That’s crazy. I’m like, still shaking. My hands, I mean. I’m like, have naturally like pretty shaky hands. You have naturally beautiful hands, man. Thank you. They’re wonderful. I’ve got large knuckles. That’s very- I’ve got like large.. It’s annoying with rings because a lot of times I’ll get a ring and then I’ll put it on- And it’ll get stuck on it? But yeah, then a ring, if it fits like, around the base good, then it always gets stuck on the knuckle. But if it like fits well over the knuckle, then it’s loose around the base. Those are sick. Dude, this one’s a puzzle ring. All right, Can I see? So you like fit it back together. That’s actually sick, honestly. It will bend though, so don’t try to force it or anything. I’m not gonna force it. I’m not gonna, um- No, no! Yeah, but it like, you can- I’ll do it on my pinky. That’s good. That’s good. He did it. Nice work. I’m gonna keep this. I earned this. No, no, I just got it. I got it at the Renaissance fair. At the Renaissance… Yeah, it was sick. nerd! No, I dressed up as a knight. I got, like a $30 night costume on Amazon. That’s funny. Yeah, it was pretty great. It was so hot. It was like 97 degrees out. Was it like metal? Oh, no. $30 for a full metal suit? I don’t know, like- That would’ve been sick. aluminum goes a long way. What’s the weirdest instrument you play? I don’t really play. I mean, I played the theremin recently. That was fun. I kind of like learned it really quickly, but I sounded bad. The what? The theremin. You know, it’s like a graph style. Like, it senses where your hand is in relation to two different axises. One controls volume, and one controls pitch. What? That’s how they made like all the like, sci-fi noises back in the sixties, like the oo, oo, oo, oo. Oh. Oh! Yeah. This little diddy. This little diddy. This guy. I had no clue. That’s so cool. Yeah, that was pretty fun, but if we’re talking about like, working on music, I don’t really use instruments very often. Like, I use some digital stuff like the Mellotron, like digital adaptation. And then like a Nord and some like, modular synths that I barely even know how to use. But like, I’m mostly a digital person when it comes to making music. Like, I re sample things all the time, but I will say that in my upcoming album “Hive”, you should already be listening to “Hive”, I did sample that one sex moan. I use that a lot actually, in a lot of my music, you will never know because- Wait, the one that’s like, in the memes? Yeah. The one that’s- Yeah. That was a bad imitation, but- No, that was great. I think it served its purpose. But I actually use that quite a bit because there’s like, a square wave that happens from the distortion when you like warp it and stretch it. Like, you can tinker with anything. You can make anything sound like anything with the right, like, level of processing, and re sampling, and whatever the hell. Just transient shaping. And I made like, a really cool sounding, like dark lead. We actually kind of like stuck it in there for a second. Like, in context, you can’t hear it, but if you solo it, you’re like, wait, that’s literally just a moan. That’s just actually a sex moan. Hey, I’m into it. But no one will ever know. No one’s ever gonna know. It’s our little secret. It’s our little secret. And anyone whoever listens to this. Yeah. Try to find it. Look for it. Look for it. What’s your opinion on the use of synthesizers in modern music? Do you think that there’s too much? Do you think there’s too little? Do you think there’s just the right amount? There’s always a waging war against like, what is artificial versus like not? It’s all artificial. Or it’s all natural. Like it’s just sound. It’s just wiggly. My job is making people feel things with wiggly air. How disgraced do I feel to my parents knowing that that’s where my money came from? That’s . It’s just like, the difference between synthesizers and organic is really, obviously, organic there’s multiple levels of like timbre that you’re recording. When it comes to a guitar, you’re not only hearing the pluck of the string, the resonance of the string, you’re hearing like, the bang of like the body. You’re hearing like, not only that, but you’re hearing your finger move on the fret. There’s different levels of like, dynamic use to it. Like, there’s actual different dimensions. Like for example, with a piano, you have the like three dimensions. That is the scale that you’re playing on, you have how hard you’re hitting it, so that’s a velocity, and then you have like the pedal, which there’s sometimes three pedals There’s one that soft. So there’s just like, four dimensions. But there’s one that softens it, and then there’s one that lifts the covers so that the hammers can just ring out and that makes like a legato. With a guitar. You have like seven or eight different, not even, Like, when you get to classical guitar you’re just like, there’s so many different levels of dynamics. And the one thing I’ll say right now is synthesizers can only do so much, because what a synthesizer is… I’m gonna give you guys a synthesizer class because I know so much about synthesize… It’s just routing. You put a signal in and it’s routed through a bunch of random things that make the sound sound . Like, you could start with a square wave, with a sine wave, which are like the, the triangle wave. Those are like the most basic waves we figured out where like, if you actually look at the wave, the reason why they’re called what they are is because they literally are shaped like that. A sine wave is like, parabolic. A square wave is like perfect jagged teeth. Triangle is like, right triangles. Maybe I was doing that backwards to the camera, but. Then you have like, a whole subset of things that people figured out, and then you have, like a wave table. So there’s like two different like, sides to it. Like, you can actually combine how the wave fluctuates. And eventually you have like funny little signals that sound like Mario, like eight bit stuff. That’s what those sound like. And then you just start putting it through dumb things like filters, and amps, and like, distortion drive. And eventually you can get something sounding organic. If you’re smart enough and you know how like, the frequency range works and dependent on what you’re putting it through. Eventually you can get things to sound like the pizzicato of a violin. But it will always be inherently a little alien because our brains pick up these things. The one thing I’ll say is probably the most difficult thing to synthesize right now, regardless of VOCALOIDs and , vocals. Because we’re engineered, that’s our mating song. Like, we’re engineered to literally detect, like, that’s a fake thing. That is fake. It’s like, the same thing with like faces. Like, why is it so hard to get like Pixar to like, make like, real skin? Like, our brains are programmed to like, recognize the different layers, like, the actual opacity of how the light hits a skin. Otherwise we get like, weird Toy Story… Like, I almost said Silicon Valley. Might as well be- Uncanny Valley. Uncanny Valley. Same thing happens with music, like, people will recognize because of just how old the guitar is, or the piano is, they’ll recognize, and that’s why the piano is actually the easiest thing to, not synthesize, but to re sample, because it’s only three dimensional. But with a guitar, for some reason, people can pick up when it’s like a fake guitar. At least like, if they’re like involved in music, they’ll be like, there’s just less dimension to this. So, you know, I like doing a mixture of both. You need tradition and you need a little bit of futurism in order to, to get a nice middle ground of something fresh and new. Because sometimes people go a little too far with the electronica, and then sometimes people go a little too far with the folk, and it’s just like, it’s whatever you wanna hear, honestly, in the moment. You just want to hear wiggly air and someone will deliver that to you. But I like doing both because I think it’s fresh. I think taking vintage things and putting them in with new things and then just it up. That’s how I make music. I’m a big fan of a nice, gnarly synth breakdown. Just real, real late eighties, early nineties. A little Asia- The eighties was one of the most points of music, because if you actually like, think about it, they were figuring out so many new techniques. Like same with the 2000s. They were figuring out so many different techniques of like, just the raw sounding synthesizers where it’s like, yeah, yeah, this is good, and then like only so many of them age well. And that happens with every single like, generation, but specifically with the 80s, because it was such a new concept. Like, synthesizers were around in the 60s, and 70s, maybe even the 50s. if I’m thinking right. Did you know the Nazis invented synthesize? Anyways, but when- I take back what I said. But when you go forward in time, like you have like, I think it was Clockwork? Kraftwerk. Whatever, I’m uncultured as hell. You have like, a random electronica groups that were basically doing like, what Daft Punk was. No, Daft Punk imitated that type of stuff. Like, they took pride in the electronica, in the like sound of like, oh, this is artificial. And that was their sense of futurism. Just as right now, we have our sense of futurism with like, even genres, like hyper pop. Like, you like hearing synthetic vocals because it’s intriguing. It’s cool. But back then in the 80s it’s like, they were trying to like figure out to use like, reverbs on like, saw waves and like, programed drums. And it was just like, it sounded so bad sometimes. But we inherently go back to the 80s and are like, wait, I like that sound because it reminds me of something I heard before. And it’s like the whole nostalgia chain of like, this sounds good because it’s bad because it’s good because it’s bad. And it just never ends. And the same thing’s gonna happen to Trap music in like, I’m not gonna say 20 to 30 years because things are going way too fast. Maybe it won’t even happen to Trap music. Maybe everything’s just gonna be constantly cultivated and curated from this point on. So every single wave is happening at the same time. There’s no monoculture, nothing else is happening. So you got a lot of big weapons. Sorry. I love ranting. No. That’s okay. About things that I don’t even understand. Can you rant about the big weapons, ’cause I’d love to hear about those. I am an on the FBI watch list. Really? I have threatened multiple important peoples in Instagram DMs, and it wasn’t until recently, I’m kidding. I have no idea. No, yeah, the big weapons? Shock value wins people. Like, obviously the concept has been done before, but like, it’s just funny when you’re posing with like, you’re like flexing the gun in the mirror, but then it’s different when it’s like a musket or like, an ax. And it’s just like, yeah, don’t with me. Like, I have an Israeli bazooka. It’s like, where do you go from there? Do you, do you know who Sanchovies is? No. Oh, okay. He’s like a streamer, but he got banned on Twitch recently ’cause lives in Canada, and you say in- Because he lives in Canada. No- those Canadians. them. I’m not even gonna go down that road. No, when you said, got put on a watch list- I’m Canadian, by the way. He- Safety net. He’s having a ton of problems with his, like ISP, his internet. And he was on a Twitch stream and he was like, having internet issues and just jokingly, he was like- his ISP is called like Rogers- and he’s like, I’m literally gonna bomb Roger’s headquarters, ’cause he was so mad. Just like, as a joke, and he got banned for it. Yeah, I had friends like back in the day who like, and friends of friends, who just, if they got like, banned on Microsoft or like, Call of Duty, they would like, call like, the headquarters and be like, I’m gonna bomb you tonight. I’m gonna arrange something. And then they would literally like, one person had police pull up to their house. It’s just so mind boggling because like, on one hand, like yeah, it’s good to be safe. On the other hand, it’s like, this kid doesn’t know anyone. What are you? They’re just obviously like… but they have to assess the threat. Yeah. This guy plays League of Legends for a living, You think he’s- Swatting is also insane. Like, the whole concept of like, just calling a police station and just being like, yeah so like, this address, this random address, I’m Anonymous by the way, they have weapons there. They have hostages. You should march down there and do something about it. And then just an old man dies because , like, they have no protocol. They, they have no protocol for… Dude, they’re like, trained to shoot your dog on site, If they like show any sort of like reluctance towards a bunch of dudes marching into their home with riot shields. Like, what the hell? Don’t kill my dog because I like, killed you on Call of Duty. Like, that’s just crazy to me. There’s so many psychopaths. Literally, people that like have ever done that, have ever swatted anyone, are literally the scum of the earth. That’s just like, one of the worst things you can do to someone. It really is, and it’s just insane because it’s just like, so easy and accessible. Like I’m gonna SWAT you tomorrow, or this week, honestly, because I hate you. Please don’t. I have a roommate and I don’t think he’d be cool. Do you have a dog? I don’t have a dog. I do have a snake. That snake’s getting murked dude. That snake’s getting beep murked. They aren’t even gonna know I have a snake ’cause he likes to hide under his little log in his tank, and so he just kind of curls up under there. Threat assess. So, yeah, like what’s in this tank? What’s in this tank. What’s in this tank. Who’s in this. We got an unauthorized reptile in there? Get him! I’m just like laying in my bed like, “Meatloaf, help me!” You’s named meatloaf? Yeah. Name ’em after something girthy. Meatloafs don’t have to be girthy. A meatloaf, really, if you think about it, is just a lot of meatballs mashed together or- I don’t think that’s what a meatloaf is. It’s like a book of hamburger patties. I don’t think that’s what a meatloaf- ‘Cause if you took a meatloaf and you sliced it- I think you’re crazy. That’s a burger patty. Can you stop gas lighting me? No, that’s stupid. I literally went to culinary school. I know what the I’m talking about. What the are you even… There’s bacon strips on the outside. That’s different, dude. What? Meatloaf? You wrap your meatloafs in bacon. Oh yeah. Back in Jersey we go crazy, dude. Yeah? That sounds pretty crazy, dude. Oh, I always thought that was like the meta for meatloaf. The meta? Bro- Damn, okay. Hold on, we gotta get into the meatloaf meta, here. No, you’re crazy. Kinda spices are you rocking with, bro? You got any paprika goin’ in there? I was about to say, that’s the go-to for a meatloaf. Paprika is funny ’cause it just, it just tastes red. There’s no like- It does. Paprika is just dried red bell pepper. It tastes red. And red is a good color for food. Yeah, red is a good color. You know what’s the best color for food, though? Like a nice yellowy brown. Like what kind of food? Like breading. Like cheese. Like egg. Maybe like a nice corn bread. Like a nice corn. I see that color and I just think yummy, yummy. Yellow. Have you ever had a aji Amarillo? What the are you even saying? Get outta my country. It’s one of the Peruvian mother peppers. It’s great. Dude, I don’t- It’s really hard to get ’em in the United States, though. Danny, our coworker, he’s got a hookup. He’s got a hookup for the- Yeah, there’s a guy, apparently in the OC, whose mom like smuggled aji Amarillo seeds into the country. Dude, that’s a big word for a food. Can you just you just like, say it shorter? It’s yellow. It’s a Peruvian yellow pepper. Yeah. That sounds tasty. It’s really good. Peruvian peppers. Remember that Drake and Josh episode? Drake and Josh episode! The Peruvian puff pepper. Is that what it is, technically? No. I don’t even know if a Peruvian puff pepper is a real thing. They made that up. I think they had to. They made that up. They had to. ‘Cause I did a recipe with aji Amarillo and I was literally thinking the same thing. I was like, this is like a Peruvian puff pepper. I’ve been behind this mic the whole time like, hiding my face. Is that- That’s okay. I’m sorry. I just realized. No, I do the same thing. Continue. I wanted to get arm mics. I asked. Apparently someone, maybe Rhett and Link said no. So that I could just move it around. And this would be so much nicer if I could just, hey, pull it closer. ‘Cause then I could lean back and I could be chill and like, “Hey, how’s it going?” Ah, it’s ergonomic. And when I want to sit up, and I like, push it forward. But now I have to hold it like an idiot, in my hand. Stupid. It’s dumb. I honestly kind of feel like the sound is better when you guys do that. Turn the beat on. Really? Sound is better? You heard it here first. We gotta hold the mics for the rest of the show like this. No, I feel like that’s gonna get your arms tired. What I love about these mic bases, I’m not sure if you’re EQing this, but what I love about these is you can really hear the sheer rage in the base of… I keep a empty cereal bowl with a spoon in it on my desk at home. So when I play games- yeah, that’s exactly- I slam my hand when something bad happens, and you just hear this spoon rattle in the bowl, ’cause it’s just perfect every time. Just one slap and you just hear the spoon like cling. This is literally what the I used to do to my friends. Like, it was so much funnier when you do that It’s so much funnier, just keep an empty bowl- That’s like, a streamer technique. That is an actual technique. Literally. If you’re funny- What kind of cereal do you fill in it? Do you use milk? No, you can’t use milk. No. No, I don’t use milk. Cinnamon Toast Crunch. I actually don’t eat cereal with milk. Really? I eat all my cereal dry. Yeah, I’m a dry man. That’s like, fair. I started as a kid because I was like, eh, cow milk in my grains. I don’t know. That was like always like a weird thing. Even though my mother made me drink, like, warm milk twice a day as a kid. Really? Yeah. When I woke up and when I went to bed because they were like, “Calcium, calcium.” When In fact, like drinking too much milk can actually like, brittle your bones over time. But, vegan fact of the day, I’m not even vegan, I just know a lot of things. Yeah, no, I was never a milk kid. I hated drinking milk. The dairy industry’s lying to you, man. There’s no good cholesterol. There’s no bad cholesterol. Dietary science is completely fake. You want to get buff? You gotta eat beef all the time. Jordan Beaderson? I hate the keto diet. So much. I hate it. Oh my God. I hate the keto diet. It’s so dumb. It’s like, oh my God, I can eat 12 strips of bacon, every meal, every day, and lose weight. Like you’re just tricking your body into thinking that it’s dying so that it has to burn fat. Is that actually what’s happening? You’re culinary scientist, I assume. The keto diet is so dumb. And because what people do, there’s like technically a healthy way to do it, but ketosis is the process that a diabetic- That’s why it’s called keto? Yeah, because when a person’s diabetic and they don’t have enough sugar in their body, their body goes into state of ketosis, which is where they’re like, we literally need glucose for the brain to work, so we’re gonna rapidly burn this fat that’s in your body to get like, the nutrients that you need. And people that go on the keto diet, they’re like, I can just eat bacon all day long, and then they’re tricking their body into being like, holy shit, you’re not giving us the nutrients we need. So I need to rapidly burn this fat off to keep you alive. I knew that’s how keto worked, but I didn’t realize that’s kind of like, borderline like, dying. Like you like actually freaking, yeah. It is! It’s so dumb. And then as soon as people stop the keto diet and they’ve been eating unhealthy and they have all these terrible eating habits, then they just put all the weight back on because their body’s like, oh, you’re finally giving me the stuff I need to get. So I can- I never even thought about the habitual, like, consequence of that. That’s actually insane. Literally, it’s so dumb. There’s a healthy way to do it, and ketosis, like, a lot of like diabetic people need to do it. And sometimes it is the right diet for someone. But there’s so many people just do it in such an unhealthy way that it’s like, it’s so stupid. It’s just calories in, calories out. Calories in, calories out and just being an a semi-active person is 95% of the battle. It’s like, if you wanna be healthy, just like, don’t over consume calories. Like as long as you’re not just overeating a ton and like sitting in one spot, like. But like, eat what you want, but if you’re like trying to lose weight super fast, for whatever reason, and you’re just like, putting your body into this really unhealthy state, it’s terrible for you. Just eat what you like. Yeah, so- It’s so dumb. Twinkies 24/7. I love Big Macs. God, Big Macs are… I’m an American. Dude, Big Macs, tell you what, Big Mac hits on a road trip. Dude, literally, first ever tour. I’ve been experiencing a burger like every other night, and it’s been like, I’m really tired of it, honestly. I don’t like it. Really? Yeah, no. This is my one free day from tour so far. I’ve only done two shows so far, and you’re actually- And you’re spending it with me? Literally, yeah. Yeah. That’s so sweet. I miss my girlfriend and my family and my friends. You should have brought ’em all. We could’ve had a party. Oh, they’re over there, dude. Shut up! You stay in the corner. This is my personal life. Don’t dox me! But yeah, tour’s been crazy meeting like, fans and . But, like, I got two canceled tours up to now. Like COVID screwed me over. I was about to tour with Melanie Martinez and Young Blood. And then I was about to tour with Bella Poarch. And then we were like, ah, COVID, COVID, it’s COVID. But actually the second time was because I didn’t finish like any music for either of our projects. That I needed to finish producing a lot of it. That’s tough, man. But that’s just music, man. I’m slow as hell. They hate me. I deliver product. There is a certain point where you can’t force it, you know? Like the creative juices. It’s so funny because I always try to time, like, the cycle of like, creativity. But like, for all I know, like, I’m gonna have like a death in the family. I’m just gonna be like depressed for like, five years. I’m gonna have to like take ayahuasca to like, come back to myself. And then who knows? It’ll awaken like my ability to realize like, wow, music is super stupid wiggly air. I’m gonna become a chef like you. Yeah, don’t do it. Don’t do it. Unless you work for a silly YouTube channel. A silly YouTube channel. ‘Cause that’s, that’s where the fun is. I was in the service industry for like a little bit before I started here, and- Yeah, how was that? It’s the worst thing ever. Yeah, I can imagine. It’s just like, the worst hours, the angriest people. Like, customers, God, the average consumer in America- Where’s my drink. So dumb. How am I supposed to eat this without my drink? My diet Dr Kelp. My diet Dr… Oh, you do a good Patrick Warburton, I’ve heard. It was the thing I posted on TikTok. Oh, it was like a, “Whoa, nice .” Peter. Peter. Peter. Peter. Peter. Has he ever narrated like, a nature documentary because that would- He should. Yeah, he should. Him and Snoop should do one together. ‘Cause when Snoop did that, like, late night show- Call of Duty Ghost. Oh wait, no, nevermind. Wait who are we? Snoop Dog. Snoop Dog, yeah. Snoop dog. He put out a pack for Call of Duty Ghosts once. Really? Where they changed the narrator to the entire game, and he was like- The worst Call of Duty game of all time is the one that Snoop got on. The Sergeant from, I forgot the movie . Like, they did multiple like different narrators, and Snoop was like, “Yo, that was up.” He did like a nature documentary, like narrated one. I feel like it was on like on, a late-night show or something. He did one as like a joke, but he was like, there was like meerkats popping up. He was like, “Oh, he just poppin’ outta now.” I don’t know. I can’t do it. Actually. I’ve seen that one. I’ve seen that one. Yeah, it’s hilarious. Yeah, it’s funny. Him and Patrick Warburton together. Dueting? They’d but some heat on in nature documentary. But, yeah, tour has been fun so far, and I’m coming to a place near you unless you’re Republicans. I’m kidding. I just realized that was like the lineup tour, our like tour, and I was just like, who decided this? I’m just gonna not like talk about that more, anyways. I’m an in-betweener, man. I love everyone. I love everyone. I love you. I love you. I love you. I like to call myself a political nihilist. Yeah, politics are funny. I just like nothing. I don’t know, nothing matters. It’s really funny to watch like, the polarity of like everybody over the past five years to the point where it’s like, actually insane what some people on like, both extremes, believe in. I’m not gonna go full centrist mode. I’m gonna sound corny as hell. I don’t know . Even though everything seems so polarized, it’s like you vote, nothing happens. Yeah. It doesn’t, no. Nothing changes. Everything is decided by rich people. Nothing’s gonna change. I love money. Oh, my God. God, I wish I was rich. . It’s a plutocracy. We live in a plutocracy. We live in a late-stage oligarchy. Enlighten me, I don’t know . What the does that mean? I think oligarchy’s the one where just like, there’s a lot of really rich powerful elites that decide everything. I thought that was plutocracy, I think plutocracy doesn’t involve the term rich. It’s like, a few… Plutocracy is Plutarch Heavensbee from Hunger Games. Is that from Hunger Games? No, I’m just . Shut up! I’m just with you. You’re with my mind! Oh my God. I gotta go! Plutocracy. Plutocracy Heavensbee. Oh that’s where my… I’ve been so thirsty I’ve been sweating out my . I’ve got swamp right now. Dude, I’ve been sweaty ever since we arm wrestled. I’ve been really, really sweaty. I tired you out. Yeah, you, you really tired me out. Round two? That’s like the most physical activity I’ve done- You want to go? No, I’m tired. No, I am too, Dude. I’m sweaty. I got swampy. I don’t think the viewers could take another. You wanna play a little game? Yeah. So we’re gonna play a game called “What’s In My Pocket?” You knew I would react a certain way to that. I was getting ready. I gave you what you wanted. off. Yeah, you did. All right, let’s get test that girth. Let’s get that going, man. Let me get that meatloaf, man. Okay, so I’ve got an item in my pocket, and it is not my member. I’m gonna give you a few hints And it is not my member. You’re gonna get a guess. You’re gonna get three guesses on what it is, and if you guess right, you get to keep it. Yeah. Okay, you ready for your hints? Your clues. I’m gonna give ’em all three to you at once and then you get your guesses. All right. Oh, my tummy just grumbled. Yeah, I’m really hungry right now. I’m feeling faint. That’s okay, I can continue. No, that’s it’s okay. It’s helping me. Do You need snack? Okay. Oh my God. Could I get a snack before we play, “What’s In His Pocket?” Yo, you got the oats and honey, you gonna get like 30,000 crumbs on the table. Oh, there’s already like 80 crumbs on the mic. He’s a menace! If you’re listening to the show, he’s crunching into a Nature Valley bar right now and getting approximately 472 crumbs- There’s also an extra water if you wanna give that to him, Trevor. Oh, thanks. You need more water. You want me to feed you water? Here you go. First clue. It is an instrument. There’s an instrument in my pocket. Okay. Kazoo. Oh my God! He freaking smurfed it. He freaking smurfed it. He needed one clue. It’s gonna be so warm, ’cause it’s been just, in my grundle for like the last- Grundle! minutes. But it’s packaged so… And you get to keep it. Wanna play us a little diddy? Actually, I’m really good at this. I’m so excited. I haven’t done this since high school. Wait. Okay. Wait. Does it work anymore? This is a musical genius. Now moan. What? Now moan. Well now I feel a little pressured, man. Nutrigrain Bars or something. Bye. No, come back. You gotta plug your stuff. Oh . Shameless plug portion of the show. Tell people where they can find you and what you’re doing. Okay, I’m @SubUrban on Instagram, TikTok. Who the . I have an album coming out. June 3rd. June 3rd. It’s called “Hive”. And guess what? It’s gonna be already out by the time. Shut up. It’s gonna be already out by the time this video is out and I worked really hard on this album. I put like two years of my life, and a crippling Adderall addiction, and COVID, and like, mental health. And I didn’t see my dad for a whole like, year, and my mom’s been in Taiwan for three years. I miss my mom. And like, I’m not really that happy, but I’m like, I’m chillin’. I’m chillin’. But you should go check out that album because I worked really hard on it. And I think it’s kind of good. And I think it’s a little refreshing, but maybe you’ll hate it. No. Maybe you’ll hate it. No. No. Nobody’s gonna hate it. I hope you dislike my music. I hope you dislike me as a person. I hope you don’t understand me as a person. And I hope that you go home and think, “Wow, who the was that guy?” and you forget me the next day. That was quite the plug. Pretty different than anything we’ve had on the show before. I made “Cradles”, you know the, wait… Oh, I really gotta get that in there. One second. This man is a musical genius. Please go check out his album. Sub Urban. Yeah. Sub Urban. This has been really fun. Subspace Urban. This has been super fun. Thank you. Do you think that we could be friends? Do you think we’d talk again sometime? Yeah, absolutely. You wanna hang out actually? Like this has been fun. Yeah, let’s do. Yeah, I need friends. Anytime. I don’t have any friends in LA, it sucks. Please. Yeah. Dude, text me. We can hang out. Yeah. Yeah. Sick. That’s Sick. Everybody that was Sub Urban. What a guy. Oh man, what a unique experience that was. Please go check him out. “Hive” is out now. His album is released. Go listen to it. He really, genuinely makes some amazing music. Please go support him. Follow him on all his socials. Great guy. So funny. Wow. Just, just so funny. I mean that was a unique experience. Jamie, how’d you think that went? I mean, that was a hoot and a half. It was a hoot and a half. I tell you what. I know, but for real, like, there was so much energy in the room. I thought the table was gonna tip over at one point. Yeah. And then the kazoo… Insane! Oh my God. I genuinely, mouth agape, was blown away. That was one of the coolest things I’ve ever seen in my life. I was like, you know, okay, for the fact that I even had a random kazoo, and I was like, this is perfect. And he guessed on the first- First try First try. First clue. I mean, I guess there’s not that many instruments that could fit in your pocket. Maybe flutes if you have long pockets. Yeah. True, good point, A tonette. I mean like, you see a Kazoo and you think, there’s not much you can do with that. You know, you can do a little bit, like he did that first song, like the fight song or whatever that they do at like, football games. And I was like, okay, that’s cool. And then dude just stuck it up his nose and performed a musical masterpiece. Actually insane. I mean I’m blown away, still. But no, that was a lot of fun. Yeah. And you did get to at least slip in Daniel the Conquer once or twice in there. He’s like if I act up, call me that and- Good old Danny. It was nice. Good old Danny the Conquer. I honestly died. Yeah. No, that was great. Thank you everyone for listening to “Trevor Talks Too Much”. We got new episodes coming out every single Tuesday, wherever you get your podcast. We got the video version the following Monday on YouTube. Leave a comment, leave a review. Let me know what I can do. That rhymed. I’m a rapper now. Let me know what I can be doing better. What you think I’m doing good. Boost my ego a little bit. Check out all the other Mythical stuff we got going on. I mean, I already told you about MythiCon. Top of the episode. Go get tickets to MythiCon. We got a ton of other channels. You already know that. Ton of content out there. Go check me out on “Mythical Kitchen”, Go check out all the other podcasts. They’re great. Love those people. They’re awesome. Yeah, and go check out Mythical Pods on TikTok. Lot of fun stuff coming over there. Little taste of all the podcasts at once, which is great. And yeah, that’s I think all I gotta say there at the end, I reckon. Jamie, how do you feel about that? You feel good? I reckon you did. You reckon we’re good. You reckon I say goodbye to the people now? You can say goodbye to the people in whatever language and style that you choose. Okay. Goodbye. So English and plain. Yeah. Okay, good. That’s what I was feeling.