So I’m on this new diet and it’s pretty legit. Oh, no, way. What’s it all about? I eat a hard boiled egg first thing in the morning. Then I drink two quarts of coffee. Then I crumble up half a wheat thin. If I get hungry for the rest of the day, I just lick envelopes. That sounds effed up. This is A Hot Dog Is A Sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah. I put ice in my cereal. So what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? Welcome to our podcast. A Hot Dog is a Sandwich. The show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates. I’m your host Josh Scherer. And I’m your host Nicole Enayati. And today we have a very special guest joining us for the pod. You’ve probably seen him reviewing other people’s what I eat in the days on social media. His objective is to make healthy living as easy as humanly possible. Liam Fisher-Layton from The Plant Slant. Welcome to the show. Yeah, I am so happy to be here. I am mythical everything. I have been a mythical fan for years. Mythical the like conglomerate. What, what are, what are we? What is, what is mythical? It kind of makes you sound evil. Production entertainment. Business company, I guess? I like, uh, dark Empire. No. You know, that’s kind of nice. That’s it. Ropes people in. That’s, I mean, talking about roping people in where if we’re talking fat diets, that’s all about roping people in. Uh, my favorite fad diet is enveloping. I’ve, I’ve been doing it for the last three months. It really curbs your cravings once you start getting that feeling on your tongue. Yeah. Have you, have you seen that Seinfeld episode that The Licking, do you know what I’m talking about, Liam? Am I doing– I love Seinfeld and I don’t know what you’re talking about. About, my gosh. I’m very upset about that. It’s George’s fiance. She’s literally licking the envelopes for her wedding. And she dies because of it. Right? Exactly. Not to spoil the Seinfeld for you. Oh my God, I’ve never seen a single Seinfeld episode. Well, how did she die from licking the toxic glue off of the envelope? So don’t do it too much. We do not officially condone enveloping. Um, but no, Liam, the reason, I mean, we love your content. The reason I love it specifically is that I think health and nutrition is a lot easier than people think it is. And there’s a lot of people trying to true cloud your judgment on that because likely they want to sell you something. So we are going to go through the worst and weirdest fad diets and rank them in terms of efficacy today. You think we can do that? I, I love this idea. I love fad diets. I mean, no one should do them. They’re awful. But like studying them is very fun. The basics are boring. Eat your fruits and vegetables. Come on, give me something I can work with here. Super boring. What are your personal favorites right off the bat? Uh, okay, so I kinda want, when would you think Fat Diet start? Let me ask you, when do you think, like, do you have a specific fat diet or a year that you’re like, I think this is when Fat Diet started. When did women start core setting? Because that’s probably when it started. I don’t know exactly. I know they use whale bones. That’s about all I remember from that. I feel like it’s, whenever women started course setting, I think fad diets kind of mm-hmm. Were roped in there. Like you said, I think that they were more conscious about how small their waist was, so they would probably eat a little bit differently, especially people of like higher mm-hmm. Upper crust. People, they probably had more, not restrictions, I would say, but their diets would be geared towards whatever their girlfriends were eating or their moms were eating or whatever. Like the newest en Vogue thing was. Yeah, I, I would go back to Fletchers in the 18 hundreds. I know there was like the Grites also. Oh, oh, the, oh, the Gram Brim, Sylvester Graham. But like that was a lot more religiously motivated in certain ways. Mm-hmm. Whereas. Fletchers, which is where you would, I believe, chew your food, your food, something like 85 times per bite. Mm-hmm. While you’re eating. To me, that’s like what I would call the OG fat diet. But what do you have that, so you brought up Gram I, I would personally say Gram I. Kind of introduced people mm-hmm. Into the fat diet with his, so basically Graham, uh, was a clergyman and he believed that, uh, you know, animal products led to increased lust, which is obviously terrible. We want to get rid of that. Right. He also didn’t believe in spices. He, he believed in eating a very bland diet, and he, uh, warned about the dangers of processed flour. So he decided to make his own flour. He called Graham flour and out of that flour he decided to make a cracker. Have any of you ever heard of, uh, this, this, this cracker that Graham might have made? Sounds very foreign. It increase, it increases my lust, but yeah, I have heard Graham crackers increase your lust. Yeah. Well it sounds like it’s a hot to trust. Sounds like Graham really That one up? They taste delicious. Now they. If Graham knew what we did to his cracker, he would be rolling over in his grave. He, it was, that is the worst thing you could do is make it out of enriched flour and, and put a bunch of cinnamon and sugar in it. He would’ve hated that probably. So I would say kind of, that’s where it, it kind of started, but I would go on to say, um, have, have y’all talked about one John Harvey Kellogg yet? On this podcast we should have. Josh has talked about Kellogg on multiple occasions, and I He loves the guy. I will. You could, because you can trace it to Sylvester Graham like a lot of these movements. Yeah, but please it was the same thing, right? Oh, similarly with the vegetarian diet and no spices, except he put a lot more yogurt in people’s butts. Yes, the yogurt emus were very common. Yes. He also believed that, uh, grapes were very, uh, detoxifying. So he would put people, uh, initially on an all grape diet. Do you wanna guess how many, uh, how many pounds of grapes people would eat in a day? Typically 15. Three 15 pounds is way too many. Well, he seems like an extreme guy, so yeah, sure. Three pounds of three pounds of grapes is like already a lot. How, how many? I’m gonna 15 pounds. Liam. You are very close. It is 10 to 14 pounds. The hell outta 14 pounds of See? Yeah. And Jeff and um, uh, price is Right Rules. I would’ve gone over those. So you would’ve, now he also believed in sort of the Fletchers, the Chew Your Food. Mm-hmm. It was, uh, at least. 40 times, at least 40 times. I mean, you could go beyond that. If you were like an A, a, you know, one of the, you really wanted to do it, you’d go above that, but at least 40 times you would chew your food. So, you know, you’re eating 14 pounds of grapes, you’re chewing them 40 times, and you’re getting, typically it was about half a pint of yogurt, and you just get yogurt into your body anyway you can. Mm, I wouldn’t know what is too little or too much yogurt for an enema. That’s one. Those where I wouldn’t say, I would say none is maybe the most medically recommended amount I’m gonna say. Yeah, he, I mean, he believes in to your standard enema. I think he is. He didn’t think that, uh, most enemas went far enough, so he did, I believe, 15 quart per minute ene. Oh, Jesus Christ. Who minute per minute. 15. 15 quarts per minute. So he didn’t do that with yogurt. I mean, we have to give him something. Right. You know, he, listen, this guy lived to, I think 91 or 92. He was into his nineties. So maybe he’s, I, I believe he also died of virgin. Do we are familiar with this? Laura? I, I know he, I believe he had like 21 children. I think they were all adopted. Just, and that was normal back then. You just did that. You just did what? Adopted kids, 21 children to work. No, you lived like these, uh, insane lifestyles that were foretold to you by God. And like the funny thing about all these fat diets is I think there, there is always some. Element of truth. Right. And like if you look back into, even down to his weird thing about like spices causing lascivious thoughts. Okay. Like that kind of comes down to like the early forms of the temperance movement. Right. Okay. Where it was like, never get yourself, uh, no drugs, no alcohol, no caffeine, all this stuff. And he was like, ah, just one slight step further. No spices either. That just kind of makes your life too bright. We need to, you know, be puritanical for God here. Fletchers, it’s probably better to chew your food more than Yeah, I agree. They do have actually a point with that. It it hundred percent chewing your food actually can, especially slowing down. I mean, I, I, I pretty much inhale food when I eat it. Same. I get into this as Right. We all, you know, you’re watching, you know, your YouTube and you’re just downing as much as you can as quickly as possible because your 1-year-old is yelling at you and you have to do what you have to do. Right. But typically it would be better if we kind of slow down. It usually takes around like 15 minutes for the signals mm-hmm. From your stomach to go, Hey. You’re actually, you’ve actually eaten. So, you know, there’s, all of these have some truth. But I would say kind of going away from the diet, uh, in the mid 1950s, I loved, I absolutely loved the, like reducing slash slenderizing salons. Have you seen videos of these? Oh yeah. They’re the abs. They’re the. Best. I love the idea. So basically you would go in and it would just squish you. It would just squish you and smush in various places, wherever you wanted the fat to go away from. And I absolutely love the idea that they’re just sitting there like, you know what? This fat on my like love handles. I don’t really like it. What if we just push it around a lot? Maybe it’ll go away. And this is just like when you don’t have like basic knowledge around these things, that’s where you can get these fat diets where they’re like, oh, I can kind of see a connection. How many AB videos have you still seen today? I. Basically where people are doing ab exercises to burn the fat from your core. Mm-hmm. It’s still around, so there’s still this like little bit that, you know, people connect to and like, eh, that could be true. I like the idea of it, so I’m going with it. I know a girl whose mom used to own one of those, like mummy wrap. Things. Did you ever see those? No. I knew a girl whose mom used, so it’s pretty much like a slimming thing where they would take a bunch of like gauze and then stronger and tighter gauze, and then you would run on a treadmill for like 10 minutes and you would do this, like, I love this a few times a month. And this would shed pounds and make you be, it was basically lymphatic drainage. Before lymphatic drainage became really popular. You would literally wrap yourself in these and they would like wrap your neck to make sure your, like double chin would kind of go away too. Only a few times a month seems like a steal. That’s, you don’t have to do this every day. No, I can do anything a few times a month. It reminds me of those slimming clinics where you could just put your, your arm fat on like a machine. It just jiggles you. It would just jiggle you. Yeah. Similar to that, that’s what these like slenderizing salons were, and I just, I love that so much. It’s, it’s so great. I will, and then after like kind of around the same time mm-hmm. That’s when the grapefruit diet came around. Oh. Course. I’m sure you’ve, like, we’ve all kind of heard the grapefruit diet of, right. Of course. Basically you would have a grapefruit. Before or with every meal. And you know, it’s not that crazy like grapefruits filled with, you know, water and fiber. I, you could put it as most as many things though. The apple diet, the watermelon diet, who cares is you’re just eating a piece of fruit that’s pretty filling with your meals. It’s not that crazy. Yeah. I wonder why they chose grapefruit out of all of the citrus. I think you couldn’t choose a good tasting fruit. You know what I mean? I think you had, it’s just pick one that kind of tastes a little gross to a lot of people that way you know they’re not gonna eat a whole bunch of it. Yeah. Oh, that and that, like, that almost signals that you’re doing something good for yourself. Uhhuh, if it, it’s to me because it’s, if it tastes a little bitter and bad, then you, because grapefruit still have like a fair amount of sugar in that. If you ever Yeah, that’s what I’m saying. Grapefruit juice has the worst ratio of like good taste to, to sugar in it. I love grapefruit juice. My mom tells me I can’t drink it ’cause it’s bad for my blood pressure. But I’m like, shut up mom. But I think, like, I think the, the hyper masculine equivalent of that is like dry scooping. Uh Oh. Protein or pre-workout? Pre-workout, yeah. You just think you’re doing something cool by making it feel bad. It’s like, no, you don’t need to introduce pain in your life. A hundred percent. I love people that creme brulee their grapefruits ’cause they know how to live. You know what I mean? Like that guy knows how to live his life. Have you ever seen a grapefruit spoon? Yes. They’re kind of gorgeous. Oh yes. We should just bring those back for other things. Speaking of Spoons, Uhhuh, you know what else? Around, a little bit later, a little bit after this, another diet I absolutely love. You’ve probably heard of the Cabbage Soup diet. I’m assuming you’ve heard of this. I was just about to say that. Yeah. Such a good diet. You could eat as much as you want, and that’s what people want. Tell me. I can eat as much as I want. Yes. Now what can I eat? Well, a bunch of leaves, just like a whole bunch of leaves thrown into a pot with some water. And you know, you would also get like certain vegetables. Mm-hmm. And maybe some brown rice. So like you get, you get. You get some diversity. Gosh, cow soup diet. There’s, there’s a part of me that like very deeply believes in the human condition. Mm. And even in, even going back thousands of years, like something would not have existed and stood the test of time if it didn’t cause some benefit. So like you said with the grapefruit diets, like, well, yeah, of course you’re getting some water and fiber in you before a meal. That makes a little bit of sense. Mm-hmm. But everything always ends up like going towards this extreme for something like. The slimming clinics, is there any science behind that at all? Like is there even a nugget of truth within this insane haystack? Absolutely not. There is, there is. There is nothing. Uh, you can’t just, you, there’s no where is the fat gonna go? Yeah. What are you just gonna move it around to different parts of your body? Do you think, like you, maybe I’ll just take it a little bit from like my s and I’ll put it up here. Like, it just doesn’t, it doesn’t work. People think fat as like this thing under your skin that just like, will just fall out. Yeah. Yeah. Like if you just, if you’re, if you had like a cut, it would just fall. If it, it, it, it’s there. It’s there. Like, have you ever seen how liposuction works? It’s not a fun process. They have to do a lot. Yeah. They have to do a lot for that. And it’s not fun. No. So, no, there’s absolutely no truth. But again, it’s fun. It’s, it’s interesting. And I, I really enjoy it. Well, and we’re gonna be looking back at this era with that same lens. Mm-hmm. Well, we currently look at this era with that same lens, because I had somebody incredulously say to me, you don’t believe that cold plunging targets, blah, blah, blah, types of fat cells. No. And I was like, why do you think that this is gospel? Where did you even read that? Yeah. But no one can guarantee I if you like cold water, fantastic. Keep doing it, man. There’s probably, it makes you, it wakes you up a little bit. Yeah, but we, we still have, still, it feels good in the mornings, the equivalent of the slimming clinics Today, we still have the equivalent of the mite dice today. You know what it is? Have you heard of, uh, those plate fit classes? It’s a literal class. It’s a, it’s a 30 minute workout class. ’cause you’re only allowed to be on it 30 minutes. It’s a platform that shakes Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you do squats on the shaking platform and you have to hold it, and you can only be on it for 30 minutes because if you do it more, your literal brain starts vibrating whenever you get off of it. I swear. The slimming clinics are just the plate fits of now, like, you know what I mean? Yeah. The plate is, that’s an extension. Yeah, it just vibrates it right off. It’s the worst class I ever did. And also, can I just say how susceptible I am to all of these fad diets? I feel like I’ve tried almost every single fad diet in some capacity. I think they are geared more towards women than men, to be fair. But I think the one. Fad diet. That’s kind of like quote unquote stood the test of time is the Mediterranean diet. Like I’ve seen the Mediterranean diet find different ebbs and flows throughout the years, but it’s always been like fresh seafood using olive oil, like fresh vegetables, a little bit less carbohydrates than the average like meal. Mm-hmm. But that’s, that’s the one I feel like it was a fad, but it’s still like in 2025 has legs when it comes to like diets, so like fad diet versus like what are you looking at? What is the definition of a fad diet? Yeah. You know, the Mediterranean diet of all the diets is, is certainly one of the healthier ones. Right? The more balanced ones. Anything that’s like, Hey, yes, you can have fruits and vegetables and legumes and nuts and seeds. Usually that’s pretty good. Mm-hmm. It’s the ones that can we get into my favorite fad diet? Sure. Ever. Okay, please. Okay. Let’s say Nicole, you come into my office and, and you’re, you’re, uh, you’re trying to lose some weight. Alright. And scene, go. Hi, my name’s Nicole. I’m trying to lose some weight. Oh, I have the diet for you. You have probably been told that you need to eat fruits and vegetables and, and reduce your sugar and stuff like that, right? Yeah. So much. Oh, what if I told you you could eat cookies all day long and lose weight? I would love that. Where do I sign up? Oh, right here. Would you like a little, uh, you know, initial plan of what your day would look like during the weight loss period of the cookie diet? I think that would make sense before I sign on the dotted line. Okay. Sure. Well, maybe I shouldn’t have told you, but I’m gonna do it anyway. So for breakfast, you’d wake up and you’d have two cookies. Then you’d have morning tea and you’d have a cookie. A snack would be a cookie, lunch, two cookies, afternoon tea, a cookie snack, a cookie, and then dinner. Can you guess what dinner is Cookie. No, it’s 250 grams of lee meat or fish and vegetables. This was very simple. And then a snack, you’d have another cookie. So the cookie diet was created, uh, by Dr. Siegel and he, he was a bariatric physician, so I love that already. You’ve got. You’ve got some, you’ve got some oomph behind it. Like he’s a bariatric physician, he should definitely know this sort of thing. And he created these cookies that were all like 52 and a half to 60 calories. So I can’t imagine they would’ve tasted good. Mm, they must have tasted terrible. But he had a proprietary blend of amino acids that he said would curb hun hunker. So amino acids are, are like the building blocks of protein. And so I first off, proprietary blends are the greatest thing ever. If you’re in like the, uh, you’re trying to sell supplements. Get on the proprietary blend. Basically you can just put a long list of things and say there’s this much in it and you don’t have to say what’s actually in it, right? Or the amounts that are in it, I should say. Right, right, right. And then they would give you like one kind of regular dinner and the whole day would be about a thousand calories, like 800 to 1200 calories. And they would say you would lose so little 11 to 17 pounds in a month. And you know, oh you might, honestly, what is the eating these, I’m assuming these terrible cookies. What is the average caloric intake for a a average woman? So, I mean the 2000 calorie thing? Yeah. You know, typically they’ll say 2000 calories for women, 2,500 for men. Mm-hmm. But it just varies so much and it’s tough to get an actual, like what, what it would be for the average person. And this diet was 1200, about a thousand, you know, 800 to 1200 calories starvation station. But you get to eat cookies all day long. That’s what’s so great about this diet, because so many diets are like, okay, you can’t have sugar, you can’t have this. I can’t have cookies. Oh, what if we told you you could eat basically only cookies and lose weight talk? When it comes to fat diets, it’s all about roping people in with like something, something that really is like, oh, that sounds fascinating. You know, push the fat outta your body. You can eat cookies all day long. That’s what gets people through the door. Nicole, what? Okay, so I feel like every. Every diet works. I know people that are incredibly fit and strong don’t know their blood work, whatever. Mm-hmm. But I know like really fit people who are vegetarian, who are vegan, who are carnivore, who are keto, who eat one meal a day, who eat nine meals a day. Mm-hmm. It’s like there’s so many different ways to skin a cat here. In a sense, if you have the basics down mm-hmm. You’re kind of 90% of the way there. The key is being consistent with it and using it as like a lifestyle and not just rebounding. And yo-yoing. What have you found in all the fad diets you’ve used? And Leon, I’m curious about your opinion on this. If you’ve ever done any fad diets, what has been like the most sustainable for you? The most sustainable? Um. Keto, but drinking was my, that’s an honest answer. That’s a very honest answer. Keto, except I take mushrooms like once every four hours. No, no, no. I’ve actually never done mushrooms before. Um, I would just, I would just be keto for the most part, and I would eat very little carbs and I would eat very little sugar. Like I totally deleted sugar from my entire diet, which I was consuming way too much sugar. But then I started like taking like collagen peptides, which had like. Like, what did it have? Like stevia in it, like fake sugar? Yeah. Yeah. And then I started drinking more like diet sodas, which I used to be so against. I literally was, so, I was like, I’ll just drink reg, like half of a regular soda instead of a full diet soda. But then I like totally turned to diet soda and it worked so well and I felt so good. And then, but also I would like, I was a, I’m a social butterfly. Like I would, I like have an active social life. Like I would go and like have like a cocktail or three while still maintaining like a really strict diet. Like I wouldn’t eat tropical fruits, like I wouldn’t eat bananas, papayas pineapples. I wouldn’t eat any of those fruits, just low glycemic, quote unquote fruits like berries, and then beans maybe like three times a week, and that was my diet. And then just a lot of meat and a lot of vegetables and a lot of water, and sometimes coffee, but not all the time. What, what I will say for, for fad diets, like the reason that keto and a lot of these diets work is what does, what makes things hyper palatable? What makes things super tasty? It’s, it’s and salt and fat. Sugar. It’s salt. Yeah. So the combination of fat and sugar, like do you, when’s the last time you saw someone with just a bag of sugar and a spoon going to town? Never. It’s been a little while since I’ve seen that. Right. Never. You don’t see it very often because sugar on its own. It’s fine. It’s like, but I’m not gonna sit there and just eat spoonfuls of it. Right. But when you take sugar and you add butter and then you add flavoring and you make cookies. Mm-hmm. Oh, forget about it. I could eat a million cookies. Yeah. So it’s this combination that you don’t really see the simple carbs and fats generally combined in nature too often. You could maybe say like nuts have a little bit, but for the most part it’s like carbs or it’s fats. Mm-hmm. So this combination is what? Humans we kind of crave and what makes it taste delicious and I want more of it. Mm-hmm. So anything keto, when you remove the sugar, you remove the carbs, you’re removing that. Yeah. So same thing with low fat. If you go low fat and you remove that, it can also work. Now, you know, the problem with, you know, low fat diets is you kind of need fat. But, you know, anything that kind of removes the, the, the combination of these things will generally work pretty well. I never thought that, I have never heard it put in such clear terms. Yeah. So clear. But that makes. So much sense, even, especially from like a cook standpoint mm-hmm. Of like, it is the combination of those, I think. Mm-hmm. An upsetting truth is that we have so many diet related problems. Mm-hmm. Because we’ve simply made food too. It’s too good. It tastes, food is too good. And too abundant, like processed foods, you mean? And Well, sure. But I mean, even the availability of, you know, something like sugar, which is a, a processed food of course. Mm-hmm. But like the availability of it, and I, I never understood this until I, I read a God, it might have been in a Michael Pollen book in the Omni War, Alma, but he talks about the introduction of high fructose corn syrup. Mm-hmm. And I, I don’t believe it is necessarily like the worst thing for you. I think if you substituted an American Coke for a Mexican Coke. Right. I don’t think your life would be that different. However, when the Japanese scientist that created it tried his, uh, he artificially synthesized fructose for the first time he tried it and went, we have officially broken the boundaries of sweetness. Wow. Like he was Oppenheimer, but for sugar, because now I am become death purveyor of, you know, syrup. Mm-hmm. And so like, we have like fundamentally changed things and like. It’s not that it’s doing anything bad on a chemical level, it’s just that, ah man, that’s really good. I wish I had another handful. Yeah. You know. Have you ever stopped at two Doritos? I haven’t. I can’t tell you the last time that’s ever happened. It food just tastes amazing. And so like a lot of my content, I, you know, I see people say going in grocery stores saying, this is terrible. Mm-hmm. This is awful for you. And it’s like, I understand where they’re coming from ’cause we’re eating a lot of it, but it’s not. Some specific ingredient in it. It’s the fact that it tastes amazing and it rocks. It’s so much of it and it’s so good. I love Oreos two. You know, a serving size of Oreos is two, maybe three. Yeah. Who’s doing that? No one. Yeah, so like that’s why a lot of these diets that really just like. Um, that eliminate, that generally do pretty well. I wanna, I would kind of wanna ask, ask you too, if you were to start a fad diet, would you have a direction you would take it? Hmm. You do You have something in mind? You’re like, it’s something, ’cause basically we kind of need to keep it simple, right? We kind of need to keep it basic so people can understand the rules. You know, I kinda wanna see, I wanna give you, I, I came up with something. I think this, I think this would do super well. Okay. Ready? Hear me out here. Go for it. The, the Gorilla diet. The gorilla diet. This be, okay. So gorilla’s obviously super muscular, huge jacked. Who does? So many guys would love to look like a gorilla. So if you just eat like a gorilla, you’ll look like a gorilla. Does that work at all? Of course it doesn’t, but that doesn’t matter. That is how we rope people in, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Now, there’s problems with it in that like an adult male gorilla can eat 40 to 45 pounds of vegetation per day. That’s a little bit of an issue, but here’s how we get around it. Mm-hmm. We lie. We just lie about it. Okay. Okay. All right. So we can have them kind of eat whatever they want, but again, we just kind of need to get rid of this combination of like fats and carbs, right? We need to, to lower the processed foods. So we just say you eat, you know, uh, fruits and vegetables, which is like what mostly, you know, a gorilla would eat. And then like protein. Now they pretty much just eat bugs for protein, but we’ll let people eat whatever they want. I feel like we won’t be able to rope people in with bug eating maybe if we’re not there yet. Super serious. Yeah. Yeah. We’re not quite at the bug stage yet. Give it a few years, let’s see what happens. Yeah. Yeah. But right now I say we just let them eat whatever protein they want, and I think people would be all in on the gorilla diet, especially with this whole like trend now of like, can a hundred humans beat up a gorilla? I don’t know if you’ve seen this one on percent. We need to launch. Yeah. So like, that’s what I’m saying. We get it out there now and people are like, oh, I need to be the gorilla beating up a hundred humans. How so? Eat like gorilla. Be like gorilla. That’s my, that’s my pitch. Okay. That’s incredible. I’m, we’re also gonna go, we’re just gonna go in with you, man. Three weeks. Awesome. Wait, no, I have gorilla diet. Oh, you have your own? I have mine. Hear me out. This was inspired by my own diet, which I’ve actually come to like really, really love my general diet and lifestyle choice. You home did it. I feel like I’m at the point where I can ride this out forever. Oh, really? And be pretty happy. That’s awesome. But I call it, we need to not brand it with another company, but I call it the Tom’s model. Oh, like the shoes? You guys know the Toms shoes. Oh, okay, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It’s, it’s like you buy the shoes and then they give the shoes to someone else. It’s, it’s one for you? It’s one for them. For me, I have a perfect split down the middle of just half lean protein and vegetables, meals, and that includes, uh, whey protein and fruit in the morning. Okay. Then half whatever I want. And so if you just fully cut it in half because it’s simple, it’s easy to explain. Yep. You know? Okay. Because you couldn’t actually just say like, um, what is, I believe Mary and Nessel said, food nutrition or nutrition science hasn’t changed since World War ii. It’s all just been eat food, not too much. Mostly plants, but that doesn’t sell you anything. So you need to have some sort of easy pitch. Sure. And so I, I think it’s the Tom’s model. It’s just half your meals are just, you know, 250 grams of lean protein and vegetables. Okay. Or fruit in like, you know, way or yogurt. Okay? And then the rest go nuts. But, but, but, but put yourself in like an eight. Put on an eight minute timer. I. For those meals. It’s like the purge, the Tom’s Purge, oh, you can’t call it The Purge when Oh yeah, you can’t, sorry. Can’t call it. Sorry. Purge. We can’t, I met the movie where they’re violently killing people, not the eating disorder. I actually didn’t even think of that, but that’s good. See, this is why we have a group round table, this is what I’m saying, to troubleshoot these things. A think tank, if you’ll, and of course, why we have a woman in the room, a think tank, if you’ll. Putting men together on a podcast is never a good idea. Yeah. You always need, you always need us to soften the blow. I don’t, good thing there’s only like 10 men with podcasts. I mean, that’s only, only 10. Um, I don’t think I would ever come up with a fad diet because I think they ruin people’s lives if they don’t. Oh yeah. If they don’t, no. You have to sell out hard. It’s, but at the same time, it’s almost like it’s not people’s fault because this is what they’re being taught. Like for example, my mom and the snack wells. And the cottage cheeses. Mm-hmm. Oh, and the a hundred calorie packs. I truly don’t think it was her fault. I think that is what was being fed to her, literally. So she didn’t know any better. And I think us as humans, we don’t know any better either. So I would never wanna contribute to that. Sorry. Okay, but back to the gorilla diet. So you’re saying Yeah, listen, listen, I’m saying it’s there gor here, we out here gorillas are 98 plus percent same DNA as humans now. Now, listen. Does, does people, do people in the know understand that that 1.7% difference or whatever, it makes a massive. It makes everything. Of course, of course. But, but if you just put on like, we’re 98, 98 0.3% the same as gorillas. Eat like them. Be like them. We would sell, we would sell hard. I mean, we would ruin a few lives probably, but like we would get very rich doing it. You know what the downfall of this is, especially for a target demo, is when they snooky is when they Google how big. Is the penis of the gorilla. Yeah. Less than one inch. Less than one inch. Bye guys. Alright, Nicole and Liam, we’ve heard what you and I have to say. Now it’s time to find out what other wacky ideas are rattling out there in the universe. It’s time for a segment we call. Opinions are like casserole. Okay, Josh. Oh, sorry. Were you doing something? I was, I was, um, scatting. I was scatting the music that, for someone who hasn’t watched Seinfeld, you have, you just, you just did the Seinfeld thing. You literally said you did the baseline from Seinfeld. I also can’t keep any like melodies in my head, so I don’t know what things sound like. Oh, I’m like rhythm blind. What? What the? All music sounds the same to me. That’s why I only listen to the loudest kinds. Oh my God. So before we get into our Pino casseroles, we’re gonna rate, actually Liam is going to rate the worst diets. In the world on a scale of one to 10. Liam, are you ready? I, I think, I think in general, people like me and after this, I feel like that’s gonna change real hard. But like, you know, YOLO is the, as the kid kids don’t say that anymore, as they used to say, yolo, you’re not kids. I’m like 31. So whatever. Okay, so let’s start off with. Atkins, the Atkins diet. What do you rate that? I, I I, for me, it’s kind of middle of the road. It’s like a five. If you really enjoy low carbon, there’s many people that do like low, like low carb. It’s great for them. I think I, I would die without carbohydrates. They, they are my, they are in my blood, literally. Okay. Raw vegan. T two, two, uh, this in the vegan diet, I think could be very great. Raw. Not cooking your food is, is rough. That’s so rough. I’m gonna, I don’t wanna give it a one, but I’ll, I’ll give it a two. I’ll, I’ll bump it up. Weight Watchers or Point Systems? Oh, the points po really, they just change calories for points. So like, if you like points, then that, then that works for you. I’ll give it another five. It’s fine. Carnivore or animal-based? I am gonna say it’s the same for me as raw vegan. It’s a two. I don’t wanna give it a one because in very select situations I think it can be useful. But otherwise we’ll give it a two. Ohad. One meal a day. Only one meal a day. Some people love that. I don’t know how they function without food the rest of the day, but if you do, that’s so awesome. I, I get, I’ll give it. No, I don’t wanna give it a five. I don’t even wanna give it five. I’ll give it a four. How about a four? Let’s go with that. Intermittent fasting. Intermittent fasting is everything autophagy. Sorry. I can’t, I can’t help myself with that. Uh, intermittent fasting again, some people really love it. And the, when you only do like the eight hour window, you know, at least it’s, it’s better than Oma. So I’ll go six se six and a half blim fast. Oh, it’s, so the, the drinks and everything. Or like a meal replacement? Like a meal replacement thing. Um, duh. I’ll give it a five. I’ll give it a five. And finally, Arianism. Arianism. Where you, so, okay. I believe they do get some nuts. I think, and I’m really stretching. I’m trying so hard for the people that like these diets, but it’s, you’re, you’re tying my hands here. What do I do? I’ll give it. Uh, do I give it a three? Because there’s two food groups as opposed to like carnivore. That’s only, I guess they have to, no. I’ll give it a two as well. Let’s just give them all a two. Well done. Give them a round of applause. That’s tough. That was tough. You honestly did a great job. That’s, I made so many people probably bad, but, oh, well I a balanced diet. That is what I recommend. Right. And that is what I love. That’s the right thing. I’m sorry for promoting that. It’s. Tough. I remember the first time somebody described intermittent fasting. They’re like, I only eat from noon to eight. I was like, oh, you’re, you’re just skipping breakfast. Yeah. That’s okay. That’s, that’s, a lot of people do that. That’s fines. Cool for you for using Latin words though. Intermittent. No. You just, we all get busy. Okay. Josh, hit us with the first opinion about diet culture. We are going to read our fans opinions about diet, culture and I, this one’s special to me because I’ve lived it. Um, red Bull and cigarettes is the absolute best way to start your day. Low calorie curbs your hunger until lunch and keeps your mind sharp. They call this intermittent fasting in the biz, Liam, uh, mind sharp. I I’ll give, I’ll give it. Yeah, you, you would probably be, uh, you’d get some stimulants. It has stimulants and I really enjoy those. Clearly, I’ve been yelling this entire time, so I’ll, yeah, I’ll give it that. Let’s maybe not, you know, uh, uh, you know, uh, lung cancer and stuff. There might be a few downsides, but I do like the stimulant part of it. This reminds me, have you ever seen. Seen like, uh, Nick crawl pretend to be European. He’s like, yes, for breakfast we have a bar of chocolate, and then we have cigarette, and then we have another bar of chocolate and then another cigarette. That’s the thing for lunch. Something super light like a bowl of heavy cream and a cigarette. Like that’s literally that. Um, this was, okay, so after me and all of my roommates, we were all division one shot, put discus hammer throwers. Mm-hmm. In college and we were all like, you know, carrying extra weight because we needed that for our sport. And we all decided to do a little weight loss competition immediately when our senior season ended. And speaking of fad diets, uh, we were also just poor. And so we adopted, we adopted the cigarette and almond diet. Where we would just smoke cigarettes and eat almonds to curb our cravings. Wow. To see how much weight we could lose. And I will never forget the moment. I think I went anemic because I was benching like 50% of, oh my gosh. Not even 50. It was like 40% of my max, and I got pinned underneath 135 pounds. No one was there spotting you at the suit. No, I had to. I didn’t think I needed a spot. I was 135. Right. I was losing weight so rapidly and so lightheaded from the cigarettes. I don’t smoke anymore. Is that all you ate? Is that It is just almonds and that, that’s it. And then like some leftovers from the catering company that we all worked at. But it was, I mean, we must be ibut him. Yes. Such low calorie and the cigarettes. I don’t think we’re gonna be able to sell this fad diet, Josh, I’m sorry. We could try, but it’s not gonna. So Almond mom, dear, I won the Weightlift literal almond mom. I won the weight loss competition. I do not recommend this. College was a crazy time. Okay, I have one. Anna Dion, 94 says, all salads are healthy. I don’t care what you put on it. Fried chicken, ranch dressing, et cetera. If it’s on a salad, it’s healthy because I’m eating it on a base of raw vegetables on. So what I talk about a a lot on my channel is just like adding, not restricting. Right. Mm-hmm. I love that mentality. Yeah. I love adding to things. Now, eventually it, it can, you know, it might not be so great if you put like a little bit of like sesame seeds on just like your food that you normally eat. Maybe that is, maybe that’s stretching a little bit. But I love the idea of adding things to a salad. I talk about, uh, like chicken nuggets. People are like, I love chicken nuggets. Throw ’em on a salad. Mm-hmm. That’s great. I mean, you know, I think I, I, I like the idea. I think it could be taken to the extreme and maybe not be perfect. I agree with this. And I think eating vegetables with a side of something you’re a really, really big fan of mm-hmm. In order to consume the vegetables, so be it. Yes. Yeah. I wouldn’t brand it as necessarily quote unquote healthy, but. I think it’s better for you instead of just doubling up on the ranch dressing and the chicken tenders. Mm. I I, healthy is a spectrum. Right? Right. What were you doing before compared to now? Exactly. Yeah. So true. I think there’s a really weird original sin in the diet that we grew up eating in America where we take our meats and we heavily process and salt and fry them. We grew up on chicken nuggets. Mm-hmm. And fried chicken patties in school and hotdog and hamburgers. And then we just like, don’t season our vegetables. Right, right. You know, and so I kind of love this like. Vegetables, taste delicious. Put delicious things on your vegetables. Don’t learn to fear them. Make it a treat. Yeah, I eat a thousand calories salads all the time because they’re delicious. Not because I want to do something healthy, but also I am getting a ton of volume of food. I am getting a lot of micronutrients right, and I’m teaching myself not that I need to be taught to love vegetables, which I think is a problem. So, yeah. I can’t tell you how many times somebody has said, does adding cheese or ranch cancel out my vegetables and I die? Cancel a little. Every time I hear one of those. Cancel of that. Yeah. It’s, it’s always cancel. Is that, cancel it out. If I eat a donut after a workout, should I have just not done my workout? And I’m like, oh god. Oh man. Yeah, your body actually just like sh-ts out raw, undigested kale and cheese. ’cause they’re like, Nope, cancel. It can cancel. All right. Uh, another one that I feel personally yeah. Towards drinking an absurd amount of diet soda to satisfy my sweet tooth without knowing the health implications is so worth looking. Snatched. I will say diet soda gets a horrible wrap and you know, aspartame is this, this terrible thing. The amount she, the, we always say in, in the, in the biz, the dose makes the poison. Mm-hmm. I got that tattooed on my arm. Oh, it’s, yes. The, that’s Paracelsus. The father of toxicology, the dose makes the poison in order for aspartame to potentially, and I say potentially be an issue if you’re 200 pounds, you’d have to drink around 1920 cans of Diet Coke a day. And that’s even getting into like the ADIs, which the acceptable daily intake, which is set to be very safe. Like it’s very low, it’s like a hundred times lower than the amount shown to cause. Adverse effects in animal studies are below the amount that’s shown to cause adverse effects in animal studies. And even to get to that, again, you’d have to drink like 1920 cans of diet soda today. Now, I’m not telling you to get all your liquids from Diet Soda. I think you should drink other things, but it’s, it’s totally Sorry, I took, I’m thinking to myself too, I drink coffee. And so I, you know, it’s, it’s totally fine. If you’re someone who likes a diet soda, don’t let people tell you you can’t have it. That’s what I’m just trying to get at. I’m sorry for judging you for all those years of eating and drinking diet sodas. When I was having full sugar sodas, I’m sorry, Josh, no apologize for Halo Top Ice Cream. Sorry for Halo. I never ate Halo top ice cream. I said I did and you would judge me for it. You go, why don’t you eat two bites of real ice cream? Well, yes, I still agree with that. Real ice cream tastes better than Halo Top tastes like butt. Um, I am now a part of the Diet Soda train. I mean, sometimes, do I still dabble in this? Right? What’s your favorite? What’s your favorite? Honestly, what’s your favorite? Honestly, I flip flop between a diet Dr. Pepper and a Diet Coke. Don’t tell my, are you not in the zeros yet? Are you only diet? Have you not gotten to zeros? I like flirt with the zeros, but like diet’s kind of been the only thing I’ve been like, um, exposed to do more flirting, flirt more. That’s all I’m gonna say. Do get yourself an A and W zero or, you know, there’s, I love bar zero. Sorry. A and W has a cream. So does zero. It’s so good. Okay. I’m gonna try it. It’s so good. Okay. I’m gonna try it, but sometimes I need a real soda to remind myself of what reality tastes like. Totally fine. Everything in moderation. You’re right, you’re right. Oh, now I have to say one. It’s up. You’re up, dude. Okay. Hold. Let me, let me pick a really good one. A really good one. Gimme one second. Um, chance X Muse says everything we’ve been fed about the human diet is a scam and has been to promote the big food corporations. Oh, exclamation point. I, I don’t think we have enough time left for me to really get into the weeds on what that all really means. But I would say just, just eat a balanced diet and don’t worry about what you know, what they’re trying to feed you. It’s everything, everything in moderation. Balanced diet. That’s what it comes down to. Don’t fear. Every little thing, all that good stuff. Um. What Liam said. I mean, really? Yeah. Uh, but like at the same time, I don’t know. I don’t know. Sometimes I, I imagine that like corporations, yeah. Do they wanna make a buck? Of course, obviously. But I do believe there’s like some people that work in the corporations that do want to benefit human life. I don’t know, maybe I’m just being a positive poll instead of negative. I think corporations wanna make money no matter what. Yeah. Just as long as they, as, they just make it as. They make our food as tasty as we possibly can. Yeah. Mm-hmm. And that makes us more money, whatever that entails. Yeah. I think that’s what they do. And in the health and wellness sector though, I do imagine that there’s people in that sector that do want people’s lives to be benefited with the foods that they’re creating. But maybe, again, I’m just being a toxic positivity person, and then I think they get really depressed when they find out how a corporation works actually. Yeah. Maybe in, in, uh, Marian Nessel wrote about this in her book, food Politics, where she said she would have executives from these companies. Mm-hmm. Who got into it, uh, from, you know, uh, things like Kraft Heinz or whatever mm-hmm. Who would come up to her and say, I got into this business because I wanted to make like, healthier food for people. And then I started getting the pressure of we need 10% increased profit every single year. Yes. And people can’t keep consuming 10% more calories every year. Mm-hmm. Or spending 10% more money. Mm-hmm. And realizing that the system overwhelms the individual, which is sort of how this all functions. But that said. You can exit the matrix, eat a salad, eat a salad, put some pea on it, like, you know what I mean? Eat a salad, throw some chicken nuggets on there. If that’s what makes it taste better, it works. That’s the brought to you by Purdue Chicken Farms? The, I think they’ll be in on it. I’ll be fine with that. Let’s get that Purdue buddy. Uh, Liam, this was such an absolute treatment. It really was. I can’t thank you enough. Uh, it’s been a long time coming and I had a blast with you. Same. Thank you guys so much for having me on. Huge. Fan of the show, fan of everything, mythical. And it’s just been, it’s been a dream to be on here. Thank you so much. Of course, babe. Where can people find you? Uh, I think I’m the plant slant most places I, so I just say, look that up, you know, YouTube, the tikytoks, all of those good things, and you’ll find me somewhere ranting about something else. I’m sure you’ll just come up on your algorithm. You don’t even need to search anymore. We just, he just came up on– If you’re anywhere near food. Yeah, there’s probably a good chance. He popped up on my algorithm with our shirt on. Oh yeah. And that’s why he’s here. Oh man. And oh, go ahead. And on that note, thank you all so much for listening to A Hotdog is A Sandwich. We got new audio episodes every Wednesday. The video version out on YouTube on Sunday, if you want to be featured on Opinions are like Casserole. Hit us up at 8 3 3 Dog Pod one. And for more Mythical Kitchen, check out our other videos. We launched new episodes every week. We’ll see you all next time,! Liam, drink some more coffee. Oh, and diet soda.