ramble [Music] eine garten rachel ray tom colicchio some of our favorite chefs have never had the experience of sprinting to catch the culinary school bus probably because the culinary school bus isn’t a thing but also because they never went there does this mean culinary school is a scam this is a hot dog as a sandwich ketchup is a smoothie yeah i put ice in my cereal so what that makes no sense hot dog is a sandwich a hot dog is a sandwich welcome to our podcast of hot dogs the sandwich the show where we break down the world’s biggest food debates i’m your host josh shearer and i’m your host nicole inaudible and nicole today we’re trying to take down the big scam artist lularay lularoe lularoe they’re scamming people for their leggings uh-huh herbalife there was um smoothies there was one in my high school i feel like every high school had pyramid schemes at them the one where you would sell like uh rolls of paper no this was this is energy drinks they sold energy drinks at your school well yeah there was like a pyramid scheme at my school where they still it’s called verve i think and i think someone’s like screwed up dad got arrested for that i don’t know anyways we’re talking about whether or not culinary school is a scam and since i never went there nicole did you get scammed that’s a great question i actually visited actually had dinner with one of my old professors i guess he was my old chef and it’s been like maybe two three years since i’ve seen him and we just very we talked very lightly about it and i’m like dude i kind of did like a little bit of like an ask like do you think culinary school is a scam you were a teacher there for x amount of years what do you think and he’s like oh it’s it’s a scam of course it’s a scam i mean look at you look at what you’re doing now like there’s no way that culinary training prepared you for where you are today and he was obviously being like facetious yeah of course of course and um what i will say is any school is a scam yes any tear down higher education what you need to do is within yourself have the hunger knowledge and um excitement to do more than what your schooling teaches you and that’s for any sort of subject that’s for being a lawyer i guess maybe for a doctor i don’t know about you doctor school no no no i mean i mean i guess i guess with any sort of like arts and human humanities degree i think that’s what they call them you get like the base level of training you learn how to cut a carrot you learn how to fabricate a chicken you learn how to maybe i don’t know do some agar agar pearls that’s that’s what you learn everything else you have to teach yourself culinary school can’t teach you work ethic it can’t teach you hard work it can’t teach you how to be personable that’s not things that that school does it’s a trade school it teaches you a trade that will allow you to enter into a low low-level line cook job yeah that’s it that’s all culinary school is that’s all it prepares you for if you have bigger dreams than that go ahead go for it yeah but you don’t need the school you can you can learn everything from culinary school being on the line you can oh when you said on the line i thought you meant being online like youtube you’d be working the line at a restaurant i mean working the line of direction i’m sure the university of youtube is one of my favorite sources of education i call it hard knocks culinary you baby that’s where i learned yeah i mean i mean you can learn almost everything on the internet but there’s nothing like real world experience and being under someone who knows how to work you know a kitchen yeah and learning from them i think is incredibly valuable and if those people transition into teaching awesome if they don’t and they just you know stay in the restaurant world and they’re like badass culinary chefs cool you know what i mean i mean the whole reason we’re talking about this thing is because we get a lot of dms from people who are like i want to do what you do you’re you’re larping because you know we get so many of those deals all the time and all the time people are asking should i go to culinary school or i’m going to culinary school thank you yeah or you’re the reason i’m going you’re the reason i’m going to call you scares me dude don’t be there different like trajectory yeah and also when you’re talking about whether or not culinary school is a scam you have to look at the other things that are scams like is a four-year university a scam um if you’re trying to be a doctor or a lawyer and there is a very prescribed way for you to get there which for the record i have a healthy distrust of institutionalized education and authority in general um i’m pretty glad that our doctors have to go to medical school and pass some sort sure i think that’s probably a good thing for let’s say 90 plus percent of professions um that doesn’t really exist yeah like an accreditation like that you know well going well going to an accredited school is something what is that something i couldn’t tell you but there’s like if you call yourself a medical doctor yes you need to have although i know some people who went to like naturopathic schools that still call themselves oh they’re like dios yeah yeah yeah yeah like i don’t i don’t know that you should use that word hey i’ll turn to healing practice it’s whatever um but there’s nothing like that for a chef you can have your servsafe certification yeah saying that you don’t let food fall on the floor and pick it up and food yeah people you know you gotta store things three inches off the ground yeah but that doesn’t mean you have like a license to be a chef there’s no right way to be a chef and also um no amount of institutionalized education in any field is going to make up for just a natural hunger and knowledge for things and seeking out information on your own right exactly nicole if you had to do it over again would you still go to culinary school damn that’s a great question when i was 19 years old i wanted to be an english professor i’m like i’m gonna go and teach children how to not children i want to be a college professor i was like i’m gonna go teach people how to you know dissect a haiku and you know read poems and like read like the odyssey and stuff and then um that is what you do dissecting haikus reading poems yeah yeah yeah and let me tell you i took a lot of classes i took a lot of creative writing classes i took a lot of like shakespearean theory classes and i enjoyed it but my parents also told me to work they’re like you gotta go get a job girl and i was like okay fine so i started working at 16 at 19 i was working at a chocolate store and then i was like whoa this is a career like food can be a career you’re kidding me yeah so um i don’t know if i i don’t regret going to culinary school i do not regret it i met some really great people i loved my professors my chefs they were all so supportive and like proud of the fact that i was going against the grain because i told them like there’s not a lot of persian jewish girls in culinary school yeah like i made that very clear and they understood that and they’re like okay we understand that but that doesn’t mean that we’re going to treat you any different and i love that i’m like thank you and so i mean the school that i went to i was lucky enough to have a great a great education i’m lucky because like i can like afford the loans and whatever like i can i can take them out and i can pay them huge issues yeah it isn’t it isn’t as expensive school and then they like to be like oh it’s art school of course it’s expensive but like it’s art school like you’re gonna be selling million dollar paintings food yeah that’s how they that’s how they spend it and that’s the one thing that i was like uh i didn’t know that actually that’s kind of a bummer yeah they kind of say oh you’re going culinary school is the equivalent of art school no it’s a it’s a trade school it is a trade school it is not school exactly nothing wrong with it that’s that’s awesome but it’s gotta be treated as such but you have to think about the entry-level job of a person that works in a restaurant they’re making what ten dollars an hour if they’re lucky i mean likely a minimum wage minimum wage whatever it is i don’t even know what minimum wage is right now maybe 15 bucks way up to 15. i think are we at we’re at 15 an l.a i don’t know where we’re at but like 15 bucks an hour banana cost michael ten dollars i don’t know i don’t do payroll stuff so i don’t i have zero idea um 14 an hour now it’s climbing it’s like eventually yeah but whenever but whenever i was in culinary school i think i might have been like i don’t know 11.50 an hour like that was the baseline and that was like the the loan you’re taking out versus how much money you’re making yes was astronomically different it’s not even enough to like pay the interest on loan especially if you are going to say an art school the loans you’re taking a lot of them are probably private yeah um it’s not you know it doesn’t have like the infrastructure of a four-year school like exactly yeah like i went to public schools down to uc santa barbara for two years uh also i would likely would have gone to culinary school if not for sports oh the only reason that was my only interest in college was that i wanted to figure out how to throw a shot put in discus farther and i thought that might have been my career i mean i knew i wasn’t good enough to go to the olympics anything but i thought you know i had a real passion for the support still do um but i thought that maybe i could coach and go into that route and then i was able to pass my classes and get a good enough gpa for you know four years um and i thought i was going to do a fifth year in track and field but i ended up using up my eligibility earlier then i thought not doing that so i literally had like one semester left to go but i had no more sports so i was like why am i here i hate this like i want it like food is my other huge passion other than sports um would have gone to culinary school had it not been for a sports scholarship and so i just you know kept three classes on the books so i could keep my financial yeah my financial aid and then for the next three months i was like let’s figure out how to launch a culinary career and then i started my blog and i started just meeting as many people in the restaurant business uh as possible and so there is like another world in which i did go to culinary school and i always think about how my life would be different because i don’t think i would have ended up here yeah probably not yeah i would have been a rock star chef you would have been a rock star chef hard party and rock star chef nicole you might have been you know a million dollar uh cpg consumer package goods creator there’s that would have been cool yeah there’s like there’s like people always think oh go to culinary school you’re going to become a chef in a restaurant and i knew i did not want to work in a restaurant i knew that that’s the dream that they sell a lot of people yeah and i’m like restaurants aren’t that great like yeah it’s the the toxic energy is a lot for for people to hand on you know i was very coddled as a as a kid until like i was like 25. so i’m very sheltered in that aspect and the back of the house world was a little bit much for me and i could hang but there was like a situation where i just couldn’t hang like crying in a uh was that thing called the deep freeze crying in the walk-in because i couldn’t ice a cake properly and like just being surrounded by people that are expecting you to move move move and you’re like i can’t i can’t do that the the energy and the toxicity was a lot for me and i just i tried it i gave it an honest go and i knew it wasn’t for me yeah but then i was like there’s so many other things i can do i just wish that my school would tell the other kids that there were other things you could do other than be a restaurant chef yeah they didn’t do that that’s the one thing i wish it was very restaurant oriented like yeah they were like it was weird it’s like we would like cook in teams and then like sometimes we’d cook separately and then like we had to present dishes as teams it was very teaching you know the teams thing just like how to work together how to work with other people weird and like it’s just it just didn’t makes a lot of the things made sense a lot of things that it makes sense but i am very grateful that i did it because i learned so much and again i met really cool people and i’m still in contact with a lot of the people i’m with i like met in school today yeah like i’d love to see their trajectories and all the fun things they’re doing because they also some of them want you know the restaurant classic route some of them are cdc’s and some of them are you know international food blockers going around the middle east and you know trying palestinian foods and trying different foods from different regions and i’m like this is incredible like way to go so i’m glad i went i don’t think it’s a scam but you don’t have to go yeah no that’s not okay the other thing is one you just don’t have to go to work and arrest you don’t have to go to culinary school to find a restaurant job that’s true i actually know some chefs who refuse to hire people from culinary school because they’re like you’re just learning outdated stuff from burnt outs you shouldn’t hack it in restaurants and i don’t know that that’s necessarily true i know some other people that have very great experiences at culinary school specifically people who went to the cia culinary institutions yes cia is an incredible school yeah i mean that’s you know or the top school in america or cinnamon wills or something like that or something else uh johnson and whale johnson and whale sorry orson welles is on the brain yeah and then um you know a lot of people who go to those schools the track is to then work in cheesecake factory corporate as an r d and i love that stuff yeah that’s all i told my work for hilton the only way my parents were okay with me going to culinary school is telling them that i was going to be a research and development chef for craft that’s the only way they’re like okay just pick craft out of a hat yeah i like cheese i like cheese i like cheese and i’m like they’ll they’ll believe that they know what craft is yeah they’ll know that okay she’ll be making good enough money that i don’t have to worry about her which is you know immigrant parents they want you to come to america and make a lot of money yeah that’s the point of course so um yeah it was definitely me going to culinary school was like a big deal to them they’re like don’t do it they’re like nicole don’t do this did they ever have like and i told you so a moment or did you ever have and i told you of course i had an i told you so moment of course i did not this i mean this was one of them yeah yeah i’ve had so many i told you so moments i’m like look at this job look at what they’re offering me look at how like look at the success of this place like how do you feel but my dad was really supportive my mom was just scared for me that’s what it was my dad never told me what to do in life he was like do whatever you want i trust you my mom was a little bit more apprehensive because she’s like you are going into a quagmire of like people that you have no idea what their pasts are the restaurant world is scary yeah she’s like you’re going to be hanging out with a lot of people that are like on like on the what like the sides what’s it called the fringes of society yeah which is like not the most far-off thing i know bourdain talks about it a lot he’s like in in kitchens you have uh you have was it artists you know generally kids whose parents paid for them to go to culinary school and they want to make you know uh cool apple soil fermented tomato chili whatever uh then you have mercenaries people who they’re really good at their job they just come in they work a line they bang it out and that’s how they know how to make money and then you have exiles people know where else to go yeah they duck in the kitchen and they work yep yep so my mom was always like very apprehensive she’s like are you sure you want to do this sure you want to do this really want to do this i don’t think you should do this maybe you should try another thing have you looked into hospitality school instead like she was very adamant about me going to a real quote-unquote real college and getting a quote-unquote real education and i’m just like sorry this works out for me yeah yeah i’m pretty happy now like what do you have to say now lady she’s just like sometimes i go are you gonna say are you proud of me and she’s like i’m proud of you i’m like okay was that so hard catharsis on the podcast i know it’s great i’m really looking forward to the future of just more diverse educational opportunities opening up for people because you mentioned the term real college and yeah that yeah quote unquote i hope to god that we’re the last generation that grows up with the idea that a four-year college is the only route to go right because i feel like we were that was drilled into us from a very young age my mom always my mom and dad both of them were like education is important it’s actually an important thing but me knowing about i don’t know the tigris and euphrates doesn’t really benefit me birthplace is sumerian yeah like me knowing what uh what a poll i can’t even say a parabola a parabola parabola parabola arch symmetrical on both sides they don’t help me in life so education is cool but what about hear me out education about things that you want to know about yeah instead was it the socratic ideal of justice and ironically i only know the socratic ideal of justice for my political science almost degree of reading the republic um but no it’s the idea that everybody is doing what they are best at that would be nice and that’s that’s a huge thing right i mean i i spent is this the fish bicycle thing what if you tell a fish to ride a bicycle it’ll fail every time but if you make a fish swim it’ll be successful every time yeah that’s a good one that’s a good way to put it thank you yeah no i mean i mean that that makes sense and so whatever i’m also a big fan of the idea of what let’s throw more idiomatic cliches turning the wheels in the direction of the skid right going where the momentum takes yeah you know sure um and if you are naturally interested in something that may not exist at a four-year school that may not exist at hell even a trade school or a community college anything like that um just dive into it just dive into it become an expert yeah and figure out a way to pay your rent until eventually you find that you can either hey make money for it or b just live a fulfilled life with that thing being a huge part of it sure if education is a part of you having a fulfilled life do it 100 if you have that degree and you can put that degree and frame it on your wall and you look at and you’re like i did that way to go yeah that was never important to me no me neither man which is weird because it was so important to everyone else in my family [Music] there are few better foods to eat during the summer than a nice juicy grilled piece of chicken or steak or salmon that’s right whether you have a go-to favorite or you like switching up what you’re grilling you can improve your grilling lineup this summer with butcher box the subscription service that delivers a large selection of high quality meat and seafood right to your door now my favorite thing about butcher box isn’t just the top tier quality meat but it’s super affordable we’re talking less than six dollars per meal on average here people and it’s convenient every month butcherbox ships a curated selection of high 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family is also immigrants which is weird but i forget that i mean they’re you know first generation south african jews yeah who came here but i was also drilled into that every time i still see my family members they’re like when are you going to finish your degree when are you going to finish your degree and they still say that to you yeah oh you’re 30. 29. almost yeah 29. um no and it’s still like when are you going to finish your degree and it’s like what the hell would i get do you think i’m gonna go like work for the cia after my youtube comedy food career is done like what the hell are you talking and there’s no amount of accolade uh forbes 30 under 30 just saying cousins out there um you know we’ll make them satisfied because for them it was like you get an education this is important we came to a new country everybody gets an education you’re either an accountant a lawyer or a doctor yeah yeah yeah but i think now we’re finally seeing that house of cards crumble on the floor yeah burn burn institutionalize for-profit education to the ground baby it’s terrible yeah i mean i don’t know it’s like i see all like a lot of the people in my community are doctors lawyers engineers and they’re all so happy oh that sounds pretty cool though too yeah yeah let me tell you let me tell you as much as i’m like yeah chase your dreams follow your dreams like screw the naysayers um if you want to make a lot of money like a lot go do the things that will make you a lot of money if that’s the key if that’s the key to your happiness do it like make like you know if you like to cook you can also make that a hobby no you know what i mean that’s a huge thing that was a huge thing that’s another thing my mom said she’s like you’re making your hobby your job do you really want to do that and i’m like yeah that’s a question we ask applicants to the mythical kitchen yeah or like the question that i ask because it’s something that not a lot of people put thought into where they’re like this is the thing that brings me the most happiness in the world and now i’m gonna turn into the thing that gives me the most stress in the world yeah let’s do it yeah that’s a rough gambit and sometimes it doesn’t turn out and i mean i know you and i have talked a lot about this how you know occasionally you go home and you’re like ah the thought of you know turning on the oven and prepping food right now makes me sick makes me sick makes me sad i want to do it yeah um my friend nima he is a dentist fantastic dentist he is also a world-class cook yeah dude yo nima i want to try food nicole like comes in telling me about your culinary exploits all the time he’s a perfect example of like i gotta make money to support my lifestyle but i am passionate about this so i’m gonna do it as often as i can he went to school he went to nyu like did all the dentist stuff is like a has a full like career as a dentist every tuesday he makes dinner and feeds us lonely lonely people his creations and he has not stepped foot in a culinary school yeah he has done all of his research on blogs he is a huge fan of l.a taco he has this ramen blog that he follows where he learns like and he just learns he absorbs stuff and that’s just the perfect example of a person who went to school and you know got their education but allowed their hobbies to become something that they will not let go of no matter what that’s so funny because i’m a professional food person but i have an interest in amateur dentistry whenever i go home look at these molars look at these dollars yeah we have a blink 182 distal valve on the bicuspid side right in a secular occlusion r34 dentist how many teeth are there in the human mouth uh there’s either 32 is it 32 or 36. it’s 32. you mens i have like wisdom teeth teeth in your human mouth survey says 32 yeah it sounds right yeah the four the well i was um no a big part of me wanting to become a professional food person i don’t know i say professional i say professional food person too yeah it just makes sense to me i don’t know what else to say to people yeah to this day people still call me a chef though i know same thing i mean mythical chef well you it’s a it’s a brand it’s a brand branding thing it’s a brand more than like what you are because you encapsulate much more than just a chef yeah i don’t know like like i can throw down in the kitchen but a lot of my day is spent like analyzing numbers and trying to figure out how to trick youtube’s algorithm into making us more money so we can you know do bigger better cooler things it’s so weird like they go hey like you’re the chef girl and i’m like i guess i don’t know what else to call myself i just i cut you off from your uh oh no i i was just saying um separating your hobbies is a a big thing that i think is really valuable i think the only thing in life that you should really put stock in is just like have something have something that you can get fired up about have something that you wake up every single day and look forward to even the dumbest things of just like i’m gonna try and do for tata today i just wake up yeah and want to do that you know work or no work and like one of the big things that motivated me to do it was my dad died hobby-less his whole life was just spent you know trying to how old was he when he passed away 64. yeah 64 and he just like didn’t have a ton of passions in life you know like he he worked a corporate job for a while and then lost that bad divorce spent you know the last 15 years of his life just trying to make enough money to scrape by yeah and you know i always internalize that as well i need to get a good job to be stable because money was always a problem for us sure and so that’s why i studied political science because i was like work for the government get a government job but a government job wouldn’t have actually made me happy but i confused lack of money worries with being happy and then i watched him you know die without hobbies and i was just like i don’t want that yeah of course i have a thing that i love i’m going to absolutely chase it and you know to tell people that that is a surefire way to have one success to happiness would be irresponsible just drop out of college where you already have yeah what was it like god school is what like 35 grand a year in time for ucla i think so i think so yeah with like a hundred twenty thousand dollars of sunk cost like yeah you know 50 of that coming in loans pretty damn irresponsible but in-state tuition 43 yeah oh no that’s out-of-state god school’s too expensive but i mean that’d be a thing that i can’t like advocate for people to do because it’s like listen i i got lucky on the statistical sense i worked my ass off and i had a general game plan and i hustled super hard yeah you can’t prescribe that to people i tell myself all the time you are a lucky girl like you are lucky a lot of people would love to be in your position and it’s like you should be grateful for like where you’re at because a lot of people are still working those like crappy line cook jobs and some people love it though somebody can i just tell you something about the grind some people love the grind and they love pushing food out and seeing people’s faces and just enjoying it and i and i love that but like it just was never for me yeah and i like the cushy quote-unquote cushy job i have here it’s kind of it’s it’s interesting i feel that yeah but we get to do the things that we love every day yeah of course and although cooking for me in our kitchen is mostly like nicole i’m gonna fry myself a couple eggs i’m like i’ll buy you some more eggs and we need more eggs yeah i mean we go through so many eggs here we all love eggs between me and v like we’re eating about eight eggs a day v loves eggs yeah do we she fries up like three god bless her i i wish we had time to respond to every single person that dm’s us after they should go to culinary school or just being like i have a passion for food um how do i enact that into a job um because there’s no prescribed way to tell people how to make it happen right yeah if you’re somebody who like you would be happy for food which is so weird because food is so weird it will i mean our job is it’s an industry that did not exist 10 years ago yeah the digital food media what the hell is that i remember growing up and my dad being like there’s a whole channel devoted to just cooking that’s stupid that’ll never work you know what i mean about food network yeah uh and so we’re the first generation to grow up with this as an actual career right like uh similar for say sports broadcasters in like the 60s like sure you know um and so the job that you might want in the culinary field may not even exist yeah it’s really true and so it’s tough to then give people a road map and so you know is culinary school a scam to me it’s always like how much is your time worth how important is money to you how important is institutionalized education if you’re someone i need to have a 200 a month gym membership to work out yeah in the way that i do right like a lot of people are like that they’re like i’m paying this money i’m not going to let it go down the drain yeah yeah i had i had a forty dollar a month membership to la fitness and i never went because it’s kind of crowded yeah they’re telling you to do i made that investment and just decided i’m gonna work out every damn day cause i’m paying out the wazoo for it yeah if you are somebody who you think that you can be the person that like i’m going to make a damn successful culinary career and i have the means to pay off these loans and i’m going to be valedictorian in my class and i’m going to go work in development for southwest airlines to develop their new line of what the hell ever do they have first class in southwest maybe i don’t i’ve never flown southwest but you know what i mean somebody who’s like a really hard-charging gunner wants to do that but if you’re somebody who goes ah i think i kind of like food i don’t know what else to do with my life should i pay you know 80 000 over the course of several years and have the opportunity cost of not working hell no you shouldn’t you should go knock on the door of your local restaurant say hey yo can i wash dishes making 15 an hour whatever the minimum wage is where you are uh and then see if you like it and work yourself up from there i have a confession to make i was a very confused person when i went to culinary school and my my chef uh that i went to dinner with actually reminded me of that he literally while he was like cutting open a meatball he goes you were a confused kid nicole and i’m like me i’m like i’m confused that you thought i was confused he’s like yeah he’s like you just came in and you just liked food he’s like you didn’t know what you wanted to do i’m like i guess but he’s like but look at you now and i’m like yes i don’t know but i was confused in school yeah and if i but the thing is at the end of it i knew what i liked i knew what i didn’t like and i knew what to do to get where i wanted to go yeah yeah and you did it i did i mean there’s still so much more for me to do oh yeah and who knows what the rest of our careers are yeah you five years from now what is five years 2027 yeah 2027. i’ll be living in aruba we’re gonna have the mythical culinary universe nicole is gonna be in a satellite location in aruba yeah she’s going to i’m going to have eight kids i’m gonna be running the the mythical outdoor sand volleyball league all adopted we’re gonna start a mythical sports i’m just gonna have like a little buggy just full of beautiful children just all around the island of aruba ah god bless [Music] all right nicole i’ve heard you and i have to say now it’s time to hear what trevor has to say he’s not a guest on this podcast he’s not he does have his brand new very own podcast called trevor talks too much he’s talking to some of your favorite celebrities out there like streamers and gamers and gaming streamers streaming on games and also non-gaming streaming that’s true like a musical artist yeah uh some internet celebs internet celebs so exciting got a used kia optima from zero percent apr and 29.99 he drives a wrangler oh yeah he has a big jeep that’s really annoying to park next to um but really trevor’s his own podcast trevor talks too much get it wherever you get podcasts uh we’re really excited for him we’re very proud of you trevor i think it should be called trevor talks the appropriate amount that’s too many teas trevor talks tt anyways it’s time for a segment we call opinions are like casseroles [Music] first up we got at basiado the ham pickle cream cheese combo is a very underrated snack food yes at what point do people keep posting this opinion though and it doesn’t become underrated anymore i like turkey you know you know josh you know you know why i buy a lunch meat ham instead of lunch meat turkey why i know you just saw me eat a bunch of lunch meat chicken breasts was that chicken breast yeah i kind of tend to like look away at this point i know i eat i i used to i don’t know eat respectable meals but like in the office now i’ve just made it like a solid 11 a.m after breakfast before lunch snack of just like dipping lunch meat in mustard that’s fine are you you’re like being very fit right now yeah you’re being very good i was trying no there’s no good or bad i just like sorry i decided that i’d like to take a month of like let’s see how if i can get hotter you know i just want to like try listen to me i’ve told you this in passing hotness comes from the inside oh yeah that’s what people say i’m trying to see if i can eat enough lunch meats make my insides hot josh nuts not so humble but i’m so hot on this i just like i like playing with my body nicole like i’ve done okay i’ve done no i’ve done like months stints of i’ve tried keto just to see what it did in my body uh i tried um lean gains it was like a weird intermittent fasting thing i tried going vegan just for the scheissen’s giggles um and now i just decided like i don’t know let’s just try going like no processed sugar no gluten no wheat no alcohol for a month see if it does anything what i found out is that i really like alcohol in bread i love bread i’m happier when i consume them i’d like to keep doing that but i’ve committed to a month is there serotonin in bread yeah dude that’s the main ingredient it’s got like glutens and serotonins and that’s what makes it rise i told the doctor the other day i’m like hey uh do you do they have like serotonin drops and she’s like she’s like do you mean antidepressants nicole i’m like oh oops i’m like why can’t you just like algae drops but serotonin drops and she’s like it doesn’t work like that nicole i’m like oops and you’re like uh i went to culinary school i think i know all right hot tamalea says dr pepper tastes like soy sauce i’m drinking a big old mug diet dp right now smells like prunes it’s a little it’s a little savory i understand the soy sauce note yeah i do i get soy sauce a lot from um stout beer yeah i don’t like stout beer kind of malted soy sauce is brewed i’m not gonna pretend like i actually know what it is i think it’s a fermented soy like you cover soy beans for like absolutely a long time to let it stew for a long time yeah i think so i don’t know if you heat it or not i don’t know seems like it’d be heated right i don’t know ah that’s one of those things that i’m going to google after this and then i’m going to know it which is pretty fun um but yeah no i get that it’s the color is a really big part of how you taste things right there’s that experiment eat with your eyes first i mean there’s a lot of experimentation that is verified this like um they did the thing where they took enology students the wine enology enology and viticulture viticulture viticulture i believe is study of growing grapes technology i believe is a study of making wine nice i think so um shout out to uc davis i almost went there to be in their food science program then found out i am too dumb and chemistry is hard um but no they did a thing of the technology students and they dyed a red wine they dyed a white wine red and asked him for tasting notes and they all described it as a red wine with tasting notes and it’s like no dummy we just dyed it so i get it like you see the dark dr pepper i think that is what makes it taste like soy sauce if it was clear i don’t think you’d get the flavor notes at all okay at let’s go hot tamale again hard-boiled eggs and cream cheese on top of a blueberry bagel hits that makes me physically nauseous thinking about it i don’t like this whole trend of people putting sweet bagels with savory stuff you gotta stop you gotta stop but if you wanna put jelly on like an english muffin with an egg in it that’s fine that’s fine yeah we decide that’s fine even if it seems like it contradicts the things that we said earlier it’s fine because we said it that’s right and we’re in charge yeah you’re listening to us we have the microphone fox is running the hen house baby fans don’t know what the hell is going on oh christ the next one next one i just read okay sorry uh burly underscore girl says salsa on brownies is goats here you’re a liar you’re lying yeah i think this is a this is a fabrication you are a true i think this is a troll troll is there anything that you do that would be comparable to this like what’s the closest thing to sauce and brownies yeah hot sauce on a cookie then i don’t want that putting them dipping jalapeno juice with the the milanos is that good do you do that no i’m just trying to find comparisons yeah i believe this is a troll but that’s oh no you put a little like relish on a cupcake though what are you talking about i like sweet cucumber things cucumber persian ice cream that’s a delight stop trying to justify this i don’t want to listen listen i don’t like this i think you’re a liar but we still like you yeah put bring more opinions i want to know what else burley grows into i love i love this next one at jillyface9 i eat the rind on brie cheese but i don’t like it very much and i’m not really sure if i should i’m gonna you answered your own question there girl or guy or non-binary folk i don’t know you answered the question when you said i don’t like it very much stop eating it um shout out uh shout out to cheeses with edible rinds love you all baby um i love the rice you eat the bree rind of course i do waste not on one knot but that said there are some cheeses where i’m like i’m not sure i’m supposed to eat this and then one of them i thought it was an edible rhine but it was a net it was a net that is one of my favorite cheeses also the trader joe’s on a saint something i don’t know no it’s not saint augur yeah no so i ate a net once don’t eat the net it is very much if you ever see a bright bright bright orange oh port salt porch pork salute pork yeah so you certainly can’t eat the rind on breed there are a lot of people who who would say that you are supposed to yeah i mean i remember like my french teacher telling me that you should eat the rind on brie if you don’t like it don’t do it stop stop it stop it in your mouth chase your bliss this is my turn yeah yeah is it my truth is it my turn yet [Laughter] okay haley poppish xo says my boyfriend hates spaghetti he says it’s a terrible size prefers angel hair or fettuccine he says angel hair for light sauce and fettuccine for den sauce no spaghetti um you know what i understand i understand your boyfriend’s sensitivities i get it it is like it’s it’s mediocre it is it is the baseline now mediocre can be a good thing it can be a bad thing it’s just it’s just right it’s mediocre macaroni that sounds good mediocre macaroni um i agree that light sauces love angel hair cappellini and thicker sauces love fettuccine uh does your does your boyfriend want a job as a culinary producer because yeah i love his opinion this makes a lot of sense this is how i feel about the what they call quote unquote soft taco size tortillas that come from mass market yeah mission and you mean the small one like the street taco ones no because i love those i bought them by the way i bought some corn ones for free today yeah oh very cool very cool i’m not doing processed greens but thanks nicole um why the hell am i doing this myself but no the the soft taco size are too big for a proper taco where they spill out they’re like you know 12 bite taco which doesn’t exist in my mind and they’re too small to roll a proper burrito spaghetti is right in that middle point of thickness that i don’t need just like those tortillas so i agree i don’t even love angel hair but like a rice noodle vermicelli is something that i like really love mm-hmm um but no i’d rather have like most italian pastas i want a thick dense chewy noodle shout out to lasagnette i really want a buccatini with meatballs right now i once this sounds good i want bucatini with people i know i said i’m doing all that no no no we have lettuces oh yeah we got salad for lunch it’s a good salad sweet green does a great job it does not a sponsor just enjoy it yeah um mtc806 says my boyfriend says miracle whip and peanut butter sandwiches are good he’s the zip of miracle whip yeah this is something in southern like in the south yeah peanut banana and mayonnaise is my favorite iteration of that comment of that combo not even peanut butter wasn’t that jimmy carter’s favorite sandwich or something it was something like that he was farmer yeah yeah um but yeah no miracle whip i think works better than mayonnaise because you have a little bit of sweetness to tie into the sweetness of peanut butter um i love miracle i’m a fan coleslaw aioli yeah um i wouldn’t try this i’m not brave enough maybe if you blindfolded me and said hey eat this maybe but like on my own volition nicole loves getting blindfolded fed sandwiches it’s kind of her thing yeah they’re so funny oh it’s my turn uh soju 7 says grape jelly and roast beef cold cuts with white bread surprisingly pretty good i would eat this sandwich more than the mayonnaise and roast beef is just the exact wrong cold it’s almost the worst cold cut though with grape jelly i’d rather have a even a turkey but especially do you think they heat it up uh no i think they’re going cold i think no you need to heat up the roast beef you want a hot roast beef cold grape jelly i don’t care the temperature where is it like it is like a grape jelly oh jew i don’t know like is there like a french dip actually before i just read it you should be the white house you’re not thinking about it no i would i would heat up okay i would i would pan sear the roast beef and then i would uh toast the bread lightly on one side i want some ice cream jelly on both sides of the untoasted bread and then i would put the hot meat and then eat it is there a worse cold cut to use with grape jelly than roast beef though um i don’t know they’re give me some cold cuts pastrami corn that’s pretty bad that’s pretty bad uh brown corn beef salami salami when grape jelly sounds good uh uh uh finocchiona that’s just another kind of bologna ew bologna bologna mortarella mortadella would not work pursuits project like they just named the bird after the country because it was just like a miscommunication on where the bird came from no way yeah i was wondering about that and then i read it in a book you read books i read it it’s so cute and then in some other languages turkeys are mistakenly called um i think ethiopian because there was like it was like the dutch shout out to dan giraffsky in his delightful book about food etymology the turkey sock is wild all right we got at kyle leviathan taylor ham is the best breakfast meat and i was devastated to learn it’s regional to the nj area well kyle levithan i was recently on the jersey shore it was a hot sweltering day i was five to nine white claws deep and i stumbled upon a stand and i got a fried taylor ham aka pork roll uh sandwich with white american cheese and it was one of the better things i’ve ever eaten it was great i we’ve bought taylor ham before for the show yeah and um i haven’t done anything fun with it and i want to eat that sandwich that you said you have did you try it at all you just like fried up some and ate it no you didn’t try it i didn’t get to try it god i know i know i’m so mad at myself i’m mad it’s like spam it’s like if somebody made an artisanal spam that’s what i describe it it’s like a little less pre-form a little more heavily seasoned but still and it’s funny calling taylor ham artisanal but compared to spam it is all right nicole you take the last one because this is a good one okay tayla apper says apple and honey is delicious and non-jews need to get on it i like it it’s not my favorite oh it’s one i like hero set yeah non-jews need to eat more hair a set come to my house my mom will make you really good hair assets because there’s somebody that criticized me for not saying yeah but haro said yeah dude you take the man of cheviots wine walnuts apples and honey and just kind of mash that up into a paste yeah put it on monster that’s like one of my favorite combinations of flavors the wine kicks it off i think we should eat it on more stuff when you and i start a pop-up with our awesome non-culinary school degrees well you still i have an associate’s degree you’re gonna take it away if you don’t pay your student loans soon what i don’t do if any loan collectors are watching this she’s gonna they’ll take my degree away i think so then we’ll have to fire you it’s gonna be super awkward uh but that’s gonna be the dessert i’m saying well i’m gonna be fired by that point apparently you see like keeps emailing me they’re like hey welcome back to school i’m like piss off win me a national championship in basketball this year then we’ll talk my school doesn’t exist anymore oh yeah that’s another thing a lot of culinary schools are actually just scams to get shut down yeah let’s show yeah shout out i am glad i went oh education well on that note thank you so much for listening to hot dogs as a sandwich if you want to hear more from us here in the mythical kitchen we got new episodes for you every wednesday if you want to be featured on opinions or like casseroles you can hit us up on twitter at mythicalchef or and henderson with a hashtag opinion casserole no gods no masters just culinary school for more mythical kitchen check us out on youtube where we launch new videos every week and of course if you want to share pictures of your dishes including the ones you’ve learned in culinary school hit us up on instagram at mythical kitchen we’ll see you next time [Music] you