(upbeat music) – Welcome to Ear Biscuits. I’m Link. – And I’m Rhett. This week at the round table of dim lighting we’re going to be doing another throwback episode to a good long time ago when we talked about what I call my layers. – And I call, well, different things, including obsessions. – Basically, a series of interests that I have had over the years. And we’re kind of exploring how they affected me, how they affected you. – Yeah, yeah, there is an interesting dynamic that we do explore that I… I do find it interesting how we work so differently, but the interplay that happens with something that you really get into, sometimes for just a fleeting moment could have ripple effects through my entire life. (laughs) – Again, we’re on a short break from releasing new Ear Biscuits. So, that’s why we’re doing the throwback this week. And we got one more throwback next week, and then we are back to fresh Biscuits two weeks from now. – But before we get into it, we wanna throw a quick plug to us coming to a stage in the northeast America or Canada. – First, we will let you know there’s still time to get tickets for Australia late July, the 27th, 29th, and 30th. We’ll be in Melbourne, Sidney, and Brisbane, respectively. So, go to Tour of Mythicality for tickets there. And then like Link said, we’re gonna be in the northeast, we’re gonna be in Toronto on November 8th, we’re gonna be in Atlantic City on November 9th, and then we’re gonna be in Connecticut at the Foxwood Resort Casino on November 10th. – Go to TourofMythicality.com to get the info and get the tick-skits. – The ticks-skits. – But right now, let’s dive into Rhett’s psyche, and then come out the other end of my situation. – What orifice? – You’ll see. (upbeat music) – [Rhett] Welcome to Ear Biscuits. I’m Rhett. – [Link] And I’m Link. Thanks for joining us today. That’s right, it’s another interesting conversation with someone interesting from the interesting internet. – [Rhett] Interesting net. – [Link] At the round table of dim lighting this week we have each other. Rhett. – [Rhett] Us! – [Link] That’s right, people. You get another Rhett and Link only Ear Biscuit this week. I’m not gonna apologize for that. – [Rhett] Well, you don’t have to. I mean, you seem like you were about to apologize for it. And then you said, “I’m not gonna apologize for it. “I thought about apologizing for it.” – [Link] Kind of like a backwards apology. – [Rhett] “But I’m not gonna apologize for it.” – [Link] We’ve got some dark chocolate here that I will be eating as we have this conversation I’m very much looking forward to. I think that, Rhett, I know you’re gonna enjoy it. But I think that you’re gonna enjoy it out there in your ear cans or your… (laughs) – [Rhett] Your ear cans. – [Link] Or in your car. I like to imagine you, wherever you are being transported to another world. It’s like you’re sitting here at this table with us. It’s like you’re the guest today, but you’re silent. – [Rhett] Somebody out there is on a bus. You’re on the bus, you get on the bus every single day. – [Link] Wearin’ ear cans. – [Rhett] You got those ear cans on, and you’re like, “All right, time for my Biscuit as I go along.” And you’re making eye contact with the guy across from you right now who also has on ear cans. He’s listening to another podcast. What I want you to do right now is, I want you to pause this. I want you to take your ear cans off. I want you to go, I want you to grab him by his ears, pull his ear cans out and say, “What podcast are you listing to?” And then he’s gonna say, “Ah, something else.” And then you say, “You should be listening to Ear Biscuits.” – [Link] And give him your ear cans. – [Rhett] He’s gonna start to try to say something, and you just put your finger over his lips and say, “Shh, Ear Biscuits.” And then go back and sit down. That’s how we spread the word about Ear Biscuits. – [Link] Awkward. – [Rhett] One creepy interaction at a time. – [Link] Okay, here’s what I’ve decided to do in this Rhett and Link only Ear Biscuit this week. I want to explore a phenomenon related to you, Rhett. – [Rhett] Yeah, that’s me, I’m here. – [Link] And this is a fascinating phenomenon in how your brain works, how your life works, I guess. That not only have I noticed this, but– – [Rhett] You peaked my interest. – [Link] Your wife has chronicled this. – [Rhett] Somewhat. – [Link] In fact today, I asked you to send her a text to make sure I wasn’t missing anything in my list of what I wanna go through. And she replied with even more things to add to the list. – [Rhett] She did. – [Link] Not only has your wife chronicled and diagnosed, I’ll even say, this phenomenon. – [Rhett] Talking about my psoriasis? – [Link] But my wife as well has been a part of this conversation, and we have labeled this phenomenon that is not necessarily unique to you, but between the two of us, it is. And I think that there is also, as we discuss this, it is kind of a discussion about the interplay of our friendship and how we’re different, and how the dynamic of it and how things work, and how your personality impacts how we interact. – [Rhett] Okay. – [Link] I’m not gonna hedge anymore. – [Rhett] Are you gonna ask me questions? Is that how it’s gonna work? – [Link] Yeah, I’ve got a list here, I’m gonna prompt you– – [Rhett] Do I need to lay down? – [Link] With some things. No, it’s not a counseling appointment. It’s just a fun conversation. – [Rhett] Do I need to stand up? – [Link] Okay, Rhett is an ideas guy. I mean, it’s one of the things that I’ve liked about him, in the past. (laughs) – [Rhett] That I’ve liked. One of those things that I used to like about him. – [Link] One of the things that I appreciate about you. – [Rhett] Till it got old. – [Link] Rhett goes through a series of obsessions like a fashion designer goes through new outfits. And I thought it would be fun to explore all of the obsessions that Rhett has had over the years. Things that he gets really excited about for one hot minute. Before, just long enough, it hasn’t even cooled off before he’s moved on to the next thing that he’s, “I’m so excited about this. “This is the thing.” And so, I’ve called it, Jessie, you’re wife, and my wife, Christy, we talk about this, and we’re like, “Okay, it’s another obsession. “Rhett’s talking about vitamins and natural medicine.” – [Rhett] They call it phases. – [Link] Phases, that’s right. – [Rhett] My wife calls it a phase. – [Link] A phase, “Oh, he’s just “going through another phase. “He’s talking about natural medicine, “he’s reading a book about what vitamins he’s gonna take, “what supplements he’s gonna take. “Next week it’ll be gone. “It’s just a phase. “It’s an obsessive phase.” – [Rhett] Can I give you my perspective on that? That you already know? – [Link] Yeah, that’s not what you call it. – [Rhett] I call it layers. Because my contention is that, yes, these particular things that I know what you’re gonna list, I know what my layers are, I may have had a more heated passion for them at times that has subsided somewhat. However, they remain on my mind, in my heart, and a part of my life at different points, and I can access them at any time. And some I just wanna go back and I wanna go deeper. – [Link] And there’s an interesting phenomenon. – [Rhett] It’s a layer, it’s a layer. – [Link] Okay, so I have a list of these layers. – [Rhett] Oh good, you’re using my terminology. I like that. – [Link] One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14. I mean, I’ve got 14 of these. We may not even get through all of ’em. – [Rhett] Okay. I would love to talk, I could do a podcast on each. – [Link] So, there’s no need to spend too much time on each one. But I think as we go through it, there’s an interesting phenomenon, that, the reason why we call ’em an obsession because you bring these things to us. To me, to your wife, sometimes to my wife. Well, you bring it to me and it’s an implication for Christy that this could change my life if I decide to get into this too. So, it’s always a point of decision for us when you have your new layer. Am I in this, am I in on this? And if I am, then it could really take off, because it’s like adding fuel to a fire kind of thing. Or is this not for me kind of a thing. – [Rhett] Right, because you tend to be– – [Link] I’m in an interesting position. – [Rhett] Pretty singularly focused on things, and so if you get into something, well buddy, you go pretty deep. – [Link] Right. Let’s just get to one. These are semi chronological order. Ultralights. – [Rhett] Oh ultralights, yes. This is a class of airplanes that, at the time I became interested in these. – [Link] Class of airplanes that what? – [Rhett] A class of airplanes that you don’t need a real license to fly. Now, that has changed. I don’t remember what year it was. It was about the time I was interested in this, they were changing, and creating a new classification of airplanes. But let me tell you about this. I was working for Black and Veatch engineering firm. This is my first job right outta college. And we didn’t have a whole lot of work going on. I spent a lot of time on the interwebs. And one of the things I found is that there were these dudes who were really into flying these different contraptions. And it was all kinds of different stuff. – [Link] Contraption is a great word for it. – [Rhett] Right, ’cause they’re not really planes. They are mostly either a powered parachute. And I’m talking a guy with a parachute, and then he has a propeller on his back, like a backpack that is a propeller. And you can fly all round the world on this thing. Well, you can fly around a county with it. – [Link] So, it’s for people who are obsessed enough with flying to strap a fan to their back and some wings above them but not obsessed enough to get a proper license. – [Rhett] Yeah, yeah, an actual license– – [Link] Who are we kidding? – [Rhett] Too much work. – [Link] You don’t need one of those. – [Rhett] And trust me, one you get into this and you start reading what these guys say about it, it’s like they say you’re one with, you’re like a bird. This is as close as you can be to being a bird. In fact, there’s a movie called Fly Away Home, which is about geese being led back home by an ultralight. And this was an ultralight trike, which is basically a tricycle with a big hang glider wing on it. – [Link] And you’re reading all this stuff over the course of– – [Rhett] Oh, I love ’em. – [Link] I mean, like five days. – [Rhett] Oh, no, no, you gotta give me more credit than that. I read about them for weeks. And then I contacted a guy in Irwin who was doing lessons. – [Link] But before you contacted him, you were talking to me about it. – [Rhett] Oh, yeah, I was in. – [Link] I agreed to go to Irwin, and to get on one of these things. I was like, “How much does it cost?” You were like, “$300, you good to go?” I was like, “I’ll go up once an see if I catch the fever, “but I’m not gonna really read anything before I go.” – [Rhett] But I had mine priced out and everything. I had a ballistic parachute that was gonna be attached to it. – [Link] Like your personal one, not the– – [Rhett] Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because you got a altimeter on this thing, GPS. I mean there was a guy who went all the way from North America to England, United Kingdom on one of these things. – [Link] He went over the Atlantic Ocean. – [Rhett] North Atlantic, yeah. So anyway, yes, I still want to do this. I tell you, the thing that stopped me on this one, the thing that stopped me on this one, was the fact that I’m a family man. And that every time I got really close to doing it is when I realized that, you know, this is how John Denver died. You know? – [Link] Was it? – [Rhett] John Denver died in an ultralight, yeah. – [Link] Really? – [Rhett] Mm-hm. – [Link] I didn’t know that. – [Rhett] Country roads take me home. – [Link] Straight down into the ocean. – [Rhett] He ran into, I think it was the side of a mountain probably, ’cause of rocky mountain high. – [Link] That’s what that song is about? – [Rhett] Is it too soon to joke about John Denver’s death? – [Link] I think it’s okay. (laughs) – [Rhett] Okay. – [Link] I don’t think there’s anyone who’s upset right now. – [Rhett] So, I was just like, okay, this may not be the best idea. – [Link] So, you put pause on that one. But that’s a layer because you might go down with it? – [Rhett] At any moment I could get right back into that. I am so close. They do it out in Ventura County. It’s the place to be. Yeah, it’s amazing. – [Link] Well, we’re at a point where, if it can be an episode of Good Mythical Morning and I don’t have to pay anything, I’m very much in. But I am a family man. So, I mean, when the rubber meets the road or doesn’t meet the road anymore, I really have to think about that. – [Rhett] You’re not gonna die. The technology has improved over the past decade. – [Link] Here’s another one. Chiropractic. – [Rhett] Okay. – [Link] Now, for a normal person it’s like, okay, chiropractors. I could see how you might do some research. But calling that an obsession or a layer is a little bit different than saying, “Well, I went to a chiropractor.” – [Rhett] Well, it’s interesting because… – [Link] Is it interesting? – [Rhett] These are all interesting. Otherwise I wouldn’t be interested in ’em. But I will say I don’t believe, I think a lot of stuff is pseudoscience including a lot of chiropractic medicine. This whole idea that the alignment of your spine will improve every part of your well being, I think that that’s wishful thinking, and I don’t think that there’s actual scientific support for that. However– – [Link] But there’s no need for them to push it that far, ’cause there is something there. – [Rhett] Right, I just wanna be clear that I went to a chiropractor who, I do believe that there’s a certain portion of chiropractic medicine, which is definitely legitimate medicine. I mean, they do x-rays of your back. They do manipulation to move things. They know stretches and strength exercises, and that kind of thing. You know, I got a bad back. I’ve had a bad back since I was in high school. So, starting in college, I got interested in this. And I was like this could be my thing. You know, I could go on a regular basis. And I think, in my day, I’ve seen three or four different chiropractors. But I wouldn’t call this an obsession. – [Link] No, you just said, there was a thought that had crossed your mind. You said, “This could be my thing.” Going to a chiropractor, you got excited. – [Rhett] I thought it could be the thing that kept me pain free. – [Link] Oh, but you didn’t think, “I’m gonna–” – [Rhett] Be a chiropractor, no. – [Link] Or go every week, and that’ll be fun. – [Rhett] No, I actually thought I was gonna go twice a week for an extended period of time. – [Link] But you didn’t do it. – [Rhett] I didn’t do that either, because my insurance plan didn’t have enough visits, and so again, I was prohibited. What you’ll find is that, in most of these times, it wasn’t my own decision that I moved on to the next thing. I was prohibited, from exploring it further. – [Link] Well, okay, we can move on, but I don’t want to put you on the defensive. – [Rhett] Oh, I’m not being defensive, I’m being explanatory. – [Link] I have to say, while I didn’t, you seem to be defensive, like I would still be doing this, if it wasn’t for something else. And the reason why is because, well that’s the difference between an obsession and a layer. A layer (laughs), it’s a dormant layer. – [Rhett] I learned enough, because this is, one of the things that does happen to me, I will say this. I love to read, right? And I’m always reading something. And I get, okay. Here’s the difference between me and you. Well, there’s a lot of differences between me and you, as we’ve established. But our reading habits are very different. I’m currently reading eight books. – [Link] Right, like if you look at your bedside, or maybe your kindle, if you do it that way. There’s like a stack. Like there’s a physical stack by your bedside, right? – [Rhett] Well, I do, I read– – [Link] A digital stack. – [Rhett] Right, exactly, I have my iPhoto. Uh, iPhoto (laughs). – Link You read pictures? – [Rhett] iPhone library. – [Link] But for me, like three– – [Rhett] But I will say, let me finish, I have not finished any of those books, and it is very likely that I won’t finish the majority of them, because I get the idea of the book, and then I’m like, “All right, I see where you’re going buddy.” And I’m on to the next book. – [Link] And for me, if you look at my bedside, or my Kindle, there’s only gonna be one book on my bedside. Or one book within the Kindle. Even within the Kindle. Like, I’ll clean them off, because I don’t even want to see another book in the Kindle that I could read. – [Rhett] You’re joking. – [Link] When I read– – [Rhett] Just don’t click on it. – [Link] When I first got the Kindle, the first book I bought was Game of Thrones. Like two and a half years later, I was reading Game of Thrones. Like I read all the books. But I was committed. I’m gonna keep reading Game of Thrones, and nothing else, until I have exhausted it. – [Rhett] And I read half. – [Link] I haven’t watched the television show. But I’ve read every single page of the books, because once I got there, I was committed. And I actually felt an obligation to keep doing it. Like, say when I get the idea, I’m gonna move onto the next thing. Something, I don’t know, and I think this is a problem for me, that I’m like, “I can’t move on.” – [Rhett] Well, but a narrative work like Game of Thrones, I’ll admit, I read half of it, and quit. You can’t get the idea (laughter) You don’t know how it ends. – [Link] It never ends. – [Rhett] I read mostly non-fiction, and a lot of times you can an idea, right? But with Game of Thrones it’s just like, “Man, this is a long book. “It’s very good, it’s very long.” I feel like if I commit every night to reading this book, there’ll be like seven other books that I can’t get to. And so then I get distracted and I go to these other books. – [Link] Once I ran out of Game of Thrones, I started reading some non-fiction. I can’t remember what it was, but it was most likely something that you were reading at the time that you were talking to me about. So then I just pick that up and started reading it. – [Rhett] I started Games of Thrones and was like, “This is awesome.” And then you read everything. And I’m still halfway through the first one. – [Link] Right, and then you recommended another book, and I can’t remember what it was, but I guarantee you I read the whole thing. Just out of a sense of obligation. – [Rhett] Huh, an obligation to the author, or an obligation to yourself? Because you know, they don’t keep up with whether or not you finish a book. – [Link] I can’t even say. It’s a subconscious thing. It’s like, well once you start something, you gotta finish it. – [Link] I don’t think there’s anything to apologize, I mean, I’d love to finish all the books. But my point was, I read enough about chiropractic to know that, this is probably not a completely legitimate enterprise, and I know I’m probably upsetting people who are into chiropractic medicine. I was like, “You know, I don’t think “I’m gonna do this a whole lot.” – [Link] Okay, that one’s a little controversial. Some people have different opinions on chiropractic. Let’s go even more controversial. Guns. – [Rhett] Oh yeah, mm-hmm. – [Link] You had a guns obsessions (laughs). Well, it’s a little strong. – [Rhett] My father-in-law took us walking. My father-in-law has always had a bunch of guns. And he’s a guy from the South, and it’s not uncommon. – [Link] My uncle’s a hunter. I mean, he’s got cases behind safes. Lots of guns. – [Rhett] My father-in-law is not a hunter, he’s just a gun owner. – [Link] A collector? – [Rhett] Yeah, he’s just a guy who has a lot of stuff, and one of the things he has a lot of is guns. And this is really funny because I’m gonna say this in a way that is as sensitive as possible, because in reality it’s hilarious. My sister-in-law fell in love with Chris, my brother-in-law, who is half Palestinian and half Lebanese. She has since been married to him for fifteen years or so. But right at the beginning of the relationship, a typical middle eastern family, when you meet one, then you meet everyone, right? So we met Chris, and we are immediately introduced to all his cousins and aunts and uncles who lived in the Raleigh-Durham area. And this, keep in mind, this is, first of all, all of them, it’s not like any of them are terrorists. But this was right after 9-11. Right after 9-11. – [Link] Like 9-12? – [Rhett] Legitimately like, within the year of 9-11. And we go out on some land with Chris’ family. All these middle eastern guys, and we take all these assault rifles, I’m not kidding. – [Link] From where? – [Rhett] They had them. And my father-in-law had them. I’m talking like semi-automatic, some automatic guns. Just a bunch of guns. And they bring a picture of Osama Bin Laden. Because they’re anti-Osama. – [Link] They’re gonna shoot this picture. – [Rhett] And they’re gonna shoot the picture. – [Link] Okay good. – [Rhett] But it was just a weird time in my life. – [Link] You were there. – [Rhett] I was there, and I was shooting a picture of Osama Bin Laden with an Uzi. – [Link] With an uzi? – [Rhett] With an uzi. – Link I wasn’t there for this. – [Rhett] I was out there on this land in the middle of Harnett County, shooting these guns. And I’m just like, “This is so weird.” – [Link] But worthy of– – [Rhett] But, I was like, this is fun. (laughter) – [Link] Because there’s power behind unloading some ammo. – [Rhett] Yeah right, it’s target practice. Just out, a bunch of good ol’ boys from the middle east, just shooting a picture of Osama Bin Laden. And at that point, I was like, “You know what? “Maybe I should have some guns.” And again, if you’re not from the United States, and you’re not from the South. One of the things I’ve learned in doing Good Mythical Morning, and being on the internet, and seeing all the comments from people. People don’t understand gun culture in America, and I don’t blame you. It seems crazy. But I got a gun, I went to a– – [Link] You went to a gun show, right? – [Rhett] I went to a gun show at NC State Fairgrounds, Dorton Arena, and I bought a .38 special. Which was a cop revolver. So we’re talking about, I didn’t get an Uzi, I got a revolver. – [Link] It has six bullets at a time, and they revolve. – [Rhett] Yes, it’s an old style. – [Link] Old school. – [Rhett] It’s the kind of thing that Rosco P. Coltrane would have had in his holster on Dukes of Hazzard. – [Link] Or Rosco P. Coltrane. That’s what we used to call him as kids. And this is where it intersects me, because you come back and you’re like, “I bought a revolver. “And let’s go into the woods and shoot it. “And you should get one.” – [Rhett] Oh yeah. – [Link] And so here’s my point of decision. I’m like, “Well, how much is it?” That’s always my thing, is like, how much? I know you’re into this, and that means I’m gonna be into it, how much is my wallet gonna hurt. And I realized that my grandfather had a .357 magnum as a sheriff’s deputy, and he’s– – [Rhett] Smith and Wesson. – [Link] He had passed away a few years earlier. I asked my grandma, “Could I have his gun?” Mainly for sentimental reasons, but then also to have something to shoot whenever we went into the woods and did some target practice. I got that thing, and I went out there that one time with you. And it was fun until I had to fire the thing. And it was scary to me. – [Rhett] It wasn’t fun to you? – [Link] It kicked like a mule, man. – [Rhett] Yeah, you got a .357. You had the step up from the .38. Well, it was a magnum, .357 magnum. Smaller bullets, smaller caliber, but more gunpowder. – [Link] Okay, I didn’t hate it, but I was really bad at it. And it was kind of, there was a jolt to it. So it didn’t take with me, it didn’t take. – [Rhett] Well, I will say, it didn’t necessarily take with me either. I never buy another gun, and I haven’t shot that gun, in ten years. But I still know how to, and I’m ready at a moment’s notice. – [Link] Okay, so should we move on to the next one on the list here? Now, this one is related, crow hunting. – [Rhett] This one, this is– – [Link] Do you hunt crows with a .38? – [Rhett] Well, you’d have to be a really good shot. You hunt crows with a shotgun, scatter pattern. – [Link] I was not involved in this. I was on the fringe, very fringe of this. – [Rhett] Right, so I’m at Black and Veatch, lots of stuff happened when I was an engineer that wasn’t engineering. – [Link] Boredom breeds obsession. – [Rhett] Somehow, I stumble upon this website, where these guys out in the Midwest are hunting crows. At the request of farmers out there. Because crows destroy crops, and there’s lots of them. There’s no population problem with crows. There’s more than we can handle. So there’s no limit, and some states there’s no limit on how many crows you can shoot. So these dudes just go out and they just kill like 50 crows. Because the farmer wants them dead, and they’re like pests. It’s like pest control. But you know, you start shooting that many birds, you feel like, “Whoa, we should do something “with these birds, we should eat ’em.” And so there’s all these crow recipes. The thing I found out, and I reading about this, is that crows are extremely intelligent. Now they’re not as smart as us, they are birds (laughter). And they’re not as smart as dolphins, or anything like that. But you can teach a crow to talk just like a parrot. A crow is incredibly intelligent, it has an amazing vocabulary. – [Link] You can teach a crow to talk. – [Rhett] You can teach a crow to say things like, “Polly want a cracker?” You can teach a crow to say those kinds of things. – [Link] First of all, just to clear it up a little bit. Polly doesn’t want a cracker. – [Rhett] How do you know, though? – [Link] Since when does Polly want a cracker? But go ahead. – [Rhett] A crow is incredibly smart, has an incredible vocabulary, and what this lends itself to is– – [Link] Shooting it. – [Rhett] You can draw a crow in using it’s own vocabulary. Trick a crow. This is fascinating, okay? This is one of the reasons I got into this. There are these tapes that you can buy, okay? They’re an audio track where you can create a situation, somehow they recorded crows, or they’ve made crow sounds of a certain scenario that will cause a bunch of crows to come in. So what they do, is they have this thing. Do you know that crows hate owls? Owls and crows are arch-rivals. – [Link] Do they eat each other? They compete for the same mice. – [Rhett] There is a tape that you can get. A soundtrack, that is an owl attacking a baby crow. And so you hear the sound of the owl, and then you hear a baby crow crying, a distress call. And then it brings in hundreds of crows, depending on where you’re at. So the idea that you could do this. – [Link] And you set up a fake owl there, too. – [Rhett] And fake crows. – [Link] And fake crows right? – [Rhett] I’m glad you remember more than I do. – [Link] Well you told me about it. You tried to get me to do it. – [Rhett] You get a fake owl. – [Link] And this is a three-dimensional owl. – [Rhett] A three-dimensional owl, and then you can get the three-dimensional crows, or you can get the two dimensional. I made two dimensional crows. I bought poster board. – [Link] Out of construction paper. – [Rhett] Out of construction paper, poster board. And I made these things. – [Link] And you put them on a stick. And you just jab them down into the ground, around the owl. – [Rhett] Yeah, I took a boom box, and I bought a bull horn, and I took the boom box apart. I wired the audio wires, instead of going to the speakers in the boom box, I wired them directly to a bull horn. And so I could play it really loudly. – [Link] If you ever wonder if your boyfriend or husband is bored, and you see him building crows out of poster board, and booming crow sounds from a boom box, you’re answer is yes. Channel that miz energy somewhere. – [Rhett] I’m gonna disappoint you, first of all– – [Link] So you build all this stuff. You go out, you set up the scene, you blare the crow sounds. – [Rhett] I go out with a good friend of mine from work, Sean Collins, and he goes out there with me. And we didn’t know what we were doing. We expected dozens of crows to come in. We had like one crow come in, and he looked down there, and he was like, “That’s poster board.” And he flew away. We shot at him, nothing happened. – [Link] Did he say that in English, was he talking? – [Rhett] “That’s poster board.” And so, I never killed a crow. I’m sure that’s a relief to those of you who were worried about how many crows I was gonna kill. I never killed a crow. – [Link] Well they’re so smart. – [Rhett] And then, because I’m just not good at it, but I was so interested in it. Here’s what happened. And this is a microcosm of what has happened with me and you in a number of times. Sean Collins, I left Black and Veatch, and Sean Collins had just done it with me, had just done this crow hunting. He carried the torch, and he became like an incredible crow hunter. – [Link] Crow stalker? – [Rhett] This dude– – [Link] You gave him your boom box, didn’t you? – [Rhett] I said, “You can have it.” And he got other dudes into it. And I don’t know if they still do it to this day, but there was like a little community of guys that were like holding down the fort. – [Link] In your wake, man, in your wake of obsession. You created a covey. – [Rhett] You bought the tapes, you made the contraption, you made those things out of poster board. You’ve got the owl, let me have all that. And he still does it. Well I like to think that he still does it. – [Link] He’s got his own reality television show. – [Rhett] He’s controlling the crow population of North Carolina. – [Link] Crow man. Something to think about. – [Rhett] And you know this. What happens is, I get interested in something. And if there’s stuff associated with it– – [Link] You get the stuff. – [Rhett] You gotta get the stuff, or you gotta make the stuff. That’s when something really gets me, if there’s stuff involved. Because I wanna get that stuff (Link laughs). – [Link] Wait, you can make crows out of poster board? I’m in (Rhett laughs). It’s like, really? Okay, here’s another one on the list. – [Rhett] I gotta get back into that. It’s probably illegal in California. – [Link] This is not healthy. I should not be, and so I’m conjuring, over the course of an hour, I’m conjuring up your emotions associated with every single layer at once. Like, you’re gonna explode. – [Rhett] I’m not gonna go to sleep tonight. – [Link] I’m afraid of what you’re gonna try to get me into in the morning. Next on the list, wine pairings? – [Rhett] Yeah. – [Link] Wine pairings. – [Rhett] Yeah, I’m a fan of wine, you know that. I like to drink it with my meals. – [Link] Well I’ve seen, you’ve had a glass of wine. I would never call you a fan of wine, or a wine aficionado. – [Rhett] But I got close to becoming one. – [Link] But you thought about what it would be like if you came close to becoming one. – [Rhett] Once I figured out that there was this, there was a whole world of people who experimented with pairing wine with food. Because that’s when wine really opens up, right? When you start pairing it with food. – [Link] Does it? That’s what the menus say. – [Rhett] There are no rules. There used to be, you had to eat this kind of meat with this kind of wine, but there are no rules. It’s whatever tastes best to you. But interestingly, there were these apps in books. Before apps there were books that suggested wine pairings. And I got a little obsessed. I did think, “Oh, this is something I could get into.” Again, if there’s something you can learn, and something you can buy, and something you can do, I’m in. What about it, it was great. – [Link] So what about it? What I mean was, you were intrigued by the fact you could take this certain, you could take a pork chop, and you could buy this wine, and you consume them together, and experience something. – [Rhett] Something better, something better. (Link laughs) I grew up drinking milk with spaghetti at my house, you know? And it’s just, no, you get this right wine, and they interact. It’s synergy happening in your meal. – [Link] Right, I’m laughing. I know this is true, I mean I accept this. But, so what happened? – [Rhett] Well what happened was, is you know, that’s a rather expensive hobby. (Link laughs) – [Link] Well yeah, I mean pork chops are expensive. Much less the wine. – [Rhett] And honestly, you gotta have somebody to do this with. My wife is not a big wine drinker. She doesn’t really enjoy wine. You buy a bottle of wine, you break it open, and you’re the only one drinking, it’s gonna be over pretty soon you’re gonna be asleep. (Link laughs) And so, we have some wine, we drink it occasionally, try to make pairings. It’s just, this is the thing. And I think this is where we’re going with this. I’m kind of processing this. I get interested in a lot of things, but if I’m gonna stick with it, I gotta have a partner. You have to get into it, or my wife has to get into it. And if neither one of you get into it, I’m probably gonna move on. – [Link] Yeah, and we know that. And we don’t take that lightly (laughs). – [Rhett] But that’s not gonna stop me from continuing to get into stuff. – [Link] I mean, we like to make fun of you, but I mean, what I tried to say at the beginning was, I appreciate, well I said I appreciate, I said I appreciated, but I appreciate the fact that you’re an ideas guy. And I think this dovetails with that, that I would be content to just live my simple little life, and do my simple little routine, and make the crevasses in my brain deeper, and not form any new connections. To my own detriment. I don’t like that about myself. So I like interfacing with someone, let’s call that person you. – Rhett That’s me. – [Link] Who says, okay. It is exciting, okay, if I don’t like this thing, well, he’s gonna present me with something. And that’s exciting, and if I don’t like it, well I can say that, ’cause there’ll be something else next week. – [Rhett] True, this is true. – [Link] And it’s great. So, this is a good arrangement. – [Rhett] And if you ever get interested in that thing again, like as we go through this list tonight, and you’re like, “I’d like to get back into wine pairings.” I’m like, “Buddy, I got the app, I’m ready.” (laughter) I need to re-download it, but I’ve already bought it. – [Link] You’ve got to unearth that layer, and bring it, you’ve gotta toil it to the surface. – [Rhett] I have to expose that layer. – [Link] I would love to have, I mean I have some dark chocolate. And I mean I’d love to pair that with some Yerba Mate. I’d like to get real experimental with this. I’m open to that, but let’s move on. – [Rhett] All right, there’s plenty to go. – [Link] Fossils in geology. – [Rhett] Now I want to say, this is something, I’ve never lost interest in this. I’ve been interested in geology ever since I took a class in college. – [Link] Every since Ted McKinney gave you an arrow head on the Royal Ambassador’s hiking trip. – [Rhett] Well that’s archeology, that’s not really geology. I mean, I guess indirectly, it’s geology, because it was, at one point, a rock. – [Link] Okay, smarty pants (laughter). – [Rhett] I’m talking the layers of the earth. You see that? I’ve got layers. One of my layers is the layers of the earth itself. – [Link] Okay, is that a meta joke? – [Rhett] I am fascinated by the history of the earth, I’m fascinated by geological formations. And I am fascinated by fossils. And I’ve got a couple, some trilobites. I don’t know how many millions of years old they are. I knew at one point. They’re in a safe at home. – [Link] Why? – [Rhett] Why? – [Link] Why is a trillo-bite, or a trilobite, in a safe? Why isn’t it out on your coffee table? Somebody gonna steal it? – [Rhett] I have a safe that has things in it that mean a lot to me, and I don’t have a way to display this. I hope one day to have a man cave of sorts. – [Link] And you’re gonna take what’s in the safe, and you’re gonna put it in a case. – [Rhett] Yes. In the man cave, there will be a lot of Hawk Man paraphernalia, memorabilia. – [Link] Well, and there lies another layer. – [Rhett] And there will be fossils. You can go on Ebay, and for a pretty penny, you can get like a small dinosaur skull fossil. You can also get replicas of like a T-Rex that are made out of resin, or whatever. It’s still expensive, but not the real thing. – [Link] Full size? – [Rhett] Yes. – [Link] Really? You have to build it yourself. – [Rhett] I mean, the head will come as one thing. But I want a man cave that’s got like these up lit dinosaur fossils (Link laughs). And you’re walking around in a museum. I want that someday. – [Link] What about studio? – [Rhett] Okay, we can do a studio too. But the reason I’m fascinated with it, is because it’s incredible. – [Link] I get it. – [Rhett] It’s incredible to hold something in your hands that lived a hundred million years ago. That’s fascinating. – [Link] I get it. – [Rhett] To hold that in your hand. – [Link] I mean I could, depending on the cost, I could start a trilobite collection. But here’s the thing. If I bought one, I would buy as many as Merle Haggard records as I bought. Like, we’re both equally into Merle Haggard, but who bought all the Merle Haggard records? Me. You probably said, “Oh, that would be cool to buy one, “But I’m just gonna listen to Merle Haggard.” And I’m like, no I’m gonna go on Ebay, and I’m gonna buy sixty five records, and then I’m gonna hang them meticulously on our wall. – [Rhett] But fossils are more expensive than records. – [Link] Exactly, so I know I can’t buy one. Because I can’t buy just one. But I do respect it. And you know, camping, and I think we’ll get back to the whole camping thing, ’cause it comes to another layer, but it dovetails with, when you get into nature, and you’re seein’ those things, I can see now. I’m very close to that one. – [Rhett] I turn rocks over all the time. I’ve never found a fossil in the wild, that’s a dream of mine. – [Link] Or an arrow head. – [Rhett] I have found an arrow head. – [Link] But it’s not a fossil, Rhett. That’s not a fossil. – [Rhett] Yeah, it’s an artifact. – [Link] So I get it, but let’s move on. – [Rhett] All right. – [Link] Next on the list, Crown Victorias. – [Rhett] Oh buddy, Crown Victoria. – [Link] Now, when you say Crown Victoria in this context, especially after talking about fossils and weighty stuff like that, I think people are thinking, royalty or something. Like is this a historical obsession of some sort, like Queen Victoria? – [Rhett] No, this is a Ford car. (Link laughs) – [Link] The cop car. – [Rhett] That cops drive. Cops still drive them. But it used to, it’s a quintessential cop or government car. – [Link] And can I, what you, the listener is thinking right now, is “How can anyone have an obsession?” Okay, I get fossils, wine pairings, yeah. There’s people who are really into these things. You can read books about this stuff. You don’t go to the Barnes and Noble, and find a section devoted to Crown Victoria Ford cop cars. How on earth could you have an obsession? And you admit to this, right? – [Rhett] Oh yeah, I still want one. Okay, and this is gonna sound crazy to you listeners. I actually, back in the early 2000’s, created a savings account, a money market account. Back when IG and Direct, remember them? Capital One bought them. But you could start a money market account, back when money market accounts could actually generate some interest. And there comes a point, it’s always like, I’m gonna save some money for something. – [Link] And what could that be? Well, let me figure it out. – [Rhett] And it came time to name the account. And I named the account Crown Victoria. – [Link] Why? – [Rhett] Because I wanted one. Now, why did I want one? First of all– – [Link] So you were saving up to buy one? – [Rhett] I think I called the account Crown Victoria slash Vacation. It was like, we need to save some money, I gotta get a car at some point, I gotta get a car at some point for myself. Because I was driving that old Cadillac. Do you remember that? – [Link] Yeah. – [Rhett] I drove that Cadillac that I had to buy the heater that you plugged into the A/C adapter. The cigarette lighter? – [Link] No, the cigarette lighter. It was a cigarette lighter heater. And it was down by your feet. – [Rhett] Sure it was, but it was really cold. – [Link] That is insane. – [Rhett] I drove a Cadillac DeVille, it was burgundy. – [Link] Four door. – [Rhett] And neither the heat, nor the A/C worked. So I got this thing that you plugged in. The cigarette lighter worked, and it blew like a really weak stream of hot air onto like one foot. – [Link] The gas foot. – [Rhett] The gas foot (laughter). And so, I needed a new car, and I started reading about new cars, and I was like, I want a big car. I always wanted a car with enough leg room. And I want a sedan. And I like the way the car drives. And I want a big trunk. You have those three requirements, the next thing you know, you’re looking at Crown Vics. – [Link] You Googled these things. – [Rhett] Also, you can find– – [Link] I want a car with leg room, head room, and room for my heater by my gas foot. – [Rhett] What I found is that, because these are government and police vehicles, that you can get them at auctions. So you can go to a police auction, and you can get a Crown Vic that still is black and white, just like an old cop car. But doesn’t have the lights on top anymore. – [Link] And that seems to me, to be a bad thing. – [Rhett] Now okay, yes. – [Link] Because you’re on the interstate, and everyone is slowing down in front of you. – [Rhett] Yeah, but it’s a little bit of a power trip. Because the guy slows down, and then he moves over, and then you go past him. And you’re like, I’m not a cop. I’m just a dude who bought a car at an auction. – [Link] Gotcha sucka. And then you’re telling me about the chain drops. – [Rhett] It has a chain timing belt, as opposed to a rubber timing belt which wears out over time. These things are just indestructible. That’s why cops have them. You can just go, you can chase people through rivers, you can go through creeks, you can spin out in the middle of the median, and they’re just indestructible cars with a lot of leg room, a big trunk, and a lot of horsepower. And so I really wanted one. And my wife thought it was ridiculous. Again, a lot of these things have been tempered by the people in my life, and that’s one of them. My life was like, “I don’t want you to get an old cop car. “What are you, crazy?” But you know, we did interview a guy, remember this guy we interviewed not to long ago. Some position, I can’t remember what it was. – [Link] We didn’t hire him, though. – [Rhett] We asked him what he drove, and he said, “I drive a gold Crown Victoria.” – [Link] It was like a former taxi. – [Rhett] And I was like, “What?” No, it was just a gold. – [Link] You almost hired him on the spot. – [Rhett] Yeah. – [Link] I could see it in your eyes. – [Rhett] And he said, I said, “Really?” And we talked about Crown Vics for a while. And then he was like, “You want me to drive by “the front of the office on the way out?” I was like, “Heck yeah, I want you to.” So when he drove out. I mean, we didn’t hire him. – [Link] But you got a thrill when he drove by. – [Rhett] I got so close with that Crown Vic. – [Link] Can we take a moment, and just think about what just happened? I’m glad that you owned it. What car did you get, when you didn’t get a Crown Vic? Side note. – [Rhett] Scion. – [Link] You got the Scion. Which now, I drive a Scion. So there you go. We got a follow up Scion to that one, because– – [Rhett] You know why I got it, because of the head room. – [Link] And the leg room. – [Rhett] Unbelievable head room and leg room in a Scion XP. – [Link] And you got it, you got it in an auction. – [Rhett] It was a total, yeah. – [Link] Next on the list, I don’t remember this one. Sailing. – [Rhett] Yes, still fascinated with sailing. – [Link] Like a boat. – [Rhett] Just last night, I was looking at a book that my wife bought for me a couple years ago, because she knows I’m fascinated with this. Sailing around the world. This is a book where a couple goes around the world, and they document, they’re photographers, and they document every location. They went around the entire world. It’s absolutely amazing. The reason I got into sailing, is because I did some research on what my name meant. McLaughlin, and McLaughlin means “Master Sailor.” And so, I was like, psh boy I gotta get into this. Because I gotta live up to my name, be a master sailor. And just the idea of a sailboat that could go anywhere, untethered, go around the world. Go meet new people and new places. I’ve always been fascinated with it. As far as I got on this one is I bought a few books. I read a book called, “Sailing Alone Around the World”, which is a great book. – [Link] Do you wanna do that? – [Rhett] No, I don’t wanna do that. I’m a little bit of an introvert, but I don’t want to sail alone around the world. You wanna go, we can document the whole thing. It’s gonna take a long time. – [Link] I mean, with the right sponsor, I might be willing to do it. – [Rhett] Red bull. (laughter) – [Link] What about sail boats? – [Rhett] Okay some sailboats, they probably won’t pay for it. – [Link] Sailboats.com. – [Rhett] But I’m fascinated with it. And as far as I got with that– – [Link] I would like to take a yacht around the world. How about that? – [Rhett] Well, that’s pollution, man. It takes gas, it cost money. The sailboat is beautiful because it is powered by the wind. And the furthest I got on that is I took a sailing class at Harris Lake. Remember that, remember that lake? – [Link] Well, I remember the class. And I think what you mean by class, is like a three hour introductory orientation. – [Rhett] Yeah, Intro to Sailing. – [Link] There was no, a class is something you go to and you leave, and then you come back to it on a scheduled basis. – [Rhett] Well, I took a class, one class. I went to class one time. They sailed me around. There wasn’t a lot of wind that day. But they let us go around. – [Link] Now I’ve got more on the list, but just as a side note, it occurs to me, this phenomena that we are exploring, tell me what you think about this. If you did not, if you’re brain didn’t work this way, if you’re personality wasn’t this way, I don’t believe that we would be doing Good Mythical Morning right now. Because I remember that the impetus for doing Good Morning Chia Lincoln was, let’s just come in and talk about stuff every morning. And let’s just see what happens. And it was just like, we were in between projects. And we had a couple of months. – [Rhett] It was an experiment. – [Link] We had a couple of months. And we, on the way into work every morning, you would always have something to talk about. Because well, for this reason. There was always something you were thinking about. And then it was like, why are we just having these conversations. – [Rhett] We should bring people into this. – [Link] Let’s bring people into this. And so I don’t even need to ask. I certainly believe that we wouldn’t be where we are if you’re brain didn’t work the way it did. Now, I’m gonna own some part of this too. I do think that, I mean it’s an interesting phenomenon, that that was the, it kind of gave us the blind confidence to say, every morning, we’re gonna literally show up, turn the camera on, and just talk about something. Because you always had something that, you always had three things. Oh, I’ll just pick one that I can talk about. And I’ve always got an opinion about it. So that gave me confidence to say, we’re just having the same conversation that we have rolling into work. We’re just gonna have it when we get to work. And we would actually be silent on the way into work. And save things for that conversation, and I’m glad that we did that. But my question is, are some of these things, you’re defensive, it seems defensive to me when you’re like, “Well, I only took one class, “and you know I haven’t sailed since then. “But I still have that book, “and I read the book last night.” But is there a part of you that, the validation is not really in completing things. Is there something about just being able to talk about things? Is there an ulterior, or at least a side motive, maybe that’s the same thing. If the main motive is you’re interested, and you just have wandering passions, but there’s a side thing that’s like, I just like to know things, and I want to be able to talk about things. I like to be the guy that knows just enough about a lot of things to talk to anybody about anything. Is that a motive? – [Rhett] I can honestly answer you, that it is not. – [Link] It’s not. – [Rhett] It is not. I’ll admit my faults, I have many. – [Link] Well, I don’t think that’s a fault. – [Rhett] No, what I’m saying, I’ll admit my faults, and I have many. But no I don’t, I don’t like seeming like a know-it-all. I know I come across that way, because I do have an opinion about a lot of things. – [Link] I don’t even know that that’s, I wasn’t saying, “Do you want to be a know it all?” I’m saying, do you like to engage people, and the be the guy who can– – [Rhett] I love to talk to people about a lot of different things, and I like to be able to contribute to different conversations about different disciplines, and different interests. But I really think, you know that thing we did earlier this year, we did a personality evaluation with Jason Jaggard. And my number one thing was futurist. Meaning my mind is always in the future. And I actually spend more of my time thinking about, anticipating things. I spend more of my time in the future than I do in the present. I actually have a very difficult time enjoying anything in the moment. And I think that the thing that you’ll notice about most of these things is that, they are somehow related to an experience that I kind of create in my mind. And I think, one of these days, I’m gonna fly in an ultralight, and that’s gonna be fun. One of these days, I’m gonna sail around the world, and that’s gonna be fun. – [Link] One of these days, I’m going to kill a crow, or pair the perfect wine with that crow. – [Rhett] They are experiences that I set up in my mind, and I think that I’m gonna experience some sort of satisfaction, and so I actually begin to anticipate the satisfaction. I anticipate the fulfillment of these things. And so then I learn about them. Because you need to know about these things in order to experience them in the right way. And then, what ends up happening, is that life happens, right? You end up being normal. I can’t be a guy that flies in an ultralight, and sails around the world, and has a Crown Vic, and crow hunts on a regular basis. And all these other things. Because, it’s just you can’t do that. There’s only so many things we can do between the work that we do, and family life. So a lot of these things are just passions, they’re just interests. And I’ll just read a book about sailing, and think, “Well, maybe when I retire I’ll actually do that.” So I honestly think it’s just, my disposition is future-oriented. So I’m interested in these things, not because I’m waiting to go to a party, and talk to somebody who’s a sailor and, “Oh, I know all about this. “Let me tell you about this. “Seychelles, I read about them, have you been there?” – [Link] I think that’s an interesting dynamic. I think it’s an insight into you, or maybe a misconception of you. That people would say, for someone who always has something to offer, or a detail to offer, you could say, “He’s being a know it all.” And maybe he’s not, and I’m not saying you are a know-it-all, I’m saying people could say, “He’s being a know it all”. But I think it’s interesting to find out, if that’s what honestly driving is just what you just said, it kind of, it dissolves that, at least a little bit. – [Rhett] Well, and I will say, and we’ve learned this, being friends for a really long time, and working together for a long time, is that you begin to see. People ask, “How have you guys been friends for so long? “Why do you guys keep doing this entertainment thing?” People come and go on YouTube, and you’re there right from the beginning, and you’re still relevant. There’s this search for relevance. One of the things that we’ve said many times. And Hank Green made this observation when we talked to him at VidCon. A lot of times when you look at people who have been doing something for a while on YouTube, it’s a partnership, right? And so there’s this dynamic that’s like, I’m gonna be interested in a lot of different things. You are going to have a sense of follow through. So when we decide to do something, it’s going to happen, it’s going to land, it’s going to be finished. And that’s not something that we could have ever anticipated, or planned. But I think that the reason that we have an idea that gets completed, versus just a bunch of ideas that never actually comes to fruition, is the partnership. And so, if you’re thinking about trying to do, I just don’t think that you can do it alone. – [Link] I mean, I certainly can’t imagine it. I’m gonna list out a couple of other things here, and we’ll pick the ones that you wanna talk about. But I will say, one last side note in this, is a by product of this phenomenon, is I think that people ask you things, like ask your opinion, because they assume that you’re gonna know something. Because you know about things that you know about. People end up asking you these things. And there’s a lot more of an opportunity for you to hone your ability to B.S. a great answer to things. – [Rhett] Oh yeah. – [Link] I observe that as a by-product of this whole thing. Or could that be the motive? I wanna know enough stuff, so I can B.S. my way through everything else. Of course, that’s a no. I’m just giving you a hard time. All right, here we go. One, two, three, four, five more things on my list. We’re not gonna talk about all five of these. I’m gonna read them, and I’d like for you to pick one, maybe one and a half. – [Rhett] How about I give you a sentence for each one? And we’ll dig into one. – [Link] Well if you wanna dig into one, and then pick one to close with, okay? In no particular order, I’ll read these out to you. And you can tell me which ones you’re intrigued to go back to. After sailing, I have Bar-B-Que. Hot yoga. – [Rhett] Oh, yeah. – [Link] Juicing. Paddle boarding. Four wheeling. – [Rhett] I’ll say a sentence about each one. – [Link] Okay, you just can’t choose. – [Rhett] And then we can close on the one, there’s two that me and you and experiencing together. – [Link] Okay, so Bar-B-Que. – [Rhett] Bar-B-Que. I’m really into Bar-B-Que. And you know from our song that Bar-B-Que is a noun, it is not a verb, it is not a grille. It is a meat prepared in a very special way. And I came out here to California, I found that they don’t know how to do Bar-B-Que. They think Bar-B-Que means a grille, it means hot dogs and hamburgers. – [Link] Or even a party. – [Rhett] And so I missed North Carolina-style Bar-B-Que. Pulled pork, slow smoked pork shoulder. And I figured out how to do it myself. And now it’s something I do on a semi-regular basis. I figured out, I went to the AmazingRibs.com. Crazy guy named Meathead. – [Link] Meathead. – [Rhett] Meathead Godwin, I think is his, Godwin is his last name. Meathead obviously a nickname. – [Link] Who happens to be in Chicago. Of course I know about this guy, because you’ve gotten so deep into this one, that– – [Rhett] I can’t just limit it to a sentence. I’m sorry. Anyway, I figured out how to do this, and it is a passion now. To recreate authentic North Carolina-style Bar-B-Que. – [Link] Using a charcoal grille. – [Rhett] I bought a thing called, again there’s a thing you can buy, I have a Weber grille, kettle grille. I bought a Smokenator 2000. – [Link] And a series of special meat thermometers. And a special magnet that goes on your refrigerator that tells you meat temperatures. Well, that’s just the receiver of, yeah. – [Link] I’m actually buying that. No, the meathead magnet. Okay, hot yoga. – [Rhett] A lot of times, there’s an experience that leads to me having an interest. And this was making Commercial Kings, we went to what was that, Sacramento, California? – [Link] Sacramento, we made a hot yoga commercial for Sandy, and what was his name? Well, I can’t remember. But it was a Rambo slash A-Team themed local commercial, with like a 78 year old man who was missing a finger. – [Rhett] And this is a form of yoga, called Bikram yoga. And there’s a dude that’s more than a little bit crazy, who came up with this thing. And there’s these like 26 different yoga moves that you do under extreme heat, like over 100 degrees. It’s an hour and a half class, I think. And we did it with this dude, and I was like, “This would be great for me.” – [Link] We did it for the comedy. But then you come back home, and you sign up for a class. – [Rhett] Oh, I went to the class. And I went to the class a number of times, and then we did move to the other side of town, and I never went back to the class. – [Link] You went to the class once, and then you vomited. – [Rhett] No, I went to the class like five or six times. – [Link] And vomited five or six times. – [Rhett] No, I didn’t vomit. I got very close to it. – [Link] Sounds fun, juicing. – [Rhett] But here’s how, and again I’m not being defensive, I’m just being, I’m just explaining things. I don’t do hot yoga anymore, but a number of those yoga moves that I did in that class, I retain those. I do them every single morning for the treatment of my herniated disc problem. – [Link] Which brings us back to chiropractic, and how smart crows are. Juicing. – [Rhett] Juicing, I watched a moving about juicing. One of those Netflix documentaries that makes you think that you can do something and change everything. So what I do– – [Link] Or you can do something, and change everything. That’s the definition of a documentary. – Rhett Right. I do this a lot, I watch a documentary. I watched this documentary, and the guy talks about how juicing could change your life. Which I no longer believe that, after having read about it a lot. – [Link] Oh, after having juiced. – [Rhett] It’s controversial. But I bought a juicer. I did something you would never do, which is, I watched the documentary. Not within 24 hours, within 24 minutes of the documentary going off Netflix, I went on Amazon and ordered the juicer. And my wife and I used it for a couple months, and now it’s just sitting up there above the sink. – [Link] And I would hate that juicer. If it was in my house. – [Rhett] You would hate it? – [Link] I would hate it. And I would hate myself if it was there. And that’s why I didn’t buy one. – [Rhett] Why would you hate it? – [Link] Because I would see it as a failure. – [Rhett] To me, it’s an opportunity. I could juice at any time. – [Link] Right, and maybe that’s my problem. – [Rhett] No, I haven’t juiced since. – [Link] Paddle boarding. Now, in the mythical show, half hour show we did last year. We wanted to explore some segments that were outside of the studio. You had decided to do paddle boarding, and you had mentioned it to me multiple times, but the way you got me on board, literally, was you finally, through Eric and our management team, got a paddle board company to hook us up with some paddle boards for free. And I’m like, “I’m in now, buddy.” – [Rhett] And we had tried the year before, remember that? – [Link] And it didn’t work, yeah. We couldn’t get any response. But SUPATX hooked us up with a couple of boards. We made a segment for the Mythical show. And that was all your doing. Because of some paddle boarding idea you had. – [Rhett] I saw a picture. – [Link] You saw a picture. – [Rhett] I saw a picture with a– – [Link] Like in a dentist office. – [Rhett] A dude in an incredible location on a paddle board. And I was like, well I gotta do that. (Link laughs) How do I do that? – [Link] And then, we’ve documented the process of us doing it, and it was nothing like that. – [Rhett] But we’ve gotten a lot better. – [Link] But I stuck with you, so I’ll take some credit for this. Because, it’s that dynamic. Once I was in, and once we both had the boards, and it was hanging in my garage. I was like, “I’m gonna use that board.” – [Rhett] You had the stuff. – [Link] I had the stuff. – [Rhett] So now, we’ve each got two boards now. – [Link] We should go in the morning, by the way. – [Rhett] We will. Once you have the stuff, and once you have the stuff, because of your sense of obligation. You read the book, and you think the author is waiting for you to finish the book. You’re gonna use that board, because you’re like, In fact, if you don’t use the board, you’re gonna delete the board, like a file, right? You’re gonna get rid of the board, like on Craigslist, or something. – [Link] I don’t wanna have that failure, or non-follow through, staring me in the face. – [Rhett] And that’s something I enjoy immensely now. And we both enjoy it. And we do it on a regular basis. – [Link] And four wheeling, the last one on the list. Our friend Nick, who I went mountain biking with a lot, when I used to mountain bike. Now that we got into four wheeling, it’s very difficult to do. Four wheeling is like mountain biking, but in a truck. And once you do that, it’s really difficult to go back to mountain biking. It’s like, I need two more wheels, and an air conditioning. – [Rhett] And like a couch to sit on, instead of a bike seat. – [Link] Right, and a steering wheel in front of me. It’s so great. So he took us to Death Valley. And when we came back, you didn’t tell me, it was like classic. Five days later, Rhett’s like, “Oh, for the past five days, “I’ve been doing extensive research “on what off-road vehicle we should buy.” So he had been researching it from the moment we got back from Death Valley. He knew not to present to me the data until he had found a place where we could get in one. Which is actually just down the street. And I kind of rolled my eyes, but I was like, “Okay, this is gonna happen.” But we needed another vehicle. That bronco was a failure, it was ridiculous. And now, it’s like, I’m thinking, “When are we gonna go camping again?” It’s opened up our whole world for like, sometimes me and my family take the FJ Cruiser, sometimes you and your family take it. Sometimes me and you and the boys take it. And sometimes, well, I guess that’s it. But you know, it’s opened up a world. – [Rhett] And it’s incredible. – [Link] I love it man. And I would never have bought a truck. That’s ridiculous. And it’s totally worth it. – [Rhett] And so, here’s my question for you. We’re gonna close this down in a second. Here’s my question for you. – [Link] I’ve eaten all my dark chocolate. – [Rhett] Obviously there’s mutual benefit to this, right? I bought the truck, well we bought the truck. – [Link] Right, we went in together, bought the truck. – [Rhett] Because I thought, if we get this truck, then the next thing you know, we’ll be like four wheel freaks. Now it’s this thing that, we can potentially. Is that a word, potentially? – [Link] I think so, yeah. In crow language. – [Rhett] Do it on a regular basis. If you were to subtract me from the equation, I do not believe, so you say that if you were to subtract me from the equation, you would just be sitting there. – [Link] I would be fat, dumb, and happy. – [Rhett] I just, I don’t think that’s true. Here’s why. I think that what happens is, that when you’re in a friendship with someone, as long as we’ve been in a friendship, you begin to rely on one another in a way that’s just like, certain aspects of our job– – [Link] I don’t develop strengths that the other guy has. – [Rhett] I see something, and I’m like, I’m not even gonna try to figure that out. I don’t wanna sit here, and toil over this edit, or this graphic, or this thumbnail, because I know that Link already has an opinion about it. And just let him do that. You know what I mean? I think that you end up developing. You kind of embrace the fact that like, that person is gonna handle this. So you kinda been like, I don’t have to seek new interests, because I have a friend who’s gonna bring me a buffet of new interests on a regular basis. But I think if I wasn’t in the situation, you would have developed your own interests. I don’t think there’s any doubt. – [Link] I hope so. I hope I’m not, but I have observed that there are people like that, so I know it’s possible. And I could be one of those people. And I don’t know. Does it matter? I mean, are you concerned about my level of self-esteem? Or do you think it goes further? – [Rhett] I don’t think it has anything to do with self-esteem. I think it just has to do with I just think it has to do with a disposition. – [Link] Like, do you think that, “You shouldn’t depend on me to bring everything “to the table. “You should come up with some. “You should explore your own things.” Is that it? – [Rhett] I don’t even think that. I don’t necessarily think that. I think that, I would have to focus more on follow through if you weren’t here, and you would have to focus more on finding something new to be interested in, if I wasn’t here. – [Link] Yeah, I certainly I don’t know, I think there’s ways for us still to grow, to where we can’t, we don’t have to be, we don’t atrophy in a certain area. Like I don’t atrophy. Because our entire lives don’t overlap. I mean, take being a father or a husband. There are things that are very much, those parts of our lives don’t overlap near as much as our work life, which dovetails to a lot of our hobbies, like paddle boarding, and camping, and things like that. That I certainly shouldn’t let a zest for life and willingness to engage potential passions atrophy, because that will happen. I want to be the type of father that does that, that inspires creativity and a sense of adventure in my children. So I think that is a good lesson for me. Okay, I got the benefit of someone, let’s say that’s you. Who can inspire me to be more of that in another circle, say with my family, type of thing. So maybe in the same way, the opposite for you. I don’t know what that may be, fill in the blank. But I think that’s one healthy application here. And I have another one here too, but go ahead. – [Rhett] I was gonna say, I observe this. Now that we’ve got kids. I observe this in my children, it is most evident in Locke, because he’s older, and Locke is just, he gets on something. And the funny thing is, I never realize this about myself until I got older and started thinking about it. – [Link] Right, you were telling me about today that he’s obsessed with exotic cars. – [Rhett] Right, and this was out of nowhere, and this had nothing to do with me. – [Link] Like, just watching exotic car footage on YouTube. – [Rhett] You know I like YouTube. I like Crown Victorias, and I like trucks that can go four wheeling. I’m not a big sports car guy, right? But I was as a kid, draw sports cars and had sports cars toys. – [Link] But that’s kind of besides the point. He found this on his own. – [Rhett] He found this on his own. And he’s super passionate about it. But thing I’ve observed is that, he will move onto the next thing. He was super into Pokemon. He was into Legos, he was into these things. He’s into Minecraft right now. – [Link] And I’ll tell you, I’ll cut you off. I know where you’re going. You’re saying, well as a parent, you need to foster some follow through. That everything is not a mile wide and an inch deep. It’s fascinating how, Lincoln is so much like me, and their interaction. The conversations they have are so much like the conversations that we have now. About, Locke’s like, “I’m into Lamborghini’s now. “Minecraft, ah not so much.” And Lincoln’s like, this morning at morning at breakfast, I was like, “Lincoln, what are you thinking about?” And at the same time, we were like, “Minecraft.” So like I totally knew, because that’s what he’s been thinking about for the past three months. And that’s what he’ll think about. – [Rhett] Locke has a certain capacity for a Minecraft, and then he’s gonna be like, “I’m kinda ready for something else.” – [Link] It’s interesting, the things that, even at our age, the things that we’re learning have a direct application to shaping the lives of other humans. Which are our children. And also each other in this conversation. I’ll say the second thing is just, I think I’m taking over this conversation, just an appreciation. That I do appreciate that, okay, you’re gonna bring something to the table. That’s gonna be fun. There’s something new. It’s like, I would hate to do the same type of job every day. I would hate to have the same type of thoughts every day. I would hate to have to come up with all those different thoughts, if I hated to have the same thoughts. So it’s nice to have someone else who is a catalyst for that type of thing. So, that’s exciting. And, I don’t mean to relate it all back to work. But we kind of know, when it comes to certain topics that we want to discuss on Good Mythical Morning, who’s gonna take those things and why. And I think that there’s certain fascinating elements of Good Mythical Morning that come through, because of things that you’re engaged in. I think we can sit here and have a conversation for the next hour about how, oh, isn’t this is so sweet? But we should probably wrap it up. – [Rhett] And I would say, in an effort to relate it to anybody who’s listening. I think part of this is that, if you’re an Ear Biscuits listener, I would hope that, I mean one of the things that we want to convey is that, all right. You know, we’re in our mid-thirties. We’re probably significantly older than most of the people who are listening to this podcast. Not that it’s for younger people, it’s for everybody. It’s just the way the internet works. And there’s a lot of things that we’ve kinda learned, being friends for this long. And I think one of those things is that there’s a combination that you have in friendships that last. There’s gonna be common interests, first of all. You’re interested in the same things, and you see the world enough the same way so that you kinda connect with one another. But then I think that, when you think about your friendships, appreciate the differences. Because the same differences you have with the people who are your friends, are gonna be the things that can be frustrations. The fact that we’re different from one another, and we see things a little bit differently about things, and you get so focused on something. And I might have to shake you loose and introduce you to a new thing. That can be frustrating to me, and my distraction and moving on to the next thing can be frustrating to you. But those things that can be a weakness in a friendship, ultimately can be a strength. So did you think about the friendships that you have, the people who you’re friends with, you think about the conflict. What are the sources of conflict in your friendship, or your relationships. A lot of times, those are gonna be opportunities for a stronger friendship. I think that something, it’s taken us a long time to learn that about one another. And kind of like, this is what he does. And this is what I do. And it’s different, and it’s good. – [Link] And still a little thoughty. So we can have a good time talking about– – [Rhett] Oh yeah. – [Link] And I’m glad we had this ear biscuit. I’m glad you were here for this. So people, you have your assignment. Go and do your research tonight. Ultralights, chiropractic, guns, crow hunting. Wine pairings, fossils, geology, Crown Victorias. – [Rhett] It’s a lot of good stuff. – [Link] Sailing, Bar-B-Que, hot yoga, juicing, paddle boarding, and four wheeling. And if you stick around for another another thirty minutes, I bet you something else will be added by someone here to the list. #EarBiscuits, let us know on the twitter and other places. Leave a comment on SoundCloud, and a review on iTunes. Still do that, it matters. See you next week. (fading Music) – [Rhett] To hear this Ear Biscuit in it’s entirety, and make sure you don’t miss an episode, follow the links in the description to subscribe on Apple Podcast, or anywhere else podcasts are available. – [Link] To watch more Ear Biscuits, click on the playlist on the right. – [Rhett] To watch more of our daily show, Good Mythical Morning, click the playlist on the left. – [Link] And don’t forget to click the circular icon to subscribe. – [Narrator] Thanks for being your mythical best.