[Music] Welcome to Earbiscuits, the podcast where two lifelong friends talk about life for a long time. I’m Rhett. >> I’m Link. This week at the round table of dim lighting, we That’s right. >> are going to talk about coping mechanisms. Do you need to cope with something? I bet you do. I bet you we do, too. And I hope that this episode just brightens all of our days and helps us cope with whatever >> or your night. If you need a bright night, >> we’re coping with, you know, >> if you need a bright night, >> how to get dope when you cope. >> Maybe that’s the title. Probably not. That was something that my mom used to say when she said if you want to figure out where somebody’s from in North Carolina, it was like ask them to say nightlight >> in North Carolina. >> Yeah. Well, it was like I think it was her litmus test to know like how big of a redneck somebody was. >> Nightlight. Nightlight. >> Nightlight. Nightlight. >> Nightlight. Nightlight. >> Do you or nightlight? Do you think that so you’re like halfway? >> Well, I’m 100% sure that you when you were a when you were >> in first grade, second grade, third grade, you would have said >> nightlight. >> Nightlight. >> I think I may have gotten there. >> My nightlight burned out. >> I think I may have gotten there. >> Oh, yeah. Based on the recording, >> because I think that one I think one of the things my mom >> Oh, yeah. There there’s that um the the old lie detector test that the social team has like you know they’re going back we’ve made so much content over the years. The social team goes back and they find all this stuff that we’ve done and they repost it. Thank you social team for doing that because we forgot >> we forget about it and I’m also like oh hell yeah we did that. Let’s get more views on it. But there was um >> right >> the lie detector test with our moms >> and that there’s a clip going around of my mom talking about like did you like the question was did you like Link when you first met him and she’s like yes but then she says something about your accent and then and she and she says no I don’t have an accent now people my mom is actually funny she has a sense of humor she knows that she has an accent especially to you people on the internet >> but uh she was making >> she did think at the time that the accent that she was bringing was much more sophisticated than what she was hearing come out of your mouth. Just to give you >> sophisticated >> and I think she we had been in North We had been in California and Cole and I were in that formative time where you’re like four or five years old, you’re going to school >> and all of a sudden my parents saw their two children beginning to talk like they were live they lived in Southern California. There is a >> You said stoked a lot. Yeah, there is a tape of me and Cole >> try waiting to watch Thriller. We were, you know, you would sit down, you would watch MTV and you would wait for the video that you were, you wanted to see, and we wanted to see Thriller. >> Okay. >> And I can’t remember what my brother says on this recording, but it is he sounds like a California kid, mom. You know, and so they really were like, “What are we what are we doing?” >> So stoked to see Thriller. >> What are we doing? And so when we went to North Carolina again, we immediately changed back to that. But then she started worrying that we were going to talk like we were from North Carolina and not from Georgia and say not light. But there’s people in Georgia who say nightlight. >> Of course. Right. >> Yes. >> If not that, then something else. >> Thank you for going with us on that little aside. What else are we talking about? What animals should replace humans? >> Yeah. >> And why? By the way, I heard some sort of Oh man, I don’t know. It was >> It was California talk on maybe Tik Tok or something. >> I wish I could remember what it was, but the but the guy used stoked as a noun. >> He Now he’s I’m I’m stoked. >> I found stoked. >> No, >> I found stoked in my wallet. This is This is going to be such a good stoke. >> Oh, I need some stoke. This is going to be a good stoke. >> Yeah, I like that. >> It’s a It’s a It’s an It’s a happening that will boost your adrenaline. I guess >> it totally makes sense and I like it. And also, it represents the fluid fluidity of the language of humans. >> I love it. >> Let’s have a a stoke day. >> Yeah. I get mad when people say, “You can’t just make up words.” What the hell do you think we’ve been doing all along? >> Yeah, that they’re all made up, right? >> We’ve been We’ve been making them up. You think they came down from God? Well, I guess some people do believe that. >> Let’s have a stoke. >> Yeah, I like that. >> Mhm. Let’s start using it. >> All right. Hey, this podcast episode is going to be a real stoke. Gota say real stoke. >> Yeah. And you can say, “Boy, that was a stoy.” You shouldn’t introduce two words at the same time. >> That That’s going to be where I take it. >> But you have to wait 12 months for that. >> Man, that was a stokkey. >> That’s 12 months into the to the process of rolling out slang. >> I dropped a stoky on you. >> Have we ever introduced slang into the uh to the human vernacular? >> I mean, there’s all the phrasiology. >> Phrasiology is one thing. >> That’s not >> But a new word. I mean, we made mythicality, but that’s just our fans. That’s not We We haven’t I don’t know. And that’s What does that say about us? We’ve been doing this. We’ve been talking our asses off on the internet. There’s so many words that we So, way more than I ever hoped, I would say, >> that have gone out on the internet. And have we ever even made slang happen? What are we doing here? >> I think you think we’ve ever done it. >> I think we’re we’re too old. We’ve always been too old. We’ve always seen ourselves as too old to make up slang. It’s kind of like that one time we tried to make a meme of ourselves and then we realized how cringey that was. >> What are you talking about? >> Back in the early social media, like when Jyn was first hired, she was like our third employee and she was doing social media and we were like, >> do you remember what it was? >> Yo, come on. Make it make us into a meme. Make it. And then people were like, “Guys, you can’t you can’t make it happen. It just has to happen.” We’re like, “Oh.” >> But here’s the thing. this many years later, you can make it happen. You can meme yourself. You can >> What? You mean like literally have a picture with text on it? >> Yeah, we do that all the time >> of us. >> Yeah, >> but somebody’s doing it. Yeah. Okay. Yes, but we couldn’t then. >> Yeah, you couldn’t in the early meme days. What a stoke it would be if we would come up with new sling. Well, we didn’t come We took a pause there. Didn’t come up with anything. >> Yeah, >> things are always changing at Mythical and new roles are popping up all the time. Sometimes we realize we needed someone yesterday. >> And when it comes to hiring, Indeed is all you need. Stop struggling to get your job post seen on other job sites. Indeed’s sponsored jobs help you stand out and hire fast. With sponsored jobs, your post jumps to the top of the page for your relevant candidates so you can reach the people you want faster. >> And it makes a huge difference. According to Indeed data, sponsored jobs posted directly on Indeed have 45% more applications than non-sponsored jobs. >> It’s no shock that we get a lot of applications when we’re hiring and reading through all of them can take a while. 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Um, we broke up and we have been able to maintain a very close, completely platonic friendship ever since. >> Um, as a matter of fact, we’re roommates now. >> Um, like I said, completely platonic, very close friends. Um, but none of my other friends or family can seem to understand how we were able to maintain a friendship after breaking up. So, I guess my question is, how do you think people can maintain a friendship after breaking up? Or have you ever maintained a friendship after breaking up with somebody? >> All right. Love all you do. Thanks. >> We’re so old. We broke the last breakup we had was we were little babies. Okay. I mean, it doesn’t even apply. >> But we always felt like you couldn’t really be friends with somebody. But of course, maybe I did that in high school. >> Oh, I I I dated. We both We had our friend group. It was small, so you kind of dated around and then you were friends afterward. That was >> middle school and high school. >> Both. >> But sounds like you’re older than that. And it just seems like go like that. I keep seeing something on your mustache. Oh, you got it. >> It was just my my little my coffee. >> I didn’t know. I wasn’t I didn’t know that it was food. So, the fact that you just ate it. >> It’s not It’s drink a risk. >> It’s drink. It’s not food. >> Well, it looked all drink food. >> It looks solid. >> Well, it would eventually it would have been It’s got milk in it. It would have turned into a milk solid. >> You got it. A milk solid. But I mean, it could have just been a dust bunny. Dude, >> what the hell do you think I’m doing sweeping the ground with my face? I don’t have dust bunnies on my beard. I got food bunnies. >> Sometimes when you get out of your truck, I’ll say it’s truck. >> It is. >> You know, we park next to each other. Sometimes I see when you get out, you lean forward and your um your mustache grazes your dashboard. >> That’s never happened >> cuz you’re so tall. >> That’s never happened. >> So, you’ll get you’ll get accumulated dust bunnies up there. >> I mean, if you need me to sweep something with my mustache, I’m not opposed to it, but I’m just saying it doesn’t happen on a regular basis. >> I’ve seen it. I’ve seen him do I sweep a shirt, my shirt, my shirt gets sweeped when I put it on sometimes. So, there’s a chance that there’s something in my shirt. >> What do you mean by that? >> Put the shirt on, pull it down. Parts of the shirt get sweeped by my facial hair. >> Oh, >> you know, >> I’ve noticed. >> I mean, sometime you all have a more of a brillow pad thing going >> sometimes. You’ll you’ll change >> you’ll change in between um >> Yeah. >> one of our days where we’re shooting multiple episodes of one of these properties that we make. >> Yeah. >> And uh you’ll get some lint on your >> internal shirt >> on your on your brillow pad and it’s actually really easy to spot on yours because it’s short. Mine sometimes happens and then it gets lodged >> brillow pad. Um, >> and when I’m when I use I’ve been using um toilet paper up my nose to like >> Good. >> Thank you. >> And then I’ll an hour later I’ll look. You’re learning. >> They’ll be all tight. Screw you, man. >> It’s like It’s like you’re a new person. >> It’s like you’re learning all the basics of life. Well, I figured out you can put the toilet paper >> I didn’t say it like I was proud of it. Like >> I figured out you can put the toilet paper in your nose. You don’t just have to put it on your butt. It’s like Yes, alien. >> I would like to do it right now cuz I feel like I have a little um but I’m not going to. Um but then especially the toilet paper more than like a Kleenex will get caught on the stash. >> Yeah. spot and that doesn’t look good at all because it looks like excellent. >> This is why a handkerchief comes into comes into handy >> or bandana hanky. >> Here’s the thing I don’t understand about the platonic relationship and this may say some this may be something about me. Okay. Uh well, first of all, I do think that now that I’m an adult man and a middle-aged man, >> I think that young men tend to have this view that you can’t be friends and I and I I remember being this way as a young man. You can’t be friends with a woman that’s not your girlfriend. Like, you can’t just be friends with them. >> And I think that it came from the environment that we were in in which we were kind of taught that like >> there was some separation. >> There was this like don’t get on an elev like literally don’t because Billy Graham said he never gets on an elevator alone with a woman. You also shouldn’t. Like that was the world that we come from. like that kind of thing versus instead of it being a weird thing for a man to say, it was a noble thing for a man to say. And we’re like, how about >> be the kind of person who can be on an elevator with a woman and nothing will happen? That seems like a higher calling, you know, like never have a woman alone in your office. >> How about be a man who can have a woman alone in his office and not do anything with her? That also seems like a higher calling anyway. >> Right. It it it it kind of implies an objectification. just know >> a bit. You think? >> Yeah. >> But here’s what I will say. When it comes to being a roommate with somebody, >> only roommates I’ve ever had have been men that I did not want to have sex with. And uh just because I don’t want to have sex with men. Just let me be honest. I mean, be honest. Let me just be clear about that. And a woman who’s my wife who I do have sex with. >> Yes. Um, I think the first thing I think when I think of a platonic female roommate that I once was in a romantic relationship with and ostensibly was attracted to at some point and probably can be attracted to at another time. >> She’s your mom. >> I just think and especially like not my mom. I just think that especially in the pandemic days, you’re sitting there, it’s late at night, you’re depressed, you’re horny, and you’re both in this apartment together. I just think if the person was willing, we’d end up dealing. I just think >> friends and with benefits. >> I think I it would be difficult for me. I’m just going to be honest about myself. It would be difficult for that not to be a friends with benefit situation. I’ve never been in the situation. I’ve never been on an elevator alone with a woman. >> I’ve never had a woman in my office alone because of, you know, Yes, I have. But, um, I’m talking about somebody that you literally dated and you already had sex with. >> You know what? I had a friends with benefits thing for a little bit. >> Tell me more about that. Um, in that circle of friends, there was the one there was one friend that I started dating. >> Okay. >> And then we broke up. >> And you still messed around. >> No. And then I didn’t want to get back with her. And then our mutual friends in the group proposed this friends with benefits thing. >> Oh. >> Do you remember? You don’t remember this? My memory is not great. >> Now, the benefit was >> I’m sure I was on the council, but >> the this was the type of thing that No, you were you were you were on the outskirts of this conversation. Like benefits like this is not this is not youth group oriented. This is not church. >> By that point, I was pretty straightened up. But I’m actually when I think there there there must have been this window of time when I was like >> I don’t I was just frustrated. But the benefits weren’t sex cuz I wasn’t I wasn’t going to have sex. >> We didn’t do that. We didn’t cross the line. Nothing below the belt unless >> Yeah. Yep. There wasn’t it it there were bene it was above the belt benefits. >> Right. That was the rule that we had given the youth group. It it was kind of like the gray area that in our like accountability conversations that >> it was in the days of Joshua Harris’s I kiss dating goodbye and we were like well we’re not going to kiss dating goodbye and we’re not going to kiss boobies goodbye but we’ll >> right >> you know >> we won’t >> we won’t kiss >> anything else >> anything else >> we won’t kiss belts >> we won’t >> um so >> I kiss belts goodbye >> there was you have done that never wear belts >> I’ve kissed belt Goodbye. >> I can’t. I have to wear a belt. >> I’m actually thinking about We’re going all over the place. >> This is like inception. I’m sorry, >> but I am thinking about kissing belt hello again. >> Oh, yeah. It creates a nice separation >> from a fashion standpoint. I feel like I’m I need it. Which is why I have that rope that I’ve been using as a belt. And that’s my gateway belt. >> You’re making a fashion statement with a rope. >> You haven’t noticed. I have, but it hasn’t really registered. >> Well, that hurts. >> Okay. >> No. Noted. I I bought a pair of pants. Um I like to buy pants from people on Instagram. >> Used. >> Yeah. >> Other people’s pants. >> Oh, yeah. Vintage pants is what they’re called. Not other people’s pants. OP. I’m I buy vintage pants. >> Well, you made it sound weird. Okay, you could have said vintage pants, but you said I like to buy people’s pants on Instagram. That made it seem like you see pants that someone is wearing and you DM them. I want your pants. >> I would like to buy your pants. >> I I’m on the verge of being like, “Where’d you get your pants?” But I’m not going to be on this power trip of like, >> “Hey yo, give me your pants.” It’s like the school bully. Give me your Air Jordans in the bathroom. So, I bought pants from uh Instagram. I’m hesitant to give a shout out because you’re going to go to this this guy’s store. >> I’m not going to go. >> And guarantee. >> Good God, look at the price of these pants. >> Okay. >> And uh yeah, I understand. I understand. But sometimes I’m I just can’t resist. >> All right. >> And it’s a weakness of mine and it’s it’s a problem. I spend way too much money on clothes that are falling way too much apart. >> Matter of fact, the jacket that is quite the focus of this the newest episode Oh, no. Episode two of Wonder has been out for a couple weeks as of the recording of my >> as of the release. >> Close your ears, kids. My [ ] jacket, as we called it. >> Uhhuh. I got from uh Oddfellow. >> Yeah, he was an odd fellow. >> And you do not >> He came all over the >> That’s the name of the Instagram of the vintage store. >> Got it. >> Uh yeah, like I met him at Pwick and then um I buy stuff from him. >> Pwick. That’s cool. I’ve been there. I I found I found something there. I’ve actually found things that fit me. I I get depressed going to Pwick, but I found something that pic that >> it’s all vintage clothing. >> So that’s where I met uh Prince from Oddfellow. >> Prince, >> that’s his name. >> Okay. >> And >> you could resell that jacket now. >> I bought >> It’s a famous artifact. >> I bought the [ ] jacket and um I also bought some pants. And when I did, he he he styles the pants with a rope belt. So when he shipped me the pants, he shipped me a rope belt. And I’m like, “Okay.” >> Oh, so you didn’t It wasn’t purchase. It wasn’t an active purchase. >> It wasn’t an active purchase. And so now I realize that the belt, the albeit just a rope, really breaks up the midsection. It’s nice. It gives you a little accuch. And if I don’t watch out, I might start wearing necklaces. >> Okay. >> Nope. I’m not asking for your opinion. >> Okay. Uh, where were we going with this though? >> Hold on. We can we can in the inception back out of this. >> Friends friends with benefits. >> I was talking about wearing a belt because >> nothing below the belt. >> Nothing below the belt >> because it was a proposition that like listen she wants to get back together and I’m like I don’t want to get back together. It’s like what about friends with above the belt benefits? And I’m like, I’m sure I didn’t talk to you about this because I remember going to a a party. >> Was this junior year though? >> This might have been junior year >> because junior year I was in a above the belt relationship. >> Oh, you were? >> Even though we >> Maybe that’s what I was frustrated. You were getting above the belt action and I wasn’t getting any. We were in a Christian band, but we were like, “Listen, God. >> I mean, all everyone else that everyone else that we know is drinking a whole lot. They’re getting more. They’re getting all the benefits of marriage, >> you know, below the belt, inside the belt line. >> What we thought were the benefits of >> um >> the physical, >> they were getting the >> the physical.” I’m saying that’s what and uh and so we were like, “God, listen, cut us some slack. We’re singing about you and we’re bringing people to you. Let us play with the boobies a little bit.” >> That was how we justified that. So, I don’t think I would have >> Yeah. Okay. >> I don’t believe I would have Yeah. Right. >> It was in the holy water. >> I would not have judged you for that because I was experiencing my own >> You said water, so I was going to say motorboat, but I went to um so >> I don’t think I’ve ever actually done that. >> There was like there was an arrangement when it was even though we we were friends and we had dated this was an arrangement made between our our mutual friends in the group that there would be friends with above the belt benefits. >> Why did you subject yourself to the friendship council? >> I don’t because they arranged it. It was that’s how it was brought to me. >> But you’re a person. >> Exactly. I don’t >> With rights. >> Why didn’t I talk? You mean why didn’t I just talk to her and come up with the arrangement? >> Yes. >> It was because I was so timid about all this [ ] >> Yeah, that’s true. >> So, and yeah, I’m a freaking junior in high school. And so, I’m like, yes, I’ll I’ll I’ll go for this. >> Okay. So, then what? I actually think it might have been below the friends with benefits dot dot dot because I remember I started getting whenever um our friend I I’m only going to use initiatives the >> initiatives. Yes, this is the friendship initiative >> initials. I’m only going to use uh crap I can’t remember his last name. >> His first his name started with a J. >> Okay. Okay. Well, there’s >> And he was >> JK. >> No, >> JS. There’s two of those in that group. >> He was He was for manager. >> JK. >> No, the other one. >> J. Hold on. >> B. I can’t remember his last name. >> No. No. S. No. Um. >> G. Golfer. >> Yeah. Um. Oh, god. >> It doesn’t matter. >> Oh, it does. No. No, this I have to >> because >> he came to me. He’s a He was He’s a chef. >> Yes. He We’re like whispering. You either heard it or you didn’t. Yeah. You whispered it right out. He’s a chef. >> Yes. He I I remember >> he had good advice. >> He caught wind. Well, he was experienced. He caught wind of this agreement that I had through mutual friends for friends with benefits with my ex-girlfriend who’s now just a friend. I was willing to give it a shot. He caught when he comes up to me and he starts giving me very specific tips for below the belt friends with benefits cuz he knew I needed it. >> But these are just below >> I just exuded >> these are below the belt tips >> that I wasn’t for anyone. I wasn’t No, he gave them to me. But yeah, for Yes, >> for anyone. It’s not specifically in the context of friends with benefits. >> No, it was >> below the belt tips. This is what and this is what he said. Do you want to know his specific advice? I know you do. >> Yeah. >> And I I really never made sense of it. So maybe you can help me make sense of it. >> Yeah, I probably will. >> Are we I mean why is this turning into September? >> Oh, this is maybe a little preview that we are going to do Sextember again, right? >> Yeah. >> In a couple weeks. >> And it is September. So >> it already is September. Yeah. Yeah. >> Oh crap. We’re giving you a preview at the So the last episode of this month. >> This is getting pretty sexy. It is sexy. So, I remember he said, “What the hell is his last name?” >> Doesn’t matter. It starts with a Y. >> Get it, Dan. >> Oh, yeah. You got it. >> We got it. What a relief. >> Do you know what it is or you just remember it starts with a Y? >> I remember it. >> Okay. Yeah. Um, Me, too. >> He said, “Man, use your teeth.” >> Okay. All right. I thought I was G. >> Could you have guessed that’s what he was going to say? >> Uh, no. >> Right. What? I know. I >> Yeah, I think actually the rule is don’t use your teeth. >> He said use your teeth. >> What? >> You don’t tell somebody to use you don’t I’m not >> teeth is advanced techniques. >> Really >> teeth is he used everything else and you he >> if you’re born out of your mind. >> The thing is is he know who he was talking to. >> He didn’t know he was talking to the man who chews everything 30 times. >> You can’t tell link meal to use his teeth. >> I know. And then >> good god. >> Thank God that like I I was like well I’m not going below the belt. I didn’t even tell him that. I was like yeah yeah okay thanks. And then I’m going I’m like for the rest of my life up until today I’m >> you’ve been using your teeth. It’s been echoing my brain. It’s like use your teeth. I think he was like I’m gonna with this >> I’m going to tell Link to use his teeth so I can hear stories about it. So, I went to a party at another Jay and Jay’s house, and I remember this was the >> Oh, the J the Jay and the J. >> Uh-huh. >> Yeah. >> And they had a basement. >> Why do we have so many Jay’s in that group? We had four Jay’s. >> They had a basement. >> And even the other guy wasn’t a J had a J as the last name. >> I’m telling a good story and you’re going down an initial tangent, which sucks. >> No, that was the final tangent. I don’t remember that I talked directly to my friend that now offered above the belt to me benefits about this. It was just that she heard that I was for it. >> She had a J in her name. >> Yep. >> And we were in the basement >> of the party. Y >> and I’m I’m I’m going I’m at the party. I don’t even I don’t know. I don’t I don’t know if you were at this party, but I remember the whole time it was just like, well, when how do I get benefits? How do I get the benefit? >> And fill out an application. >> Like, what what do I do? We haven’t even talked about this. I was so freaking awkward. And then I’m like, um the party keeps going and the tension keeps building and we’re just hanging out and all of us are hanging out. Um, and then I remember I don’t know exactly how it happened, but I think it was like you want to go back to my truck. That was my idea. >> You said this. >> Yes. >> Well, that was a good That was a good idea. >> Yeah. A little privacy. You want to come to my truck? >> Think for the benefits? >> You didn’t have to say that. >> I didn’t say it. Probably. Probably. Well, I probably did. >> Did you use your teeth? >> I was talking with my teeth. I was like, I don’t know exactly where and how to use my teeth, so I’m going to use them at all time. You want to come back to my truck? >> Talk with your teeth >> for some benefits. You want a little benefit in my truck? >> The funny thing is is you’re not really using your teeth anymore than normal right now. >> I’m showing I’m showing my teeth and what I’m talking about. >> You’re really using your lips. >> If you’re using your teeth, you’d be the teeth would be tapping. you want to go. >> They need to be tapping when you talk. Tap your teeth when you talk. >> Yeah, that’s it. >> Um, so we went on my truck >> and and >> and it’s a small truck. >> Yeah, it is. I got into it last year >> before >> before it destroyed it. >> Before you talked me into crushing it. Um, so we get in the truck and the the um the interior light was on. >> Door’s still a jar. >> The door was a jar or something. >> And I don’t know why, but I never turn the interior light off. >> Well, you got to see what you’re doing. Hey That made it more awkward. Like it would have been better in the dark. >> Usually is >> for both parties, you know. And I remember it’s like here’s the first time I’m getting friends with benefits and it’s it’s dark daylight in the middle of I mean it is at night but it’s just like poof inside of the truck. >> And also people can see you. That’s really the thing. >> I mean we were we were laying down as much as we could. >> You can’t fully lay down in that. >> You couldn’t fully lay down. >> No. No. your knees were up >> and I got some benefits, but and I can tell you more about that later, >> okay? >> Privately, I remember some details that uh I’m not going to talk about publicly. >> That’s good because we’ve we’ve I feel like we’ve said enough. >> I feel like with all the initials that have been thrown out, somebody can like throw them into AI and figure out who we’re talking about. >> And then well, don’t invite it. And then what we’re what what I ended up doing was never ever exp I think it was the guilt. I’m sure it was the the guilt. I never went again. >> I never went for benefits again. >> Interesting. >> Um but I did use my teeth a little bit. >> Yeah. Just but above the belt. >> Above the belt. >> Yeah. Which which by the way I do recommend that. >> That could work. >> Yeah, >> that could work. >> I do recommend that. Um >> uh Yeah. So, there it is. I I forgot that I ever did that and I didn’t mean to ever talk about it publicly, but here we go. >> Well, I’m glad you did. I never really had uh a similar situation, so uh I think we should move to the next question because we really took that one for a ride. >> Okay. >> Hi guys. Um my name is Caitlyn. I’m from Virginia and I want to go into psychology. I’m I’m a psychology major right now and we’re learning about coping mechanisms. Like I just finished up my last semester and we mainly focused on coping mechanisms in one of my classes. And I’m really curious what you guys’s coping mechanisms are. Um for me it’s like journaling, yoga, and like tapping. It’s called EFT tapping. I don’t know, Brett. I feel like you would kind of be into this maybe. But yeah, it’s really interesting. You just like tap different points for different like types of relief, I guess. I don’t know. I tap my forehead a lot. That’s what my professor taught me. I don’t know. But curious to hear what you guys have to say. Love you guys so much. Bye. >> Big love to VA. You tap your forehead too much in the same place, you’re going to get zits there. That’s the >> also it’s a form of torture >> deal done with water. >> Yeah. Which seems counterproductive to coping if it’s torture. Interesting. Are you interested? Are is your Are you pee? >> Uh well, I’m I’m always peeked, man. I’m always pee. >> I’m in a constant state of peakedness. Um I have not heard of this. Um, but it does it interests me. This is why it interests me. Tapping because it is a physical thing that isn’t necessarily uh a directly a direct emotional thing because actually I heard somebody talking about this recently. I don’t know, some doctor, one of the tick tock tick tockers. >> Okay, >> tick tick tockers. There’s got to be something about that. Um, and he was basically talking about breathing techniques which have been very beneficial to me in the past few years. Like that’s something my therapist kind of encouraged me to do. Um, and it could be something as simple as there’s different techniques. There’s like there’s box breathing and then there’s the like breathing in for 4 seconds, holding for 7 seconds and exhaling for 9 seconds or there’s these different, you know, it’s all kind of the same thing. But what ends up happening when you do that, when you do a when you have a >> physiological tool that isn’t like, oh, okay, I’m having an I’m having health anxiety or I’m having travel anxiety or I’m just having anxiety in general or I’ve woken up in the middle of the night worried about something, which happens to me sometimes if I’m like really stressed out. Um, instead of being like, I’m going to work this out right now. Like, let me let me let me try to work this out mentally and talk myself down from wherever I’m at. >> Yeah. bypassing the thought process, which is usually something that your brain is like firing off something that you’re not really going to think your way out of it, but to to use the physiological intervention of breathing and it all of a sudden bypasses whatever was happening in your brain. >> I heard somebody talking about that and I was like, “Oh, this is definitely true in my life. This has become a really useful tool for me to just stop and breathe.” So maybe >> for me too >> maybe the tapping is a I’m also like I’m also never been into fidget spinners. Not that they’re the same thing, but that’s never been >> It seems like they’re in the same woods. >> Um I like the idea of it, but you’re right about the zits. I have to wear gloves, I guess. >> Put a put a glove on. Start tapping. >> What you Well, I’m going to tap myself. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Um >> above the belt. So yeah, I’m tapping all above the belt only. Would you like some tap? Would you like some tips? Um, but >> tapping on the forehead. I mean, I’m I’m going to do it right now as you’re talking. >> Does it feel good? >> I think so. >> I’m getting anxious about >> You look worried. >> Yeah, I look very worried. this. >> Yeah. It’s not >> If I saw somebody doing that, I’d be like, “Are you okay? You look like you’re really thinking about something, >> right?” It’s not It distressing. >> Yeah. You need to go into a corner if you’re going to do You need to turn off your your dome light if you’re going to do this. You know, >> the make sure the doors aren’t a jar if you’re going to start tapping yourself in your own car. >> The temple might be better. The thing that I have started doing is not tapping. You do a lot of pressing, >> but pressing. Have you noticed this? >> Yes. Well, well, you talked about it because you had I talked about it. >> You had the you did you started pressing really hard and you did something to yourself or masseuse did. You talked about this on this show, I believe. >> Yes. >> But so there’s been a lot of pressing. >> I have I have continued to press on my face and and I can now pinpoint all these places of tension around. >> Pressing is a cousin to tapping. Pressing is a long tap. >> Tapping is a short press. >> Yes. Yes, you’re right. We >> It’s a It’s a spectrum, >> right? Uh so I’m doing long taps. >> Yeah. >> Long deep tapping is what I’m doing. >> Yeah. >> Long deep localized tapping. And that is a form of um that’s a that’s a coping mechanism for me when I carry tension because I carry tension in my head and in my face and in my neck >> my jaw. I mean the neck >> above the neck which is even more conservative >> right? Yeah. >> You have the most conservative tension carrying possible. nothing below the neck >> like the bottom of the just like cranial subcranial >> and there’s obviously uh >> all this type of stuff >> tension that’s that’s being stored in there >> but the tapping I just wonder what’s going on there because I don’t think it’s providing physical >> it might be I mean there’s something with the pressure points in the acupuncture like I don’t know how that works >> like nerve engagement >> something yeah you got to find the points you got to find the right points. Remember that time we were we were riding around with Ben Ben Greenwood and uh I had a headache. He was like, “Take your hand and press right here.” Like Ben was doing pressure points in 1987. >> Right. Of course he was. >> You know, >> right? >> Uh so I still do that from time to time if I have a headache. I don’t know if it works. The thing I am maybe more interested in in what she said was whatever journaling yoga is. Uh I think that was those are two things in a list. >> Yeah. So um no, but speaking of journaling, >> you can you can write and stretch at the same time >> or there’s goat yoga. So >> right, >> uh journaling, >> as you know, maybe to an annoying degree at this point because I’ve been talking with you a lot about it. >> It Yeah, it is. I wouldn’t say I’m annoyed yet, but I’m saying that um I’m it’s mounting. >> Yeah. And I actually have uh uh like I don’t want to I’m not going to get into talking about I will at some point in some place if I haven’t already talk once I kind of finally get to like whatever my like >> you’re not ready to talk about >> where it settles >> your pins publicly yet. >> I’ve talked about pens on uh on a good mythical moore. I don’t know when that’s coming out, >> but like I’m into pens and notetaking and notebooks and all that, right? But what I have found as it relates to anxiety and actually this is really interesting because um I I this I am coming off of this very fresh actually today. >> This is something that you will be able to relate to uh because you know me and you face challenges together. Not I mean we do face interpersonal challenges that we work through. I’m not talking about I’m talking about something that me and you are facing together right now. A challenge that we are facing together. >> That is something that we’re talking about. >> Yeah. >> And um don’t worry everything’s going to be fine. We’re always facing something. But sometimes the intensity of the thing that we are facing ramps up to a place where it begins to affect my sleep. And three nights ago, I woke up at like 1:30 a.m. wide awake and it was all I could think about. And I started trying to work it out in my mind. >> Mh. >> And I was like, “Shit, I’m not going to be able to go back to sleep.” And so I just picked up my book on my, you know, my e-reader and just started reading. And then eventually I got tired again and went back to sleep. Um so in that sense reading >> good that you didn’t get on your phone that reading no yeah reading was a helpful coping mechanism reading fiction getting into like the fantasy book that I’m reading and then two nights ago I woke up 3:30 so made it a little bit longer but I woke up and immediately started thinking about it again and it and instead of reading my book because I was like maybe like it’s 3:30 I’m going to just I’m going to be up in like two and a half hours. Like maybe I’ll just think about this for a little bit. Like I let myself think about it. >> Not a great idea. >> I did eventually go back to sleep, but both of those nights I got a very, very poor sleep score >> from the three different places that I get it. My ring, my bed, and my watch all told me that I was a sucker. >> Your bed. Okay. >> So, um, but then last night, >> hold on. You said you eventually fell back to sleep while trying to problem solve. >> Yeah. And so it didn’t work. Then last evening, yesterday evening, I as I told you I was going to do, I took some time to write about the challenge and processed a bunch of it. Like I literally I told Jesse I I I I was like listen I am gonna get I’m gonna get something to eat and I’m going to the creative house and I’m just gonna I’m gonna be there tonight. >> Oh, you went over there? >> Yeah, cuz I needed no distractions. >> Okay. >> And I was there from like 7 until 10:00. >> Like thinking through this, working through it, right? But mostly writing and >> typing. >> Typing. >> Yes. >> So the reason I was typing is because this is something that I’m sharing with you because this is something we’re going through together. >> Whereas if I’m like if it’s for me I’m like also it was much more extensive, >> right? There was so much to get out >> and it’s just like writing it, typing it is uh I will turn to the keyboard when it’s like boy this would have been this would have been pages and pages and pages of writing and my hand would have probably cramped up and I got home and I was like I feel well first of all I shared it with you right before I went to bed. >> Yeah, I was already asleep which is my coping mechanism. And I >> and I don’t wake up, thank God. I’m sorry to rub it in, but like the the more stressed I am, I there have been a couple of exceptions in the past two months, I think, but by and large, I just switch off, hibernate. But go ahead. >> I um You felt relief >> and I slept all the way through the night. Oh, >> so one of the and so and I’ve heard many people say this there there’s all there’s different conventions like once you get into notetaking and journaling YouTube which is a whole world that I invite you to go into those rabbit holes because they are great and there are people who are very helpful but there are things like uh basically just right before you go to bed writing what you’re feeling like in and like writing the which is if you’re like me what you’re feeling when you get ready to go to bed is like you’re kind you’re worrying about things. You know what I’m saying? Like you’re anxious. Oh, well, let me pull out the here are the files that I can pull out right now about things that I’m worried about. >> Mhm. >> Um and you pull them out and they they will present themselves. You usually don’t have to pull them out and be like, “Oh, I’m actually okay. I’m worried about that and this is how I’m feeling about that. I’m just going to write that.” And like the act of processing that in written form and having to actually acknowledge it, put it out of take it out of your mind, put it onto paper or keyboard or whatever and also put the way you’re feeling about it. I think that is an incredible coping mechanism. I can’t imagine that not working for everybody is I’ll just put that out there. I just think that that and I’m not saying you can make it a practice every night whatever you do you but I think if there’s something that you are dealing with and and this person I can’t remember your name but you journaling you you mentioned journaling and I think that that’s a I think it’s a great one and it’s been very helpful to me and I didn’t start doing it until the last couple years really and one of the things that happens when you write stuff down is first of all you can go back and you can see the process. You can see how you were feeling and how you worked through things and that’s very helpful years later. You can do that. But the other thing you can do is there’s something about organizing your thoughts about something that you are worried about that helps me stop ruminating on it. >> Mhm. Yeah. cuz you I mean rumination is like a churning of thoughts where you find yourself circling back to the same thing. It’s it it’s this feeling of trying to get somewhere in the woods and then you realize that hold on I’ve been here before twice, three times. I’m going in circles. >> It’s the mental experience of that. Um, and you know, sometimes you can think about things and it’s why you I I think it’s why I ruminate is that you know, you think things through and you come up with stuff and you make progress. But a lot of when it doesn’t work, it’s very counterproductive and it’s exhausting and it’s a telltale sign for me that I’m really not in a good place when I’m seeing that tree thought for the third, fourth, fifth time, or if I decide that I’m not going to try to get out of this w these woods. I’m just going to I’m going to teleport to another experience. I’m going to engage in something else. Now I’m going to sit over here and I’m going to eat breakfast or whatever, >> but it’s still there. >> And then I then the moment I’m doing that, it’s like realizing that I’ve slept walk back to the tree and it’s like, well, now it’s the seventh time I’m at the tree, you know? It’s it’s just you’re compelled and you and it’s a cycle that you >> and even even if you even if you think you figured it out in your mind, >> if you keep going over it to like I don’t want to forget this, >> you you forget it. Like I I find this is the the crazy thing that has been so transformative about note-taking in general for me. Again, I’m trying not to talk about it. I’m just trying to do it. But it’s it’s been so helpful for me. I want to share it. Is that >> my mind is so all over the damn place and so active and so like again, it’s just any idle moment. My tendency is to pull out the thing that I could work on. And it can be any number of things. And sometimes it’s good stuff and a lot of times it’s like anxiety related things. >> Mhm. >> But when you pull the file out and you think about it and you put it back in that you you like you haven’t done anything most of the time when I I’m like, “No, I’m going to write this down.” And then I’ll be I’ll go back because I have this little pocket notebook. I’ll go back in the in the following days and be like, “Oh, yeah. You just thought about this. You came to this conclusion. Now, when you go back to that tree, you you know what you’re doing. You’re chopping that tree down or you’re climbing that tree or whatever. You you have a you actually have a strategy that is being implemented as it relates to that thing. >> It’s like, oh, you have a doctor’s appointment about that. >> And every time you go back to the notebook, you know, oh, I have a doctor’s appointment about that. >> I don’t have to do anything else about that right now. >> And so, but when you don’t, you know what I’m saying? like a lot of it helps you take action and actually move things forward. So it’s just been >> it’s way more effective than just thinking about it. as we have talked about this, it’s very appealing, you know, and even to the point where at dinner one night, I was like, you know, Christie, I think it was me and Lando and Christie, I was like, you know, I’m I’m really thinking about starting to journal. I uh Rhett and I were talking about it today and Christiey’s like, “I’ve been talking to you about that for years and now Rhett’s going to talk to you about it and you’re going to do it.” And I’m like, “Uh, Christie, no. We were just talking about it today, so it’s on my mind.” But it brought back all the great conversations that we had about it. And by the way, >> I still haven’t done it. And fine, I’m not going to do it. >> Oh, you did that? >> Yeah. You did some demand avoidance >> and then demand avoidance. Oh, and then what I did was not do it. But so it is it is very appealing. >> I have been talking to your wife about this. You know, >> I think No, I don’t know that. >> Not about you. Me and your wife have been talking about journaling. >> Great. You can be friends with a woman >> and stationary and pens. >> Hold on. >> Your wife and I might go to a pen convention together, just so you know. And we might be in an elevator alone. >> Great. I’m fine with that. I fully trust her. >> Oh, what what about me? But so, let’s talk about the mechanics of how difficult it is for me to give this a shot. And I’m just going to throw out why I haven’t done it, even though I thought I decided I was going to do it, but then I haven’t. >> Here’s what I’ve thought. And I I don’t know if I’m curious if if if you had like what motivated you to start, but we’re so different in this way. I I think for me, I was like, you know what? I feel like I have to really work up and it has to be a big decision because I have a lot to overcome. So, I’m like I do like the idea of when I’m in the bed just starting to journal >> on your hand just write >> starting to write stuff down >> with a Sharpie. >> And I have a I have a couple of things that I can write on and I have a pen that I like. I have pencils that Christy gave me. if you need any advice there. >> There was No, there was, you know, she gave me these special pencils because she’s, you know what, I think maybe you would like to sketch. >> Mhm. Yeah. >> Because I started sketching some stuff. >> Yeah. And you can sketch in the journal. >> So then, yeah, I’m like, so, okay, maybe this will unlock it. I’m not going to be writing words. I’m going to be sketching things like one of those like a child and like a child therapist exercise or something. I don’t know. like I’m sketch not I’m sketching my anger or I’m just doodling. I don’t know just as an outlet. I was like maybe that’ll be my gateway to journaling. I’ll just doodle. But then I’m like no I’m inspired to actually write. I like the idea of at the end of the day just jotting down things that happen in the day. It seems like that was a very low barrier to entry to then being able to get to more of this higher processing stuff that you’re talking about, which is appealing, but I’m trying to make it e an easy entry. Yeah. >> But I still haven’t done it because when I get in the bed, >> you fall asleep >> like a champ. And that’s my coping mechanism. >> Can I Can I give you a tip? Can I give you a suggestion? Are you open to a suggestion? >> Yes. Uh you have a giant bedroom. >> Like I I’ve only been in there a couple of times. >> Uh but it’s so big. >> Yeah. >> There’s other there’s a seating area in your bedroom. >> We could open a hostel up there. >> Yeah. Um like we thought that >> we could have Europeans and bunks. >> We thought that Trent’s bedroom in high school was so big. We couldn’t believe it cuz my bedroom in high school and my entire life until I left home was 8 by 10 ft. >> Yeah. And the and half the roof angled down. >> Yeah. Right. I couldn’t even stand up in 40% of it. I had to lay down in most of it. >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> And I was 6’4 in eighth grade. >> Yes. >> 8 by 10. >> Go ahead. >> Okay. Hamilton. >> Oh, I said I said his whole name. >> What are you saying? >> Trent’s bedroom was so big. Yours is four times the size of Trent’s bedroom. You better go. >> Has a fireplace in it. Has a seating area. >> Yeah. Um, >> you want me to sit down there before I get into bed? >> Yes. You need like you if when you get into bed. >> Oh. Oh, you like candle light. I could be like >> Well, you know what I’m think Thomas Jefferson or something? >> Do you know what I’m thinking about doing? >> Um, Jesse has a little desk in our bedroom. Our bedroom is not as big as your bedroom. >> Hope. >> Regrettably. >> Nope. Um, it has a little desk that she that is like uh she uses a little bit, but it’s mostly decorative and it’s not big enough for me. I’m a big man. I would like to have a bigger desk so that because I sit down at night and I will write. I need a surface. It’s hard for me to like sit down. I don’t know if you can just sit down on a couch and write. You need a place to do the writing. And I think your bedroom is perfect because you’re winding down and you’re just going I’m going to go over here. Here’s my journal. I’m going to write the thing. Whatever it is, I’m going to sketch my anger. I’m going to write the things that happened to me today. >> Mostly dicks >> and dick. Draw dicks. Draw a bunch of dicks >> with stuff coming out of them >> like like >> going on going on the jackets >> like Johnny Treehorn or whatever his name is Big Blowski. >> Yes, >> that is so great. He’s like, “Oh, I’m going to do I’m going to do some investigation. >> You’re going to draw Calvin and Hobs pissing on stuff.” Um, you uh do do whatever you want to. And also it doesn’t I know you’re so routine oriented that that’s why I’m suggesting that hey just I’m going to and but don’t be upset yourself if you don’t if you don’t do it because it’s like it’s not part of my routine. I’m not doing it every single night and I’ve got my like notebook in my pocket that I’m writing stuff in and I’ll go days without doing that. But it’s just it’s something that I keep returning to >> and then you’ll start finding things. This is crazy. I like I you know I write songs but one of the things that I have found recently is that if I write something like in my journal notebook that’s this is what’s happening to me right now. This is what I’m thinking about. This is what I’m processing. I have found myself four or five times now closing a journal entry by writing a poem that doesn’t rhyme. um that captures the what I’m feeling about that because there’s something about and I’ve never been into poetry. I haven’t I don’t I don’t have like a book of poems that I actually read. There’s maybe like one on a shelf to make people think I would read poetry. >> It’s just it’s by the way it’s just like you to not have any point of reference for poetry and then to just start writing poetry. >> Well, well, >> but I that’s good. But no, what I’m saying is that by poet what I mean by that is that it is the again I’ve never I was an engineer so I never took any classes on this. I don’t know what it is. It’s just it’s written in a way that is poetic and isn’t just like pros. >> Yeah, I I get And so you end up saying things in a way that like captures it might be like I’m thinking about this person right now that offended me. >> Mhm. >> And I’m writing a poem to them or I’m thinking about this person that I just met and I don’t know what I or I’m thinking about this thing that just happened that I feel like is going to be formative. And that has been this and then I just go to bed after that. And there’s something about processing it to that level. And again, I’m not writing a poem every night. And let me be I would never share any of these poems with anybody. They’re not good. It’s not artful. It’s just literally for my just for me and just for processing something. >> Okay. >> And and so you might find that drawing dicks is that for you, >> whatever it is, I’m just saying that it I think it could be transformative. >> I have this thing. Yeah, definitely. Back to me. >> Yeah. Um, I’m so like I’ve thought once I’m like I I found myself thinking, well, I’m going to start this, but I have to really like the first one has got to be a good one. >> No, it just like it’s like if I’m just writing out what happened in the day, it’s like I have to be motivated. It has to be something in that day that motivates me to like now this I’m breaking the >> I think you should have a dick on the first page. I think you should commit right now that the first page is just a dick. Maybe the first three pages. >> That brings me Yes. Like across three page, you turn more of it. More of it. >> So when people open it up, they’re like, “This is a dick book, >> you know, then they don’t keep going and digging.” >> Well, that’s a good point because that is my second thing is I’ve always first of all, the Well, let me just state it this way. I find myself without any rational engagement being self-conscious about somebody reading it. >> Yeah. And I don’t want to put a lock on it. And I >> somebody will read it one day, but you’ll be dead probably or you’ll have lost your lost your notebook. >> I just don’t feel like I don’t know. You know, it’s like one of the kids comes up there. >> I don’t want it to seem like I don’t trust my kids. >> Put a dick on the cover. They’ll never open that. So the first three pages are just one long dick and then after that everyone’s repulsed. >> I I love how it’s just a long dick. I love how it’s just one long dick that goes across two pages and then wraps around the third page. >> Yeah. >> Then people are going to be I got to follow this dick. No, you don’t want to do that. >> How long does the dick go? >> Dick is contained to a page and lots of little dicks, too. There’s a big dick page. There’s a little dick page. You know, there’s all kind. It’s whatever you want it to be. The dick pages by link Neil. >> I I think those are really my only hangups. >> You can’t Yeah. >> Oh. Oh, here’s another one. >> I’m not good at drawing dicks. I don’t know how to do it really. >> I I’ve never I very rarely have done it, if ever. But it feels like it’d be easy. I mean, you know, I got one. >> Yeah, I could draw my own dick. I could just look down and I’m Every night I’m every night I’m trying to get better at Obviously a man drawing his own dick because it’s always from the top down. >> Right. Yeah. It looks like Well, that’s the edge of the desk. >> I see a I see a little bit a belly button right above it. >> What’s going on there? >> That’s what All right. So, that’s what I’m doing. I’m so excited now. >> I see the beginning of two thighs. >> I >> You can’t be worried about people reading it. >> Yeah, I can’t. And also, what the hell? Who cares? Like if they do read it if people read what I have written. >> Yeah. I don’t I don’t It’s not that >> Think about the stuff we talk about on this podcast. I mean like I I don’t know. There’s >> it’s not that I want to keep something from Christy, but I don’t want her to read it. >> Okay. >> I mean, you don’t want Jesse to read it, right? Your your journal, do you? >> No. But if she did, it wouldn’t be the end of the world. I will say when I have something to write about that is literally like I don’t want anyone to ever read what I’m writing right now. I do that as a locked note on my computer. There are I there’s a few of those like about the crimes that I’ve committed that I’ll never tell anybody about. >> I’m no there is actually nothing that I’m thinking about writing down. It’s just the idea of privacy. >> I I think that it has nothing to do with secrets or trust that that has nothing to do with it. It’s I think it’s just like the freedom like if you’re like if you’re in a space completely alone and you just want to talk out loud. >> Well, if you really want if if you’re that concerned about it and a lot of people are, they don’t. They just use they just use their computer. They just use their computer. Now, I don’t think it has the same effect, but I think but I think it’s way better than doing nothing. >> Journaling on a computer. >> I don’t know. It’s way better. >> I don’t like, you know, I don’t like computers. >> You don’t even use a laptop anymore. I don’t You’ve been writing emails and notes and stuff just on a phone. And I don’t understand how you are getting. >> I’m done with that. I’m I’m starting to dictate, but when nobody’s around. So now I have to go to secret soundproof places to just say a little something into my phone. >> Okay. So uh yeah, I just think you got Yeah, you got to get over those things. Draw a couple of dicks and get over it. >> I don’t I don’t know that you fully unlocked it for me, but >> I’ll >> Or just get a lock. Get a get a pretty little fuzzy little lock on your diary. >> Blank stick diary. Let’s answer this last question about animals. >> Hey Rhett. Hey Link. Longtime listener and viewer. Uh just got a question for you guys. Uh if human beings were to disappear off the face of the earth tomorrow, uh what animal would you like to see take our place? Now they have access to all our technology that stays around. Uh yeah, that’s it. Thanks, guys. All right. H >> I have a strong perspective on this. >> Okay. >> A a what I believe to be wellreasoned. >> This jogs a memory for me. I have to >> and I’m a bit adamant about this. >> Okay. >> And I also believe that this is entirely possible when we go extinct. >> Okay. I’m I’m going to listen to you. Um, it should not be another mamlian species. >> We have proven we have proven that we are not that we don’t have what it takes. >> We’re too hairy. We got too much milk. >> Well, the milk and the meat and the hair are u maybe part of it. But um we are actively proving right now that we do not have what it takes to sustain ourselves. I mean I don’t know. I try it. >> I try to be optimistic but >> seems like we’re tank. >> God, it’s hard to be optimistic right now. Like >> yeah, >> literally this morning. >> Okay. Yeah. literally this morning and when I’m, you know, I watch YouTube videos basically every morning while I work out and stretch and whatnot and it’s mostly like very middle-aged man videos lately a lot about notebooks, >> okay, >> or some theological debate, but I also tap into the world of uh, you know, the latest in the AI stuff. And it’s just like literally the title and the thumbnails now are just we’re like that’s the that’s what we’re that’s what is in the we’re in two of two different channels. >> Can you click on this stuff too? >> Uh I clicked on one and then I didn’t click on the other and I didn’t keep watching the first one. But >> if I’m going to click on that, it better be porn. >> We different. >> Uh cuz if you just click on two people who just that’s not as fun. We just now we’re smoking a cigarette. Um, but we have proven that something about the nature of our evolution and our individualism and our tribalism has gotten in the way of us being able to sustain ourselves beyond what’s happening right now. And it certainly seems like we we’re destroying the world. we are completely divided, whatever. Maybe that maybe the maybe it’s going to be a utopia and we’re going to get through the other side. But it certainly seems like we’re just going to destroy ourselves and most of the people who are like experts in this and you know understand human history and anthropology or like a thousand years from now the chances that we are still around in anything any way, shape or form like we are, it’s just very very low. So birds. >> No. >> So >> insects. Insects without a doubt. >> Now, first of all, >> insects. That’s kind of broad. Maybe you just say ants. >> Well, >> that’s my answer. >> I’m going to I’m not going to commit to what species it should be or could be or will be. But here’s the thing. Here’s the advantage that they have over us is that they have evolved to be a social species in a way that we’re technically more social, right? In terms of the prefrontal cortex and all this stuff and our way that we connect with each other on a deeply human level. >> Yeah. But you’re talking about >> but >> cooperation. the level of cooperation, the fact that ants, as an example, >> can make a damn raft. >> They will turn into something that has a collective benefit and they will just do it and they will sacrifice themselves. We see self-sacrifice as this incredible virtue that is so rare that if somebody does it, we like invent a religion around them, you know. Uh it’s a r it’s a rarity. It’s it’s not it’s it’s not a it’s not actually the norm. And so I think that the only thing that’s going to survive long term is going to be something where the where and again I’m not trying to make a political statement about this, but I just think that something where the collective is actually valued in the and us as a species is the thing like us our connection with each other and the connection with the earth. Somebody’s got to value that to a degree that it’s just not about what I can get and how I can take mine and keep mine. And like that’s that’s what got us to this place and that’s what’s going to cause us to fall apart. So, it’s got to be a species that is more interdependent than than we are. And I think all mammals will inevitably evolve to a place where they get they be they get too individualistic. That’s my theory. Like cuz I would say dolphins a they don’t have thumbs. They’re stuck in the water. And you know what? Everybody thinks they’re they’re so great and they’re so sweet, but have you but you have seen what the what some of these horny dolphins will try to do to a human woman? >> They do. >> I haven’t seen it. >> They do not ask for consent. So they might be way more intelligent than we understand, but I think dolphins can be [ ] Whales are my favorite animal. >> I think they they can be [ __ ] My answer is ants. >> Okay. >> And I was telling you about that book that I read or listened to. I’m trying to figure out what it’s called. And the one that’s coming up is called Of Ants and Dinosaurs, but that’s not what it was called. But this is Yeah, this is uh this is it. The guy who wrote three body problem wrote of ants and dinosaurs. >> Oh yeah, you told me about it. a satirical fable, political allegory. >> I need to put it on my reading list. No. >> Uh, it’s it’s fun. It’s quick. Um, but it’s really it’s like ants in a world where dinosaurs and ants evolved and then had to work together to build like well competing and cooperative civilizations. >> Yep. It was it was u it’s it’s a fun quick listen. >> So I do think based on all of the specifics of that, I’m going with ants. Definitely not dinosaurs. >> Oh no, not dinosaurs. >> Dinosaurs are No. No way. No way. Or maybe just butterflies. Beautiful. Wispy, transformative. >> You can’t have that many butterflies. You ever been to a butterfly museum? >> Yeah. >> It feels cool at the beginning and then it gets a little claustrophobic. Yeah, but you’re not there, >> huh? It’s a beautiful world for us not to be a part of it. Okay, thanks for hanging with us. I hope that we’ve brightened your night or your day. And you know what? Take care of yourself. Keep on tapping. >> Keep on tap. Talk to you next week. >> Hi, Rhett and Link. My name is Alex and I just wanted to let you guys know uh mostly Rhett but both of you that I’m getting married soon and I’ve put the James and the Shame lyrics from where we’re going and sure thing in my vows because you guys have meant a whole lot to our relationship. We started uh hanging out more because we both watched you and we both listened to your music. Um, and just thank you for bringing me closer to my 2B husband. Bye. >> Watch the new episode of Wonderhole season 2 now on the Ratin Link YouTube channel.